And those ideas still stick around in fiction today. How often have you seen a "warrior race" or "warrior culture" pop up in sci fi or fantasy? It's the same thing, just a different coat of paint (mostly because you need a group of locals to be your enforcers because the more "servile races" have this nasty habit of rebelling otherwise).
Slight difference.

To an extent, there are people who identify themselves, or their own ancestors, as "warrior races." Virtually no one identifies themselves or their ancestors as "servant races."

So the idea of warrior cultures would probably persist separately from the idea of "servant races," if only because people have an ability to pat themselves on the back for being badass that's separate from their ability to think others are rightfully their slaves.

So, basically, I find it completely BS that this group are actually a "servant race" and have just been raised and conditioned to think so. Good thing is, breaking cult conditioning is a well trodden path that we can learn from.
It does seem unlikely that whoever engineered them actually knew enough about psychology, genetics, neurology, and so on to create a strain of people who actually had an inclination to servitude stronger than whatever would have been beaten into them by conditioning.

Even if there's a way to do it by shaping nature rather than by evil nurture, this group almost certainly isn't an example of that.

How hard would it be to get the soviet union to allow passage for a scambled iron tiger backed rescue force to be rushed to the nearest communist military base (or German if the Germans agree to it) to be ready to launch a counter attack against any and all genocide attempts?
Do we do something that ambitious for every other ethnic group hypothetically threatened with genocide around the world, or is it just this one that merits our being willing to take the risk of starting a nuclear war by sending a sizeable military force across the border between the Warsaw Pact and NATO?
 
Do we do something that ambitious for every other ethnic group hypothetically threatened with genocide around the world, or is it just this one that merits our being willing to take the risk of starting a nuclear war by sending a sizeable military force across the border between the Warsaw Pact and NATO?
is it an over reaction? yes but its born of the implications others have mentioned mentioned: someone actually up and created a slave race. it has to be made clear that any articial intellgant species gets full rights because otherwise the corps or some other group will start trying to mass produce obeident workers or the fundies will emboledened to kill anyone who doesn't match their definine of baseline.
 
I dunno. "Create a slave race" sounds like a decade-plus-long project; it's not something that's going to start happening over the weekend no matter what corporate incentives exist. The whole world would get involved almost by default, among other things because if corporations are making replicants for slavery, they're going to want to sell those replicants' labor, which means they have to publicize that they're doing it.

And tiny Guangchou doesn't have the muscle to enforce some kind of "Monroe Doctrine" here anyway. If we assert the right to demand that nobody in the world do things we don't like to artificially created demihumans, a bunch of people will just say "you and what army?" On the strategic level, we have no way to answer that question, even with Iron Tigers.

If we want to leverage our burning fiery conviction that freedom is the right of all sentient beings, regardless of how hairy they are, we need to do that through diplomatic circles, not by gunboat diplomacy focused on the purely hypothetical possibility that the Germans will decide to start shooting all the wolfmen when they don't seem to be particularly interested in doing so.
 
Even if our pov character is screaming, it might be best to do it internally like with the US ship, as that set a precedent we can use.

Edit: I mean how we played it off in a favorable way as a littering thing, we can use similar logic to make the extremist look silly, protect the fluffy, and avoid entanglements.
 
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So, China is finally going to suffer their 'interesting times' curse themselves, a lot of military powers are panicking at the Iron Tigers, and terrifying amounts of unrest is occurring worldwide due to Humanities new neighbors.

Definitely an incredible update.
 
Maybe our glorious leader should offer to house the refugees and adopt one of the younger wolfkind as his child? Adopting a child like that is mostly a publicity stunt but public acceptance of a minority by a personality that most people in Guangchou admire will have a positive effect on their social acceptance.

I would also like to note that there doesn't seem to be any mention of female wolfkind. Are they sterile? Maybe all of them are test tube babies which is another problem someone would have to solve.​
 
Hey yo wtf, I was rereading the quest again when I found this
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>Well, for that to happen, I'd need to know the geocoordinates of the lab my species had been crafted within, which is still classified. : P

in the Iwo Jima crisis. Just wild to me that we were directly told there would be wolf people created and I didn't think that was what what was going on.
 
Despair, Hope And Guangchou Being Horny
Jungming stares at the television screen. Ripped away from the utopia of his home to face the horrors of the greater world. Not to say there aren't small horrors still facing his nation, but the depths that humanity is willing to plunge elsewhere weighs heavy on his mind when he allows himself to think of them. Heavy in a form of almost righteous rage. He hears the statements of the German Government, how they are not willing to genocide these... people, their fellow human beings. Jungming will not stoop lower than calling them at least his brothers and sisters. But he knows that Western Germany is not fully free. Either domestically or internationally. The USA and its genocidal overtures dangerously point towards doing something drastic and irreversible. China and the USSR are quiet, dealing with internal problems that Jungming could only guess at, and that made Jungming feel alone. In a world full of cruelty and fear towards the people he was watching on the television screen.

He sat there watching the images come in. He saw children playing in dirt behind barbed wire, adults communicating with the guards for supplies they needed, crowds of journalists giving absolutely no sense of dignity to those within the... might as well call it what it is... concentration camp. Then suddenly, images in Jungmings mind rolled in, memories from a decade or more ago. Of his fathers reeducation camps, of children playing in dirt, of adults trying to find a guard sympathetic enough to spare food for a skeletal child, of everyone knowing what is going on but nobody stopping it in fear of being put into one of the camps. They say history does not repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.

Jungming thinks about Mai, currently off somewhere in the country attempting to get her Youth Scouts up and running. Jungming was unsure of how to break the news. He looks down to two of his youngest in his arms, unaware of how drastic of a change this news is to the world. To them, seeing people with fur and snouts might be the most natural thing in the world, if such people are alive when his children grow up. He glanced back at the television, they were playing back the same picture of the children playing in the dirt, and his heart almost seized in his chest. Sometimes the cruelty of man knows no depths, but sometimes, sometimes, compassion can reach deeper.

[][Jungming - Traits: Trusting, Idealist, Vengeful] A speech, for all humanities to hear. One calling for an understanding, Pandora's Box once opened can not be shut as the westerner says, but as they say in Guangchou, balance is needed. A balance between love and compassion to those willed into this world against their will. Their existence is not the fault of their own, these Homo Lupus. Whether it was some form of divine intervention from god, gods, spirits, or man does not matter. These people exist. They love and worry the same as any of us. If the world can not accept that, then Guangchou can accept that. We are, if nothing else, a nation of love. One which has toiled endlessly to ensure the world can be a better place, one free of the deranged capitalist, or the homicidal dictator. Send us your "abominations" let us take in your monsters and demons. We will accept them as our own blood, our brothers and sisters. Communism is eternal and endless, and so is our love.


The images shocked people, but did it scare them? The people of Guangchou have been shocked many times in the last decade. From their great leader closing down rotten institutions of his father, to a tsunami, to what the tsunami washed upon their shores, to walking robots traversing their countryside. Life in this country was strange and shocking. Why not another shock to the pile as one says.

A mother sits in a bar, nursing a beer after a shift watching the television. She sees the images, the camps, the children, and remembers her time in a reeducation camp for her views. She thinks of her child and how much he is her world. And as she gets drunk, she gets angry. Angry that the world dares be afraid of children enough to lock them in a cage like an animal. An animal can not talk, it can not play with toys, it does not run and hug its mother afraid of television crews breathing down its neck. No, those are people on the screen, and as she gets drunker, and more news of reactions from the capitalists roll in, the anger turns to despair, until she is cut off and sent home to hug her child and appreciate that he will not have to live in a cage like she did.

A man sits in a clinic, manning the counter. A television plays in the corner. The entire waiting room sits, transfixed to the images and words coming out of it. Heated discussions start, stop, and start again in rapid succession. Are they human? What is a human? Are they apart of Humanity? Can there be multiple humanities? Is this what it means to play god? Are some of Communisms teachings not that man can be a god over nature? Is that revisionism? Do we need to call the police to stop this ideological debate? The arguments continue on and on, and the man at the counter hears all of it in a jumbled mess. He thinks back to his medical knowledge, the bare bones stuff they give to the receptionists of anatomy and genealogy. How hard it must have been to give a human fur let alone the other features he is seeing. These creatures may be apart of humanity, but how much pain and suffering had to happen to make them? What monstrous methods were used to build these people from scratch? Did these people only know of a world of cages and sterile walls? There must be something that can be done for them...

A person of indeterminate gender sits in the Guangchou Institute of Sexual Science. Listening to the radio as descriptions and press releases of the situation come in. The person gets excited. What new science this must bring! What new anatomy there is to study! They must invite one of these Homo Lupus over, there are so many questions. If the Lupine's are human then they can love as they can, but do they love differently? Were their minds altered by the genetic expression of snouts and fur resulting in different expressions of companionship? Could this lead to new kinks? Would new sex safety tips need to be formed? Did STD's still transfer easily? Were their genitalia human shaped or canine shaped? Did Guangchou need to start a new assembly line of special form condoms? All these and more raced through their head at a million miles per hour, and they started jotting down notes.

[][Guangchou People] Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, for we are the People of The Most Glorious Democratic People's Republic of Guangchou, Light of All Nations, Defender of ALL Humanities, and Paradise on Earth, and we accept you as you are.
 
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in the Iwo Jima crisis. Just wild to me that we were directly told there would be wolf people created and I didn't think that was what what was going on.
Yeah at the time i thought it was fairly obvious but it's but it's interesting seeing that people missed that line.

Speaking of, I wonder what everyones thoughts are on the civil war that's about to happen in china? We're kind of not talking about that because of this whole Homo Lupus shenanigans.

(double posting in case my above post counts as an omake or something sorry)
 
I think I preferred the visceral momentary horror of surprise violent werewolf to the "the monster is not the big furry being which evokes ancestral fear of large canids which could shred you in moments...but the people who made and relentlessly abused them" horror of the atrocities humanity is able to perform.
 
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I think I preferred the visceral momentary horror of werewolf to the "the monster is not the big furry being but the people who made and relentlessly abused them" horror of the atrocities humanity is able to perform.
That wasn't even the point of my piece but okay.

edit: Also i'm a furry so this doesn't elicit any horror whatsoever from me. This is something to be celebrated!
 
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That wasn't even the point of my piece but okay.

edit: Also i'm a furry so this doesn't elicit any horror whatsoever from me. This is something to be celebrated!
More a commentary on the whole thing. Edit: Edited my initial post to provide a bit more clarity in terms of what way this could generate fear / horror.

Our goofy mobster movie will have to wait.

I have a pitch for a Frankenstein movie focusing on Victor as the monster and playing into Mary Shelley's vision of the created being just wanting connection and to be loved.
 
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Thinking about some of this talk. I can't help but think about the possibility of things possibly going awry Freefall style. I mean, trying to create a 'servant race' is likely kinda very hard, especially with the likely goals the words would represent. Psychology is hard indeed.
 
How hard is China going to explode this time and how much will we have to figure out how to make it sort itself because both signs are going to be calling for tiger support?
 
"Wolf people? Where are the catgirls!? I WAS PROMISED CATGIRLS!!!"

- Wei Jungmin, 1980

Edit: @HeroCooky we demand what was promised! :V
Give it 20-30 years before you get 'em.

Until then, you will have to do with legal doggos. Big Sad.:(
Ok, first, @HeroCooky, I am begging you, please scrub the technical information from the mecha descriptions. I read '120 guided missiles' and my eyes started to bleed a little. The closest thing we made to a missile tank IRL was the 35 tonne IT-1, which held a total of 16 ATGMs (1 in the launcher, 15 in the mag). The M1134 carried 12. There are other ATGM tank destroyers (and these were all tank destroyers) that all carried around that. To carry 120 ATGMs would require a massive platform that would be easily detected and neutralized. It really needs to be smaller to be able to do its job.
You'll be glad to know that the number was supposed to be 12, not ten times that number.
What's all this worry bout the furries not liking communist Guangchou? That's bullshit. I would argue that as communists we have no shortage of neverending labor and national projects they can toil over.

As for this desire of wanting to be oppressed or submitting to some superior being, we got that too! Guangchou's Institute of Sexual Sciences has the latest innovations in cutting edge BDSM technologies and practices to serve all of Guangchou's kinky needs! :V
Joke answer: "This is going to demolish the already tenuous top:bottom ratio!"
I'd bonk both of you with the "No Horni" bat, but you'd probably like that, wouldn't you?
Maybe our glorious leader should offer to house the refugees and adopt one of the younger wolfkind as his child? Adopting a child like that is mostly a publicity stunt but public acceptance of a minority by a personality that most people in Guangchou admire will have a positive effect on their social acceptance.

I would also like to note that there doesn't seem to be any mention of female wolfkind. Are they sterile? Maybe all of them are test tube babies which is another problem someone would have to solve.​
I should note that there are only 927 Wolfsmenschen in total, with 820 being children under 7.

Also, nobody is getting any of 'em, the German Army will shoot anyone trying to get to them that isn't authorized, and its government will categorily refuse to hand any over, for any reason.
Hey yo wtf, I was rereading the quest again when I found this
>@FLUFFYSNUGLE
>Free User
>Reply To ZenWeiBestWei
>Well, for that to happen, I'd need to know the geocoordinates of the lab my species had been crafted within, which is still classified. : P

in the Iwo Jima crisis. Just wild to me that we were directly told there would be wolf people created and I didn't think that was what what was going on.
My plans are manifold, multi-faceted, wide-spread, and plain to see for all.
A person of indeterminate gender sits in the Guangchou Institute of Sexual Science. Listening to the radio as descriptions and press releases of the situation come in. The person gets excited. What new science this must bring! What new anatomy there is to study! They must invite one of these Homo Lupus over, there are so many questions. If the Lupine's are human then they can love as they can, but do they love differently? Were their minds altered by the genetic expression of snouts and fur resulting in different expressions of companionship? Could this lead to new kinks? Would new sex safety tips need to be formed? Did STD's still transfer easily? Were their genitalia human shaped or canine shaped? Did Guangchou need to start a new assembly line of special form condoms? All these and more raced through their head at a million miles per hour, and they started jotting down notes.
Cease your horni posting at once!

And also:
[] Never Again! Never again, never again...
[] Article 1 of the German Constitution: Human Dignity Is Inviolable
[] Wolfskinder are still children
How hard is China going to explode this time and how much will we have to figure out how to make it sort itself because both signs are going to be calling for tiger support?
Yes and depending on your wants.
 
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And also:
[] Never Again! Never again, never again...
[] Article 1 of the German Constitution: Human Dignity Is Inviolable
[] Wolfskinder are still children
Aw shoot I'm unsure which one I want to choose. This is my first omake for the quest so before I do, question, are any of these bad paths? Or are they all boons for my effort? If so,
[] Never Again! Never again, never again...

If not all are boons...
[] Article 1 of the German Constitution: Human Dignity Is Inviolable
 
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I mean, tracing back to the West German Constitution of 1949, "Human Dignity is Inviolable" is one of their core tenets.

Which means these people have been knowingly violating that, creating what they called an "inferior race".

No wonder this is going to be such a pain point on the German psyche: they basically said "never again" and then some fucking group of maniacs went and fucking did something unthinkably inhumane again. At least they had to do it secretly this time but...

I'm going to put together my Frankenstein: Monster Maker (working title, leading people to think it's about the creation as monster but ultimately setting up the jerkass creator as the 'real' monster) proposal for the Guangchou Cinema Committee and see what can be done to maximize sympathy for the creation. Maybe deliberately soften the ending like Disney did with Tarzan and have the villagers radically choose to accept him.

EDIT: aaand I got ninja'd by the QM's boon titles.
 
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Aw shoot I'm unsure which one I want to choose. This is my first omake for the quest so before I do, question, are any of these bad paths? Or are they all boons for my effort? If so,
[X] Never Again! Never again, never again...

If not all are boons...
[X] Article 1 of the German Constitution: Human Dignity Is Inviolable
All of them are boons, but in very different directions. Culture, Law, Society.
Which means these people have been knowingly violating that, creating what they called an "inferior race".
Fun Fact: The group that did that operated while under the Nazi Regime, and their operation has been known to select people (with increasing numbers before full disclosure to the entire government+parties about a year ago) for about seven years.
 
Fun Fact: The group that did that operated while under the Nazi Regime, and their operation has been known to select people (with increasing numbers before full disclosure to the entire government+parties about a year ago) for about seven years.
And if I remember correctly, the original intention, at least 'officially' was disposable elite shocktroops for the Nazis...

Thank god for the change of management.
 
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