Taking the Mickey: A Save Disney Quest

-[x] Hollywood Studios. Simple, clean, all parties can agree on this.

-[x] Have an Opening Day Ceremony. This will take an action next turn, but you might be able to see if you can't get Elizabeth on semi-permanent retainer. She's done an outstanding job on this, and having her around for some other projects would be a major help
 
-{X*} Finish Tomorrow's Tomorrowland, by the end of 1986
-{X} Expand the imagineering department, by the end of 1986
-{X} See about that Nintendo thing, by the end of 1986

All things considered this turn went really well. We even managed to get one of the major board goals out of the way!

Next turn we'll probably want to take the clean cars, so that they're ready before the big reopening.

I ask you people: Do we really need THREE new hotels at groundbreaking THIS year? That's a lot of actions, friends. I want to learn French, I want hurricane proofing, I want sooooo many other things.....
Board likes us plenty already. I want to keep at the conservation stuff and have some more action freedom... Ah heck, if people disagree they disagree.

I wouldn't be against ignoring the board goals IF they asked us something impossible or stupid, but up to this point the goals they gave us have been reasonable.

No reason to ignore them yet, and reducing the rep bonus minimum score is always good. I really want to lower the "exploding dice" bonus rep requirement to 50 (originally it was 100, 90 at the start of the turn, now it should be 80 or 85 depending on how the 20 extra points we gained this turn are shared between the lowered reqs)

In this specific case the hotel goals make sense. We're building a new park, we're expanding and renovating a lot of things, we built the disney marketplace... it only makes sense to build some more hotels to REALLY take advantage of it. We're a company, we DO want that kind of money.

we'll probably be a bit constrained next turn too, but after that we should have more freedom. At least we're also getting a new action for the ready creek, that should help deal with the hotels
 
-[x] Universal/Disney Studios. Just throw them a bone. You're both going to make enough money off this that it won't matter.
-[x] Marty will be at the Reedy Creek Improvement District
-[x] Deluxe, needs 20 successes. You want to pull out all the stops, and make the next Contemporary or Polynesian. Construction DC is 20 per on Deluxe hotels.
-[x] Have an Opening Day Ceremony. This will take an action next turn, but you might be able to see if you can't get Elizabeth on semi-permanent retainer. She's done an outstanding job on this, and having her around for some other projects would be a major help
 
Yes, I'm aware of that. However, if a certain part that took time to make broke (when some outside engineers who can't be expected to know how delicate some of those parts can be happen to be touring the facility) before a scheduled launch during a freak cold snap and happened to delay the launch by a couple of days, well, sometimes things happen like that, right?
In other words, our guys didn't actually break anything the guys at NASA that knew what the hell they're doing used it as an excuse to get things done and work around their bosses' idiocy.
 
soo... quick count of how many actions are pretty much already decided for next turn.

We should have 17 actions next turn. Ignoring for the moment how some actions must be used on specific categories, we have

board goals and opening of the new hotel:

-[] The Living Seas (pavillion 1)

-[] Mind and Body (pavillion 2)

-[] A New Hotel (2 of 3)

Opening the completed hotel

(hotel 1 of 3)

-[] Continue Planning A New Gate (Day In the Movies):

-[] Continue Planning a New Resort (Lille, France):

check Disney Store

-[] Take a Vacation: with the reduced stress it can probably wait for the next turn.

TOT: 9 actions. THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH MUST TAKE (except maybe the vacation, so we can lower that to 8)

better sooner than later

-[] Clean Cars: (after the park reopens it should get harder. might synergize with go greener if we can afford it)

-[] Go Greener (synergizes with a lot of other things, including possible disney channel options and clean cars)

-[] The Real EPCOT (we have to start it at some point. I could accept delaying it one more turn, but not more)

-[] Learn French (Basic):

-[] Office Politics (possibly even x2). The chance for more advisors is ALWAYS good.

-[] Set Up Focus Groups (not really urgent, we already the answers are ALL positive right now)

probably one or two nintendo actions

bonus actions we have to spend in their categories (with no board goal or urgent actions there)

one for walt disney world: magic kingdom probably -[] Flights of the Future, Flights of Fantasy or -[] Hydrophobia (unless we get something new)

two for Disney movie studios

zero for disney channel, but we might want to use an action here, just to be on the safe side. Maybe -[] A Message of Conservation if we're taking go greener to synergize, or -[] A Look At Disney if not for the extra park draw and the +5 to park planning. getting more + to rolls is always good after all, and we DO have a new hotel for our guests after all. the options that give "points" for the disney channel are good too.

Ready Creek: 2 bonus options, we can use them on goals. Most of our goals are in this category actually.



...IF offices are not on fire again we might actually have a bit more of freedom next turn!
 
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Reedy Creek's [] Public Transit would be good too. Shuttle buses and such. The monorail doesn't reach everywhere yet, does it? And buses are cheaper than rail.

Electric buses are probably a decade out for now tho.
 
Reedy Creek's [] Public Transit would be good too. Shuttle buses and such. The monorail doesn't reach everywhere yet, does it? And buses are cheaper than rail.

Electric buses are probably a decade out for now tho.
Actually, the Monorail is getting to a lot of places. Everything around Seven Seas Lagoon has a stop right now, and the Monorail line goes straight to Disney Marketplace and Animation adventures which is on the extreme south edge of the park. As long as we build along existing lines... we will probably be okay, but bus renovations are essential.
 
soo... quick count of how many actions are pretty much already decided for next turn.

We should have 17 actions next turn. Ignoring for the moment how some actions must be used on specific categories, we have

board goals and opening of the new hotel:

-[] The Living Seas (pavillion 1)

-[] Mind and Body (pavillion 2)

-[] A New Hotel (2 of 3)

Opening the completed hotel

(hotel 1 of 3)

-[] Continue Planning A New Gate (Day In the Movies):

-[] Continue Planning a New Resort (Lille, France):

check Disney Store

-[] Take a Vacation: with the reduced stress it can probably wait for the next turn.

TOT: 9 actions. THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH MUST TAKE (except maybe the vacation, so we can lower that to 8)

better sooner than later

-[] Clean Cars: (after the park reopens it should get harder. might synergize with go greener if we can afford it)

-[] Go Greener (synergizes with a lot of other things, including possible disney channel options and clean cars)

-[] The Real EPCOT (we have to start it at some point. I could accept delaying it one more turn, but not more)

-[] Learn French (Basic):

-[] Office Politics (possibly even x2). The chance for more advisors is ALWAYS good.

-[] Set Up Focus Groups (not really urgent, we already the answers are ALL positive right now)

probably one or two nintendo actions

bonus actions we have to spend in their categories (with no board goal or urgent actions there)

one for walt disney world: magic kingdom probably -[] Flights of the Future, Flights of Fantasy or -[] Hydrophobia (unless we get something new)

two for Disney movie studios

zero for disney channel, but we might want to use an action here, just to be on the safe side. Maybe -[] A Message of Conservation if we're taking go greener to synergize, or -[] A Look At Disney if not for the extra park draw and the +5 to park planning. getting more + to rolls is always good after all, and we DO have a new hotel for our guests after all. the options that give "points" for the disney channel are good too.

Ready Creek: 2 bonus options, we can use them on goals. Most of our goals are in this category actually.



...IF offices are not on fire again we might actually have a bit more of freedom next turn!
This IS a quest about being voices in the head of Michael Eisner during the Eisner era of Disney. Oh, and unlike IRL, we got Don Bluth. Which is great! ...But based on my limited knowledge of Disney history and the personalities of Bluth, Katzenberg, and especially Lasseter, I find it highly questionable that Bluth will get along with either off them. I think @One Classy Hydra puts it best:
Trying to get Roy, Don, and Katzenberg on the same page for any length of time feels like it's going to be like herding cats, but I can imagine we'll get some pretty impressive movies out of it if we pull the trick off for long enough.
So, I expect the office to always without exemption, be on fire from this point on. It's just how extreme and big the fire is will vary from quarter to quarter (turn to turn).
 
-[x] Hollywood Studios. Simple, clean, all parties can agree on this.

-[x] Have an Opening Day Ceremony. This will take an action next turn, but you might be able to see if you can't get Elizabeth on semi-permanent retainer. She's done an outstanding job on this, and having her around for some other projects would be a major help
 
-[x] Hollywood Studios. Simple, clean, all parties can agree on this.
-[x] Marty will be at the Reedy Creek Improvement District
-[x] Deluxe, needs 20 successes. You want to pull out all the stops, and make the next Contemporary or Polynesian. Construction DC is 20 per on Deluxe hotels.
-[x] Have an Opening Day Ceremony. This will take an action next turn, but you might be able to see if you can't get Elizabeth on semi-permanent retainer. She's done an outstanding job on this, and having her around for some other projects would be a major help.
 
-[] The Real EPCOT (we have to start it at some point. I could accept delaying it one more turn, but not more)

In general I agree with every part of your tentative plan... except this one. Sure it's not THAT difficult but at the same time I worry about us attempting it too soon. Imagine if we start coming up with the general plan now? So we go solar, but we still planned for petroleum cars, or older monorails. While I like the idea of building the Real EPCOT, I think we should wait until the 1990s. Imagine if we open Real EPCOT for new years celebration in 1999. The 21st century starts with a celebration in the city of the future, and integrating all the technologies we are working on.
 
I am of the opinion that we need to wait until we aren't in a state of action poverty before we begin branching off into tangential goals like that. There is too much that can go wrong and need extra actions, and I don't want to have to stop-and-start EPCOT because we loaded ourselves with too much to do.
 
In general I agree with every part of your tentative plan... except this one. Sure it's not THAT difficult but at the same time I worry about us attempting it too soon. Imagine if we start coming up with the general plan now? So we go solar, but we still planned for petroleum cars, or older monorails. While I like the idea of building the Real EPCOT, I think we should wait until the 1990s. Imagine if we open Real EPCOT for new years celebration in 1999. The 21st century starts with a celebration in the city of the future, and integrating all the technologies we are working on.
How long do you think it will take to build? Planning alone could easily take us till 93/94 and who knows how long construction could take. Like, if we wanna open on the millennium we should take our time with the finishing stages rather than trying to plan ahead.

I am of the opinion that we need to wait until we aren't in a state of action poverty before we begin branching off into tangential goals like that. There is too much that can go wrong and need extra actions, and I don't want to have to stop-and-start EPCOT because we loaded ourselves with too much to do.
EPCOT will take years period. The only way we're never gonna have to stop start us if we get a specialized advisor for EPCOT. We're simply never going to reach a point where we have over a decade without worry of action deprivation.
 
How long do you think it will take to build? Planning alone could easily take us till 93/94 and who knows how long construction could take. Like, if we wanna open on the millennium we should take our time with the finishing stages rather than trying to plan ahead.

It would be neat to get it down in 1998 or 1999.
 
If Eisner were to take a stab at estimating things for EPCOT based on the plans Walt had made, it'd probably look something like

Groundbreaking, Industrial Park: 75-125 successes
Groundbreaking, City Core: 75-125 successes
Groundbreaking, Green Belt: 175-225 successes

Construction, Industrial Park: 100-150 successes
Construction, City Core: 250-350 successes
Construction, Green Belt: 175-225 successes
 
EPCOT will take years period. The only way we're never gonna have to stop start us if we get a specialized advisor for EPCOT. We're simply never going to reach a point where we have over a decade without worry of action deprivation.
There is no way we can guarantee never having to stop-start, that much is true, but that is also not what I was asking for. What I am asking for is not having literally 0 room for bad rolls on anything. With our current number of actions, THAT is what starting it would leave us at - 0 room for comfort. We should have a minimum of 3 actions for non-essential actions. At our current rate of production, we currently have 1 and that would be swallowed by EPCOT if we were to start now.
 
Mmmmm yeah. If y'all want that y2k we gotta hit it fast.

There is no way we can guarantee never having to stop-start, that much is true, but that is also not what I was asking for. What I am asking for is not having literally 0 room for bad rolls on anything. With our current number of actions, THAT is what starting it would leave us at - 0 room for comfort. We should have a minimum of 3 actions for non-essential actions. At our current rate of production, we currently have 1 and that would be swallowed by EPCOT if we were to start now.
I'm sorry but we have room for non essential actions and we've been having it and that room will grow with our advisors. We've not been and likely wwont be looking down the barrel of this major crunch unless stuff goes mega wrong. Not to mention that half the "essential actions" are less essential and more time sensitive with consequences.

Oh, and that's not even starting on the fact that the sole reason for us to complete all board goals are so we can spend board approval in other places. If were on an action crunch we can cut down on board goals and cost by being thrifty with approval spending. Like, if something goes wrong and hotels get delayed past the year we're still Gucci because were doing that good.
 
If Eisner were to take a stab at estimating things for EPCOT based on the plans Walt had made, it'd probably look something like

Groundbreaking, Industrial Park: 75-125 successes
Groundbreaking, City Core: 75-125 successes
Groundbreaking, Green Belt: 175-225 successes

Construction, Industrial Park: 100-150 successes
Construction, City Core: 250-350 successes
Construction, Green Belt: 175-225 successes

It's starting to look like if we actually wanted to do the Real EPCOT, we would have to basically giveup theme park production to do it in any sort of timescale. I just think that EPCOT will just wind up being an Action Sink and there really isn't any impetus for us to do it. People come to WDW for rides and attraction, not for a masters course on civil planning. And after a while we will face the sunk costs problem
 
I'm sorry but we have room for non essential actions and we've been having it and that room will grow with our advisors. We've not been and likely wwont be looking down the barrel of this major crunch unless stuff goes mega wrong. Not to mention that half the "essential actions" are less essential and more time sensitive with consequences.
Yes, actions grow with the acquisition of advisors. Congratulations for acknowledging a very basic mechanic.

"less essential and more time sensitive with consequences" - NEWS FLASH! We are leading a company. Our first and primary goal is to lead the company to higher profits. If there are absolutely necessary things to push and keep Disney at the top of the field, those are necessary actions. Any less strict of a definition and there isn't any such thing as an essential action. Business is cutthroat, and almost everything is time-sensitive to stay ahead of the game.

EPCOT will be a timesink that is only tangentially related leading the company, and will more likely also be a cost sink as well. It is something I want done, but we need to do it right rather than just going Leeroy Jenkins about the thing like you and the others seem to want to do. Once again, I remind you that Slynn initially planned for EPCOT to be a potential victory condition. They wouldn't put something like that as a condition for victory if it were something that could easily be done by just waiting on it.
Oh, and that's not even starting on the fact that the sole reason for us to complete all board goals are so we can spend board approval in other places. If were on an action crunch we can cut down on board goals and cost by being thrifty with approval spending. Like, if something goes wrong and hotels get delayed past the year we're still Gucci because were doing that good.
No, the board goals are to lead the company in ways the board directors think will help the company grow and profit further. They are not to be treated as mere side-quests to be completed only when we need more "money" as the analogy goes. We should turn them down when necessary or when the goals are too short-term (like building a hotel somewhere that is really stupid in the long-run), not when we don't need more approval. Board approval isn't some currency to burn, and we shouldn't make a habit of angering the board even if we think we can bring the number back up. Angering them could have as bad narrative consequences as exciting them too quickly as we have has had.

Sometimes, I feel like I am the only one who came in to this "Saving Disney" quest, read the mechanics 70% focused on the business side of things with 20% on office drama and 10% on "Other" and actually wanted to read and play a quest about leading Disney to glory and riches, rather than just using it as an excuse to complete some kind of political or ideological goal. Any time I have actually brought up these concerns, you guys seem to simply ignore those posts or treat them as mere venting or something.
 
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Exxon, a company that a few short months ago looked to be in position to top the Fortune 500, continues to hemorrhage stock price as new allegations have come to light from researchers the company had hired to conduct climate studies, all of whom claim that they gave dire warnings to Exxon about climate change that have thus far gone unheeded. While all sources spoke on condition of anonymity, due to fear of reprisal and of violating NDAs, they have all unanimously and independently confirmed that there is a looming crisis for the planet from increased gas and oil consumption. The data they've handed over is dense and complex, but an overview (see Charts and Graphs, on page 3) of all the facts paints a stark and terrifying picture. When asked for comment on the issue, government officials claim that they had not been notified by Exxon or the scientists involved, and were taking these matters quite seriously. The latest news from D.C. says that a commission is being assembled in the house, with representatives from both parties working together to form a scientific committee that will investigate further. The Pentagon has additionally added that they will address the matter as a one of national security if need be. Meanwhile, Exxon has nearly fallen out of the Fortune 500 with the news, and other oil and gas companies (some of which had initially risen with Exxon's fall) have also taken a dip following the leaks. There are concerns about gas rationing being restarted, and prices around America have only maintained their level due to a drop in demand as citizens' trust in oil falls, with many cancelled travel plans being reported around the country. Story continues, Page 2. Charts and Graphs, Page 3. Tips to Plan Your Trips, Page 4.

AN: Have an early headline. It may impact voting.
 
What in the tarnation...

The negaverse must be SO salty about awful rolls right now. Either talking damage control or talking "abandon ship".
 
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