Taking the Mickey: A Save Disney Quest

I would like to argue against Southern Edge, mainly because having two Value hotels in the same location could cause a massive strain on the Monorail services. It would also serve to make that area of Reedy Creek seem to be "lesser" as time went on. "Oh, that's where the folks that can't afford the better hotels go."

Believe me I understand the reasoning. The problem is... where else to put it?
Bonnet Creek, next to the super expensive mall? Parents will love us when their kids bug them incessantly to go there.
Crescent Lake? I really think walk on access to a Disney Park should be a moderate or Deluxe hotel perk, and unless we force them on a Monorail, they could easily walk to the French Showcase
Bay Lake? Again too close to Magic Kingdom (unless it's on the south side, and west of River Country at which point I can see it with a focus on conservation given proximity to Discovery Island)
Southwest of Marketplace? We lose out on where to put Typhoon Lagoon or Marketplace expansion.

It does give us the opportunity and experience to make the peoplemover or monorail extensions at least
 
I just don't see the point in doing so. We need to keep an area designated for those customers who will pay more, with shops and amenities that will obviously cost more as well. If we have a Value hotel in the area then the costumers who go there won't be able to buy at those kind of stores, unless we build value stores there as well, which make it so that the whole thing just looks without any plan in it.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Crazy7s1 on Nov 20, 2019 at 7:24 PM, finished with 34 posts and 18 votes.

  • [x] Plan: MAX Value v2
    -[x] The Southern Edge. You just finished Animated Adventures, and it's looking immensely popular. It might be worthwhile to keep expanding down there, and as a bonus, it's already on the monorail line. Plus it might make for a good chance to test the people mover system over longer distances…
    --[x] Large: 2000 CP, must have at least 700 points of rooms, but no more than 1400. 15 groundbreaking, 20 construction.
    -[x] Silly Symphonies.
    [X] Plan: Balancing Act
    -[X] Bay Lake. This location is quite close to the Magic Kingdom, but it has slightly worse waterfront access to the park in exchange for being somewhat closer to EPCOT. Large boost to Magic Kingdom park draw, small boost to EPCOT park draw.
    --[x] Large: 2000 CP, must have at least 700 points of rooms, but no more than 1400. 15 groundbreaking, 20 construction.
    -[x] Silly Symphonies.
 
Well... on at least two points of three we are unanimous. We all agree on Silly Symphonies, and we all agree it should be a large hotel.
 
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The Winning Vote said:
[*] Plan: MAX Value v2
-[*] The Southern Edge. You just finished Animated Adventures, and it's looking immensely popular. It might be worthwhile to keep expanding down there, and as a bonus, it's already on the monorail line. Plus it might make for a good chance to test the people mover system over longer distances…
--[*] Large: 2000 CP, must have at least 700 points of rooms, but no more than 1400. 15 groundbreaking, 20 construction.
-[*] Silly Symphonies.

"So, Silly Symphonies?" Elizabeth says. "We might need to pick a couple to focus on…"

"Three Little Pigs, obviously." You say. "It's too popular not to go for."

"Probably the same with Tortoise and the Hare." Elizabeth responds. "I'd go with Grasshopper and the Ants over Ugly Duckling, though."

"Ugly Duckling is a classic!" You object.

She shrugs. "Yeah, but then we have to have an ugly duckling on the building."

You sigh. "I suppose. If we wanted to push it, Skeleton Dance might give us a slightly more mature option." You look around for a bit before finding a blank sheet and starting to write all the options down. "Ferdinand the Bull could be good, we might get a solid statue out of that."

"Golden Touch with a faux gold facade?" Elizabeth questions. "Wise Hen as well, although having Donald might suck some of the air out of the room, so to speak."

You finish jotting down the short list. "This is definitely enough to get started with, I think. Of course we'll have all of them represented in some fashion, but having a couple main focuses to the hotel buildings will help."

"Speaking of…" Elizabeth says.

-[] Refer to This post please, anything marked out for a value hotel and the size options relating to the large hotel. I'm on tablet and can't easily copy paste all the relevant bits.

"Now, I think you also mentioned something about a people mover?" Elizabeth asks, handing off the design specs to a somewhat harried looking intern.

"We've got a park going in closer to Orlando, and there's going to be a people mover connecting the monorail station, parking area, and some hotels to the entrance gate. I figure we could start by working on the design here, connect the lobby and a few of the buildings, make getting to the monorail easier." You say, tracing a route for the people mover on a map.

"That could work. You might want to see about making it able to handle guests coming from pools, though." She pauses. "And those drenched in one of the afternoon storms." On cue, the pitter-patter of afternoon rain starts up at the window, a distant crack of thunder indicating that the stormy season is once again really getting into swing.

-[] Prototype the people mover. +10 to getting the one for Hollywood Studios up and running, -5 board approval, ???.

-[] A little walking never hurt anyone. Just maybe make sure there's some covered pathways.

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-[] Prototype the people mover. +10 to getting the one for Hollywood Studios up and running, -5 board approval, ???.

That board approval is going to seesaw like no one's business isn't it.

Edit: My bad
 
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-[] Prototype the people mover. +10 to getting the one for Hollywood Studios up and running, -5 board approval, ???.

That board approval is going to seesaw like no one's business isn't it.

Edit: My bad

It probably won't we tend to make the board pretty happy so we can afford it. The question is we have to use our board approval wisely. I probably should keep a better eye on our board approval but last turn we lost 10 (Wings Failure, Hiring Elizabeth), but gained 20 (Disney Store and a blockbuster Movie), but... our Board Approval does Max out. so even if we should be at 110, we are just at 100.

-5 isn't a lot but... some of the actions coming up are expensive in terms of board approval. -10 to deal with the labor union at Disney Parks, and it depends a lot on how our actions go. If we pick a fight with Big Tobacco for instance? that could be a big minus. Female Leads too.

By the way don't get me wrong, I want the people mover but we should probably get in the habit of using it for certain actions.

@Slynnwen how difficult is it to integrate the Silly Symphonies people mover into Animated Adventures?
 
It probably won't we tend to make the board pretty happy so we can afford it. The question is we have to use our board approval wisely. I probably should keep a better eye on our board approval but last turn we lost 10 (Wings Failure, Hiring Elizabeth), but gained 20 (Disney Store and a blockbuster Movie), but... our Board Approval does Max out. so even if we should be at 110, we are just at 100.

-5 isn't a lot but... some of the actions coming up are expensive in terms of board approval. -10 to deal with the labor union at Disney Parks, and it depends a lot on how our actions go. If we pick a fight with Big Tobacco for instance? that could be a big minus. Female Leads too.

By the way don't get me wrong, I want the people mover but we should probably get in the habit of using it for certain actions.

@Slynnwen how difficult is it to integrate the Silly Symphonies people mover into Animated Adventures?
Doesn't every point we get over 100 lower the level we need for board bonuses?
 
Doesn't every point we get over 100 lower the level we need for board bonuses?

Something like that, I'd have to double check the post about it Slynnwen made a while back. I think at this point we'd have to drop it below 80 by end of turn to lose board approval bonus which is very nice.

Board: No penalty for turns without any actions spent on Board Goals (5 Bonus)
+10 to all rolls associated with Board Goals. (30 bonus)
+5 to all rolls not associated with Board Goals, dice explode on 96-100 instead of just 100 for Board Goal rolls. (80 bonus)
 
@Slynnwen how difficult is it to integrate the Silly Symphonies people mover into Animated Adventures?
It's part of what making the people mover here does, so you don't need to try expanding the monorail station or just have guests walk to it from the new hotel. As far as whether or not you'd be rolling for this specific instance, no, it'd be part of the hotel planning, and part of the board approval expenditure covers prototyping and the costs of that.
Doesn't every point we get over 100 lower the level we need for board bonuses?
Yes, however, that also eventually caps after 100 excess approval, at 0-25-50 bonuses instead of 25-50-100 bonuses.
 
Ok let's get this started. One large Silly Symphonies hotel. Let's treat this as a first step

20 Standard Rooms (1000 pts, 1000 rooms)
4 Family Suites (200pts, 100 rooms)

2 pools (200pts)
1 hot tub (50pts)
1 playground (50pts)
2 Laundromat (100pts)
1 Sports Field (100pts)
1 Arcade (50pts)
1 Kid's Club (100pts)
1 cafeteria (100pts)
1 gift shop (50pts)

We can't do a Theater or Game Room as this is value and those are amenities for a Luxury or moderate Hotel, same with Park and Garden. I'm considering getting rid of the Sports Field and replacing it with... something? This would also get us into spitting range of 2000 new rooms this year.

Oh... if anyone's curious how I did the math so fast. I was bored one day and turned the hotel constructor document into a spreadsheet
 
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