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Tacit Ronin: The Power of Three

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Sir Plusse said:
Also, keep in mind that "up to par" does not necessarily mean "identical to Seattle;" I was actually defining "par" as "can now contribute meaningfully to our operations beyond being a glorified warehouse that might give us a few extra actions." Yes, I'm fully aware that this sounds like I'm moving the goalposts, but I consider Seattle's current stats (as in, stopping just before upgrade cost-efficiency drops) to be "pretty good; could be better with effort, but definitely above average," and 5 as "bare minimum to be considered up to par." You have to admit that you don't need 10 in a city stat for it to contribute to the cause, though of course higher numbers are better; my "more expensive than a city" assertion was based on an average of about 5 for a city's stats (which I'm pretty sure comes out to 45000 Resources if upgrading from 0).
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Which is about 2/3rds of E: our cheapest reactor for a Mark IV. However, I'd say that judging a city's usefulness purely by it's stats isn't accurate. City Augments would need to be factored in to really get a good idea of the costs.

City Augments, barring Defensive ones, are usually pretty cheap, at somewhere between 1000-1500 R for most of them (and 2000/2500 for our current Defense options). But they add up fast. Assuming we get 4 Augs for Pop and Research, 4 KSFs, an ANGEL-Net transmitter, and 4 Railguns, even at 1000 R for the Pop and Research ones, that's another 24000 R.

The railguns are, admittedly, 10k of that, and aren't completely necessary, but I think the Pop Augs (MPFs, Dockworks, and envlronmental stuff), the KSFs, the Research Augs, and the ANGEL-Net transmitter are all pretty necessary to having a functioning and useful city.
 
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Highwind said:
After thinking it over and looking at the fluff again, it seems to me that passage actually says the OS is easy to tune for any Jaeger rather than having to be an OS built from the ground up for a specific Jaeger. Basically, it has all those sliders, customization options and is easy to patch to your specifications, not that the OS is some generic thing that doesn't fit Tacit's systems perfectly.

Plus, there's this part here,

Which implies the system was already tuned for Tacit's specifications.
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Ah, that makes perfect sense now, I had been reading the TR-Adaptation as like a licensing watermark, it's a legit copy of the G.U.N.D.A.M. system.
(Software pirates are everywhere, especially now that civilized niceties like copyright law are unenforceable outside of small independant jurisdictions.)

And seeing as how it was a Fyr like you received, I assume we can safely go with your take on it.
 
The bestiary is still giving itself seizures, adding spoiler tags everywhere regardless of my numerous attempts to edit them out. It apparently LIKES being screwed up and refuses to be corrected even after attempting Bungies excellent suggestion.

I'm not really sure about posting etiquette on SV, so I was wondering if it would be frowned on to have a TRvtW support thread where only relatively static things such as rules, links to various docs, links to threads I, II, III, +, etc could go... no commentary just hard data or links to hard data.

I didn't want to initiate anything and then get roasted slowly for being dumb (but enthusiastic!!!).

I can always just put the stuff into a google doc and just give you another link if you feel that is the best approach... really whatever works best and is the least intrusive.

Interim Google Doc link, I could find no documentation to support spoilers :cry:

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What damage table is used for Ice/Sonic to determine wounds (glancing/minor/major/destroyed)?
 
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Smithsguild said:
What damage table is used for Ice/Sonic to determine wounds (glancing/minor/major/destroyed)?
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I'm... not actually sure honestly. But I think that circumvents those categories, except in the cases where it says "applies X Category's penalties" and I'm pretty sure it can only disable limbs which are its equivalent to destroyed.
 
Oh. I don't think we're enough to launch another crusade.

But 2 cities can contribute a lot more in terms if research
 
Astra Myst said:
Oh. I don't think we're enough to launch another crusade.

But 2 cities can contribute a lot more in terms if research
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I dunno, you might be surprised. Highwind, the guy you generally ask about this stuff since he's the Templar :V , whipped up a list on page 101 if you want to go look at it. It surprisingly short.

But, to ask the obvious question, what do you think would make us enough for another crusade?

E: And 2 cities open up a ton of our more ~Exotic~ ideas indeed.
 
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Yay!
And I think we need more jaegers or at least more superheavies in case Fyr decides to sneak attack our asses
 
Astra Myst said:
Yay!
And I think we need more jaegers or at least more superheavies in case Fyr decides to sneak attack our asses
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Well when we first went there we only had Jagd and Tacit, with Tacit not as swole as it is now, and then boogied like smart people when Anklasumos decided to drop in.

Phenom Mk III with the bits that come along with that incidentally, like ranged grapnel(which we almost got except for a nat 1), I'd stack him up pretty fairly with a second Sword Class deciding to say hi if he has Con support. Plus we are pretty paranoid about that particular eventuality. Same goes for Jagd without Fangs, cause she's done it before. Got a perk out of it too.

So arrange it that Tacit and Phenom are beating through the lesser Kaiju of Anklasumos's "Court" with support from Cons and then facing the Big Guy when he shows up while Jagd watches the six and deals with any sneaky friendos.

But, yes, this is all for the future.
 
BungieONI said:
We're voting on Downtime plans, discussing Oblivion Bay Crusade requirements, and nitpicking the exact cost of Mk IV Tacit when compared to building a generic city.
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Technically, the first one is done. The vote's been locked in. As such, we have nothing better to do than run numbers and discuss things.
Astra Myst said:
Yay!
And I think we need more jaegers or at least more superheavies in case Fyr decides to sneak attack our asses
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I don't see Fyr doing that, unless we camp out at Oblivion Bay for a week or so, or something. It wouldn't be all that fun, nor would it really make a huge amount of sense in-universe. We've yet to have a Kaiju hit us while we're out hunting.

That said, Mark 0s should make having something to watch our backs easier, if people are really feeling that paranoid. Personally, I'd be more concerned about damage, particularly damage resulting in loss of equipment. That can pretty difficult to recover from after a hunt, much less a Crusade.
 
Nixeu said:
I don't see Fyr doing that, unless we camp out at Oblivion Bay for a week or so, or something. It wouldn't be all that fun, nor would it really make a huge amount of sense in-universe. We've yet to have a Kaiju hit us while we're out hunting.

That said, Mark 0s should make having something to watch our backs easier, if people are really feeling that paranoid. Personally, I'd be more concerned about damage, particularly damage resulting in loss of equipment. That can pretty difficult to recover from after a hunt, much less a Crusade.
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Mmm good point.

In other news I've mucked about with the Raubtier section of the Research List, and we're somewhere in the range of 30 to 40 percent done with the project.
 
Nixeu said:
I don't see Fyr doing that, unless we camp out at Oblivion Bay for a week or so, or something. It wouldn't be all that fun, nor would it really make a huge amount of sense in-universe. We've yet to have a Kaiju hit us while we're out hunting.
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Can confirm; I wouldn't do this.

That said, it becomes somewhat more likely if you leave some forces behind at the city, and they're of a strength I trust can handle a kaiju. But not during something like Oblivion Bay.

Edit: downtime post is in progress, btw.
 
You know guys, I'm looking through the Research List and I came to this bit:

[] Mobile Bases
  • Large "units" acting as mobile Shatterdome, transporting and repairing Jaegers.
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And the first thing that comes to mind is Arms Forts and lots of chuckles.
 
BungieONI said:
You know guys, I'm looking through the Research List and I came to this bit:

[] Mobile Bases
  • Large "units" acting as mobile Shatterdome, transporting and repairing Jaegers.

And the first thing that comes to mind is Arms Forts and lots of chuckles.
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I could envision a small scale mobile repair shop, capable of repairing stikes to armor & -maybe- (If research rolls are high & Fyr is feeling generous, fix ongoing/minor wounds) but even that would require cranes, scaffolding, a fleet of semis carrying armor plates/generic parts and some small scale auto-jigs for construction of intricate bits.

To be able to serve as Jaeger transport AND stand in as a fully functional Shatterdome would require a platform built on the equivalent of 4 Jawa sandcrawlers... ( at least in my mind). Something like the NASA gantry crawler... (which is not noted for its speed).
 
BungieONI said:
You know guys, I'm looking through the Research List and I came to this bit:



And the first thing that comes to mind is Arms Forts and lots of chuckles.
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Hey man, one of those proposals is your giant carrier-submarine.
Smithsguild said:
I could envision a small scale mobile repair shop, capable of repairing stikes to armor & -maybe- (If research rolls are high & Fyr is feeling generous, fix ongoing/minor wounds) but even that would require cranes, scaffolding, a fleet of semis carrying armor plates/generic parts and some small scale auto-jigs for construction of intricate bits.

To be able to serve as Jaeger transport AND stand in as a fully functional Shatterdome would require a platform built on the equivalent of 4 Jawa sandcrawlers... ( at least in my mind). Something like the NASA gantry crawler... (which is not noted for its speed).
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You're not too far off on the sizes involved. We've had a couple proposals on this front, and all of them involve rather massive craft, like an adapted supercarrier. Basically, they're mean to enable us to keep our Jaegers functional on long-distance expeditions, like the trip to Japan.
 
Nixeu said:
You're not too far off on the sizes involved. We've had a couple proposals on this front, and all of them involve rather massive craft, like an adapted supercarrier. Basically, they're mean to enable us to keep our Jaegers functional on long-distance expeditions, like the trip to Japan.
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Yeah, despite my talk of wanting a White Base/Ptolemy II/Hagane/Hiryuu Kai equivalent (that is, something with big guns as well as transport and repair capabiliies), the best I actually expect for a mobile Shatterdrome is a supercarrier-sized vehicle, hopefully one that can fly, with limited offensive abilities.

We really shouldn't need anything more than that, and I expect we won't build anything larger than that because the cost would probably be prohibitive unless we're fighting two Cat IV and a Cat V every week.

That is not to say I don't want a Space Battleship Yamato equivalent, of course. :V
 
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Something I've been wondering for a while: Why do people keep adding a second R to "Shatterdome?" Not like it matters all that much, since everyone seems to know what they're actually trying to say, but it bothers me.
 
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