Sorry, that's Asunaro. Kazamino is where Kyoko is kicking around in canon, and also the home of Miss Future Sight and her pet assassin, though whether or not they've contracted at present is somewhat ambiguous, as I haven't mentioned the date just yet, in addition to other factors that might prevent them/have prevented them from contracting at all. Not that you would know this.
Not saying you can't have it that way in your story, but 'canonically' (as far as the Oriko side stories can be considered canon) Oriko and Kirika reside in Mitakihara, with Kirika attending Mitakihara Middle School, same year as Mami, I think.

Sadness Prayer, which is basically a compilation and fleshing out of most of the Oriko side stories, has a Kasamino meguca group, which arrives at Mitakihara chasing after Sasa Yuuki, also from Kasamino. Then there's fights and shit.
 
Now they just need to also meet Yumi and two other quest OCs to form the Unholy Quintet.

Also, why is Ashtaroth (relatively) sane? Does it have to do with her original wish?

I'm keeping the actual wish a secret for now, so I'm afraid I can't answer this. That said, there's some speculation on this a bit earlier in the thread that you may want to take a look at.

Not saying you can't have it that way in your story, but 'canonically' (as far as the Oriko side stories can be considered canon) Oriko and Kirika reside in Mitakihara, with Kirika attending Mitakihara Middle School, same year as Mami, I think.

Sadness Prayer, which is basically a compilation and fleshing out of most of the Oriko side stories, has a Kasamino meguca group, which arrives at Mitakihara chasing after Sasa Yuuki, also from Kasamino. Then there's fights and shit.

I'm aware that Kirika goes to Mitakihara middle school, but to my knowledge the two cities are separated by like, basically a river and a couple of roads at best. Based on the fact that Kyoko's church should be in kazamino, and the fact that Sayaka follows her there in canon without it seeming to take much time, or even obviously leaving Mitakihara, the two have got to be REALLY close. As such, there's no real reason Kirika and Oriko can't live in the former- let's just say they're close enough to the border between the two that it's more convenient for Kirika to attend Mitakihara middle than the closest equivalent in Kazamino.

I'm also aware of the sadness prayer group, though again I haven't actually gotten to read that as of yet. Their potential involvement is currently up in the air.
 
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I'm keeping the actual wish a secret for now, so I'm afraid I can't answer this. That said, there's some speculation on this a bit earlier in the thread that you may want to take a look at.



I'm aware that Kirika goes to Mitakihara middle school, but to my knowledge the two cities are separated by like, basically a river and a couple of roads at best. Based on the fact that Kyoko's church should be in kazamino, and the fact that Sayaka follows her there in canon without it seeming to take much time, or even obviously leaving Mitakihara, the two have got to be REALLY close. As such, there's no real reason Kirika and Oriko can't live in the former- let's just say they're close enough to the border between the two that it's more convenient for Kirika to attend Mitakihara middle than the closest equivalent in Kazamino.

I'm also aware of the sadness prayer group, though again I haven't actually gotten to read that as of yet. Their potential involvement is currently up in the air.
I remember one part of Oriko's plan in SP included Oriko and Kirika specifically going to Kasamino.

To take Sasa's Seeds.

I think the church is in Mitakihara. Kyouko left to Kasamino after her fight with Mami.
 
I remember one part of Oriko's plan in SP included Oriko and Kirika specifically going to Kasamino.

To take Sasa's Seeds.

I think the church is in Mitakihara. Kyouko left to Kasamino after her fight with Mami.

Really now? I may need to change a few things if there's confirmed information on their location, and probably give Oriko magica another quick review. Thankfully, I'm pretty sure there's a simple way around the issue if I can't figure out how to adjust things- it may even give me a reason for something else, actually.

...hmm. Well that doesnt make much sense. Kyoko is confirmed by one of the drama CDs to be FROM Kazamino, and lived in that church her entire early life so far as we know. That's... something of a continuity snarl, if so.
 
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Really now? I may need to change a few things if there's confirmed information on their location, and probably give Oriko magica another quick review. Thankfully, I'm pretty sure there's a simple way around the issue if I can't figure out how to adjust things- it may even give me a reason for something else, actually.

...hmm. Well that doesnt make much sense. Kyoko is confirmed by one of the drama CDs to be FROM Kazamino, and lived in that church her entire early life so far as we know. That's... something of a continuity snarl, if so.
I didn't know about this drama CD. Or I think I had read about it once, then forgot. :p

Googling about the church, I can't find anything but vague speculation about where it's supposed to be.

I guess Kyouko being from Kazamino makes sense if the cities are close enough to each other.
 
Really now? I may need to change a few things if there's confirmed information on their location, and probably give Oriko magica another quick review. Thankfully, I'm pretty sure there's a simple way around the issue if I can't figure out how to adjust things- it may even give me a reason for something else, actually.

...hmm. Well that doesnt make much sense. Kyoko is confirmed by one of the drama CDs to be FROM Kazamino, and lived in that church her entire early life so far as we know. That's... something of a continuity snarl, if so.
I checked TDS and Kyouko indeed is from Kazamino, so I was wrong about that.

On another note, it Kyouko Damsel In Distress Guca or what? She needs to get her shit saved both in TDS and in Oriko Magica.
 
Wait... okay, Oriko's school, Shirome, is definitely in kazamino, since thats where Sasa Yuuki attends, and we know based on her goals that she hasn't really been in Mitakihara at all. Kirika goes to Mitakihara middle. She and Oriko live close enough that they can meet up on the regular. That's fine, since the cities are close. Kirika is confirmed to live in Mitakihara by her back story with Erika, and Oriko's father was a politician there, so we can assume she (probably) lives there too. Fine.

...now, however, I start running into issues. Let's assume the oriko magica timeline was the first time either contracted over the course of homura's many loops. During chapter 3 of Oriko magica, Mami is trying to figure out what happened to all the other magical girls of the city on kyubeys request, which led me to believe she was investigating kazamino at the time. If it's Mitakihara however, then that implies the existence of magical girls never actually seen or encountered in any sidestory or timeline, and who we never see fight Walpurgisnacht. Where the hell are they? And how is that possible, when TDS states the city can't support that many magical girls?

Second issue. Yuma theoretically lives in kazamino, since thats where Kyoko was at the time, and that's thus where she must have rescued her, right? Except in symmetry Diamond, Oriko comes across Yuma in a park- in Mitakihara- after she gets run out of her home. Again, the cities are close, so that's at least excusable... but then Yuma also manages to get there while grievously injured later on, implying the park is literally right next to her house. Not to mention, when we cut to Sasa looking over the city, with Kyubey telling her how many new magical girls are being born, we know that's mitakihara, since she's looking to move in on the territory. But that's not possible, or plausible, because (again) TDS states Mitakihara isn't large enough to support even four magical girls in a semi-long term manner, so there can't be that many witches about or that much contracting going on. You could say Kyubey isn't doing it as much in that timeline for some reason, but why? To force mami/sayaka/Kyoko to witch out? Which he doesnt do any other time? Uh???



Maybe I can just say that while Kirika lives in Mitakihara, Oriko lives in Kazamino, and her father just commuted? How detailed was sadness prayer regarding where they were while discussing heading to kazamino, @Onmur?

Edited out because it's not really all that relevant to this location issue, but still confuses me- looking at the descriptions given by noisy citrine and sadness prayer, how they can possibly both be true? I assume they take place in the same timeline, which seems to be what's implied as they're both prequels to Oriko magica. Noisy citrine says Kirika tries to go meet Oriko again after making her wish but still can't find the confidence to face her, while Sadness Prayer states Kirika doesn't even recognize Oriko, to the point that she outright attacks her? What? I don't understand how these can be simultaneously true; am I missing something? NONE OF THESE SIDE STORIES MATCH UP AND IT'S REALLY ANNOYING
 
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TDS states Mitakihara isn't large enough to support even four magical girls in a semi-long term manner, so there can't be that many witches about or that much contracting going on.

Alot of contracting results in lots of witches, so it should eventually balance out.
Assuming no one fucks up, of course.

Mitakihara not being able to support that many MGs is probably a result of the "save people" approach mami goes for.
Where other Puella magi might let familiars and witches live to "reproduce", Mami nips those in the butt whenever she can.


As for the timelines, can't help much, but i found a source that said:

  • Symmetry Diamond and Last Agate takes place in a separate timeline from the original Oriko Magica story.
^(A timeline where Oriko sees walpurgis instead of kriemhild)
 
Wait... okay, Oriko's school, Shirome, is definitely in kazamino, since thats where Sasa Yuuki attends, and we know based on her goals that she hasn't really been in Mitakihara at all. Kirika goes to Mitakihara middle. She and Oriko live close enough that they can meet up on the regular. That's fine, since the cities are close. Kirika is confirmed to live in Mitakihara by her back story with Erika, and Oriko's father was a politician there, so we can assume she (probably) lives there too. Fine.

...now, however, I start running into issues. Let's assume the oriko magica timeline was the first time either contracted over the course of homura's many loops. During chapter 3 of Oriko magica, Mami is trying to figure out what happened to all the other magical girls of the city on kyubeys request, which led me to believe she was investigating kazamino at the time. If it's Mitakihara however, then that implies the existence of magical girls never actually seen or encountered in any sidestory or timeline, and who we never see fight Walpurgisnacht. Where the hell are they? And how is that possible, when TDS states the city can't support that many magical girls?

Second issue. Yuma theoretically lives in kazamino, since thats where Kyoko was at the time, and that's thus where she must have rescued her, right? Except in symmetry Diamond, Oriko comes across Yuma in a park- in Mitakihara- after she gets run out of her home. Again, the cities are close, so that's at least excusable... but then Yuma also manages to get there while grievously injured later on, implying the park is literally right next to her house. Not to mention, when we cut to Sasa looking over the city, with Kyubey telling her how many new magical girls are being born, we know that's mitakihara, since she's looking to move in on the territory. But that's not possible, or plausible, because (again) TDS states Mitakihara isn't large enough to support even four magical girls in a semi-long term manner, so there can't be that many witches about or that much contracting going on. You could say Kyubey isn't doing it as much in that timeline for some reason, but why? To force mami/sayaka/Kyoko to witch out? Which he doesnt do any other time? Uh???



Maybe I can just say that while Kirika lives in Mitakihara, Oriko lives in Kazamino, and her father just commuted? How detailed was sadness prayer regarding where they were while discussing heading to kazamino, @Onmur?

Edited out because it's not really all that relevant to this location issue, but still confuses me- looking at the descriptions given by noisy citrine and sadness prayer, how they can possibly both be true? I assume they take place in the same timeline, which seems to be what's implied as they're both prequels to Oriko magica. Noisy citrine says Kirika tries to go meet Oriko again after making her wish but still can't find the confidence to face her, while Sadness Prayer states Kirika doesn't even recognize Oriko, to the point that she outright attacks her? What? I don't understand how these can be simultaneously true; am I missing something? NONE OF THESE SIDE STORIES MATCH UP AND IT'S REALLY ANNOYING
I went a bit over Sadness Prayer again...

So Sasa Yuki isn't from Kazamino apparently, but she went there and started feeding people to her mind controlled witches, which caused for there to be lots of Witches and for her to get kicked out of the city by the meguca group there, which then chase after her when she moves onto Mitakihara and starts plotting to get back at them because apparently she had to left in a hurry and left a lot of Seeds behind.

Sasa has a few Witches under her control as she leaves and plots together with Oriko, but complains about not having any Seeds.

She has Witches she bred. She complains about not having Seeds. No, this does not make any sense.

Anyway, all the Kazamino gucas and Sasa die in Mitakihara as part of Oriko's plot, so Oriko is free to travel with Kirika to Kazamino to pick up Sasa's Seeds; while there, they run into Yuma being yelled at by a woman from whom Yuma had stolen some pocky to give to Kyouko because she wants to be loved and not abandoned. (Oriko had previously already 'foreseen' Yuma and told KB about her, promising KB Yuma would have a lot of Potential, as part of plot to keep KB from noticing Madoka's Potential, which somehow works).

Next time we see Oriko again she's back at home, so the trip to Kazamino was a really short loot mission thing.

is that she feeds people to her controlled Witches and causes the Witch population to rise rampantly wherever she goes.

is that holy fuck there's TONS of meguca just going around like it's nothing. And they don't seem to be brand new contracts who are there just because KB saw a chance what with Sasa's witch breeding thing. There's just way too many meguca.
 
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Probably the people writing the sidestories don't care that much about continuity.

Yeah... every time they make another sidestory, more and more conflicting details end up piling up. This is becoming a headache and a half.

I went a bit over Sadness Prayer again...

So Sasa Yuki isn't from Kazamino apparently, but she went there and started feeding people to her mind controlled witches, which caused for there to be lots of Witches and for her to get kicked out of the city by the meguca group there, which then chase after her when she moves onto Mitakihara and starts plotting to get back at them because apparently she had to left in a hurry and left a lot of Seeds behind.

Sasa has a few Witches under her control as she leaves and plots together with Oriko, but complains about not having any Seeds.

She has Witches she bred. She complains about not having Seeds. No, this does not make any sense.

Anyway, all the Kazamino gucas and Sasa die in Mitakihara as part of Oriko's plot, so Oriko is free to travel with Kirika to Kazamino to pick up Sasa's Seeds; while there, they run into Yuma being yelled at by a woman from whom Yuma had stolen some pocky to give to Kyouko because she wants to be loved and not abandoned. (Oriko had previously already 'foreseen' Yuma and told KB about her, promising KB Yuma would have a lot of Potential, as part of plot to keep KB from noticing Madoka's Potential, which somehow works).

Next time we see Oriko again she's back at home, so the trip to Kazamino was a really short loot mission thing.

is that she feeds people to her controlled Witches and causes the Witch population to rise rampantly wherever she goes.

is that holy fuck there's TONS of meguca just going around like it's nothing. And they don't seem to be brand new contracts who are there just because KB saw a chance what with Sasa's witch breeding thing. There's just way too many meguca.

...maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but how the hell does one breed witches without ever realizing what they are? Through breeding familiars, I guess? But she has a ton of different types, doesn't she? How...?

...alright, you know what, screw this. Too many things don't make sense about Oriko's little adventures when you put them all together, even if you acknowledge that some of them take place in a different timeline. Too many characters that apparently never show up elsewhere and that strain the boundaries of suspended disbelief, too many events that make no sense if you try to figure out how this all works on the whole. I'll resolve it when it needs to be resolved, assuming I don't just excise the issues away entirely.
 
Emergence 8: The Obvious Choice
> Mitakihara.

Okay, on second thought, you... honestly don't know why you're even considering Kamihama. You've only ever heard of the place in passing, don't have a clue what the city is like, and you're not even entirely sure where it is. In the same vein, you know basically nothing about Hohzuki, meaning you'd be heading into completely unknown territory and hedging your bets against an unknown number of magical girls. You'd very much prefer to avoid that, and since you're definitely not going back to Sengeitsu, that narrows your options down to three: Asunaro, Kazamino, and Mitakihara.

As it happens, those are the three closest cities to Sengeitsu, and also the ones you actually know something about the magical affairs of, thanks to being curious enough to ask Kyubey about them back before he started stonewalling you. While you no longer trust the little rat much further than you can throw him (which is now nowhere, seeing as how that would be difficult without ARMS), you don't recall him ever actually lying to you outright, so you don't doubt the information he gave you was at least technically correct. Hopefully, that should make this choice a little easier.

Asunaro... it would be convenient, seeing as it's the nearest of the three, but given what you've been told about it, perhaps that's not the best idea. According to Kyubey, Asunaro is home to a frankly ridiculous number of magical girls, including a long-standing seven girl team thereof. So far as you're aware, team ups in general are relatively rare in your former line of work, not just because of competition for limited resources, but because most "teams" don't tend to last very long. For one to manage to keep seven people alive and functional long enough that Kyubey actually took notice, either their strength or their teamwork must be utterly absurd. As such, you imagine heading into Asunaro might be something akin to deliberately leaping directly in front of a firing squad, so- yeah, you think you'll be crossing that one off the list.

Kazamino... Kyubey didn't have much to say about that one, to be honest. He basically just told you there's nothing all that notable about it, and that in terms of its magic situation, it's fairly average. Unfortunately, this was before you learned how good Kyubey is at twisting his words to imply meanings completely separate from what he actually says — his definition of "notable" may be very different from yours, and you never got clarification on what "average" specifically meant either. Presumably Kazamino has less magical girls than Asunaro at least, since the latter most definitely is not average by his metrics, but that still means you have functionally zero clue what to expect from the city, which is practically begging for disaster. It could be perfectly fine, maybe even your best option, but you're not entirely sure you're willing to risk it.

Finally, Mitakihara. Apparently, the place is pretty much controlled by a single magical girl who has essentially the entire municipality under her jurisdiction, and whom Kyubey managed to sound almost fond of, despite his self-purported total lack of emotion. While Mitakihara is relatively small as cities go, to the point that it's interchangeably known as Mitakihara Town, if territory for magical girls is as contested as you've been led to believe, you think you can assume that the noted girl is really good at what she does. Probably even more so than the Asunaro group, in fact.

That being said... if your general approach to magical girls is just going to be "don't approach", then the city with only one of them might make more sense to go than anywhere else, regardless of how powerful she is. A single girl cannot possibly be hunting witches at every waking moment, nor should she be able to reliably patrol the city in its entirety within the span of a day. Mitakihara may be relatively small, but it's still a city, so total coverage seems like it would be impossible short of some sort of teleportation power. Even if she did find you, you could always just shove yourself into the sky again, and unless she can fly you'd be totally safe... granted, you have no clue what her powers are beyond the type of weapon Kyubey says she uses, and you literally just encountered someone with something pretty dang close to flight, but magical girl powers vary heavily enough that that would be a risk no matter where you go.

Yeah, in the end, that seems like your best option. Mitakihara it is.

...now, how does one get there, again?



It takes you a little while, but thankfully you do still know at least generally which direction one needs to leave Sengeitsu in order to get to Mitakihara, and your ability to go upwards seemingly without limit does eventually allow you to pinpoint it. At least, you think it's Mitakihara you're looking at now, unless there's some other nearby city with a port on one end, a river running through it, and a building with a spire so high that it's noticeable even from a couple miles up.

Actually, given that last one, it's definitely Mitakihara. Nowhere else around here has architecture anywhere even near that ostentatious.

Moving at a slight diagonal, you push your barrier forward towards the distant city. Easier than going back down since you can keep the city in sight, and hey, the quickest path is a straight line and all that.

...unfortunately, it may be a straight line, but it's not a particularly short one, and your barrier does not seem to move any faster going downwards than it does going upwards. This could take a while. It doesn't seem to take much effort or concentration to just keep pushing yourself forward though — maybe you can do something else in the meantime?



[-] Exit?
[-] Leave?
[-] Vacate?
[-] Egress?
[-] Seriously, go! There's only so many ways to rephrase it, so stop getting distracted and go take a look at the outer layer of your barrier already!
 
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Look at all those choices. Generous, am I not? :D

Side note, yeah, this was pretty much a foregone conclusion given that the previous iteration intended to go there as well, but stalled out not far in. Since you're missing two characters as compared to then however, events will likely progress a bit differently.
 
I wonder who will be the magical girl we accidently eat. It's going to happen to SOMEONE... just who is up is the air.
 
Look at all those choices. Generous, am I not? :D

Side note, yeah, this was pretty much a foregone conclusion given that the previous iteration intended to go there as well, but stalled out not far in. Since you're missing two characters as compared to then however, events will likely progress a bit differently.

Well, I for one am certainly glad to see it actually get implemented in this version. Despite all the moaning people do about stations of canon, the availability of canon is fanfiction's strength rather than its weakness. To not leverage it in some way is often a poor choice.

Looking forward to the next chapter!
 
Well, I for one am certainly glad to see it actually get implemented in this version. Despite all the moaning people do about stations of canon, the availability of canon is fanfiction's strength rather than its weakness. To not leverage it in some way is often a poor choice.

Looking forward to the next chapter!
Generally when people complain about 'stations of canon', they're not referring to using the same characters or elements of canon, but rather to repeating the same story beats. So it wouldn't be so much disliking the use of Mami Tomoe, but rather disliking her getting eaten by Charlotte early on.

Basically, using the same ingredients as canon is fine. It's using the same recipe that's a problem.

Nonetheless, I agree that the existence of canon is indeed fanfictions greatest advantage. It means you get to write under the assumption that the readers already know a bunch of things about the setting, and have already established emotional connections with many of the characters. You can vastly reduce exposition, you can make excellent use of dramatic irony, you can explore characters and elements of the setting much more closely because the reader already knows the basics, you don't need to build up a character for a while before the reader can care about them...

I'm sure there's more benefits, but these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.
 
Well, I for one am certainly glad to see it actually get implemented in this version. Despite all the moaning people do about stations of canon, the availability of canon is fanfiction's strength rather than its weakness. To not leverage it in some way is often a poor choice.

Looking forward to the next chapter!

Glad to hear! Though, following the stations of canon would be... pretty difficult in this scenario, so I don't think anyone really needs to worry there regardless. :)

Generally when people complain about 'stations of canon', they're not referring to using the same characters or elements of canon, but rather to repeating the same story beats. So it wouldn't be so much disliking the use of Mami Tomoe, but rather disliking her getting eaten by Charlotte early on.

Basically, using the same ingredients as canon is fine. It's using the same recipe that's a problem.

Nonetheless, I agree that the existence of canon is indeed fanfictions greatest advantage. It means you get to write under the assumption that the readers already know a bunch of things about the setting, and have already established emotional connections with many of the characters. You can vastly reduce exposition, you can make excellent use of dramatic irony, you can explore characters and elements of the setting much more closely because the reader already knows the basics, you don't need to build up a character for a while before the reader can care about them...

I'm sure there's more benefits, but these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

I agree with pretty much all of this. Stations of canon are usually annoying for me because I like For Want of a Nail type fics, so seeing things NOT change as a result of something that feasibly could have accomplished that is frustrating. Going through things everyone has already seen/read is boring, but the framework of canon isn't inherently evil. In fact, if I didn't want to use it to some extent, I wouldn't be writing fanfiction. ^^;

[-] Vamoose?

I didn't like the other choices, so I wrote down my own instead.

This used to be an option. I deleted it before actually posting, because I didn't like it. You discard my fine, hand-picked synonyms in favor of the one I edited out?

...you disgust me. :anger:
 
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You discard my fine, hand-picked synonyms in favor of the one I edited out?

...you disgust me. :anger:

That's a very presumptuous accusation. For all you know, I could've been talking about the vamoose instead: The vampire moose. As in "Why is there a vampire moose in my Barrier?"
 
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