Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 200 74.9%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 63 23.6%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 102 38.2%
  • Total voters
    267
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tri2 said:
darn, wished ogryns won, then we could have gone with power armored options for mass producible super soldiers
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No. You could not have done that. You are a singular Void Station, one damaged in a uprising against the Dark Mechanicus. The T'au Battlesuits is the closest you will come to mass production of power armor unless you manage to capture an entire Forge World. Those suits are expensive.

Edit: As for supersoldiers, see my post about Ogryn Bone'eads a page or two back.
 
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[X] "Yes. The Celestial Choir Shall See Us Through."

...our saviors are beastmen shaman

.....Emperor forgive us, we're knee deep in the heresy now lads.

We're saved by furries.

(Those suits of power armor are also a good choice, but the option to further fuck over Chaos is always the correct choice).
 
HeroCooky said:
*Self-taught amateur psykers that will develop their unique brand of psykana as they go.

As I said, you can make 'em all into Bone'eads and thus vastly increase their intelligence to that of a four year old human.

POV for that description was through the general lens of the people on that station. You must understand that they do not have a lot of concepts we have, and vice-versa. To them, a sky would be utterly incomprehensible, and a bunny appearing on the station would be so far out of context that Tzeentch probably had a hand in it appearing. So Bnuy got a fitting description from their POV.
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... So, this is a route that can get us bunnygirls? I mean, future ones will be cuter than hideous mutated amalgamations because Chaos is less able to muck it up, right?

I may have missed out on Cute Nuns in Power Armor, but I can accept Moon Bunnies as a decent consolation prize.

And Votary is where the real horseshit kicks in on any route.
 
HeroCooky said:
No. You could not have done that. You are a singular Void Station, one damaged in a uprising against the Dark Mechanicus. The T'au Battlesuits is the closest you will come to mass production of power armor unless you manage to capture an entire Forge World. Those suits are expensive.

Edit: As for supersoldiers, see my post about Ogryn Bone'eads a page or two back.
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Wait, does that mean we're located in the eastern fringes?
 
From the sound of things we already do have a non-chaos one, which is why I call her the most fortunate mutant in existence.
 
Alectai said:
... So, this is a route that can get us bunnygirls? I mean, future ones will be cuter than hideous mutated amalgamations because Chaos is less able to muck it up, right?

I may have missed out on Cute Nuns in Power Armor, but I can accept Moon Bunnies as a decent consolation prize.

And Votary is where the real horseshit kicks in on any route.
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Bro, if you told me I had to choose between power armour, a ship, and bunny girls, that's not even a choice at all.
 
A non-chaos mutant/bnuuy girl. The rarest of creatures in canon 40k, where mutants generally come out of the womb looking like a Cronenberg monster.
 
The Laurent said:
...plenty of mutants aren't Chaos, though. Like the whole point is that it's another way that the Imperium acts like shitheads, in its "Abhor the Mutant, Xenos and yada yada" stuff.
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The point is that even if your mutations are brought along by environmental problems, Chaos still gets a claim on you for some inexplicable reason. Probably daisy-chaining off of "Environmental Conditions = You either die or endure or change = Hey over half of the Chaos Gods now have a claim on this = Being Mutated means Chaos can claim you much easier than a relative baseline human."
 
Alectai said:
The point is that even if your mutations are brought along by environmental problems, Chaos still gets a claim on you for some inexplicable reason. Probably daisy-chaining off of "Environmental Conditions = You either die or endure or change = Hey over half of the Chaos Gods now have a claim on this = Being Mutated means Chaos can claim you much easier than a relative baseline human."
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I mean, this is again kinda taking the Imperium at their word. Like it's just as easy to go, "Oh, the reason why even some regular mutants join chaos is because they're an oppressed underclass and Chaos offers you the chance to be the big boot stomping on everything, forever."

Like this is just really silly. If the act of changing in itself suddenly means the Chaos Gods have a claim on your soul... that doesn't actually make any sense?? Like zero sense. Because literally everyone changes because that's what growing up is about. :V
 
The Laurent said:
I mean, this is again kinda taking the Imperium at their word. Like it's just as easy to go, "Oh, the reason why even some regular mutants join chaos is because they're an oppressed underclass and Chaos offers you the chance to be the big boot stomping on everything, forever."

Like this is just really silly. If the act of changing in itself suddenly means the Chaos Gods have a claim on your soul... that doesn't actually make any sense?? Like zero sense. Because literally everyone changes because that's what growing up is about. :V
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We're going with an interpretation where "Seeing a Star of Chaos can, in fact, give you Corruption Points" based on the descriptions we've gotten so far, with one of the rewards of going Full Iconoclast in character generation is, in fact. "Actually, low level Chaos phenomena doesn't risk giving you Corruption Points so you can't get nickel and dimed bit by bit over time" here.

Now, that isn't a lot of Corruption Points, but the average person can't take many of them to begin with. The way the RPs generally handle it is that people without Fate Points can only really absorb 5-10 Corruption Points before they either become a cultist or explode into Chaos Spawn. And Mutants lean on the lower end of that scale because their body's already diverged from a stable state--so it takes a lot less Bad Vibes to cause a critical breakdown.

That's the problem. There are better solutions, but most of them are being blocked by dickish gods who are sitting on the paths to get to them, and the only ones who can try for them are the ones who are strong-willed enough (In RPG terms--have Fate Points), or those who can somehow ignore them taking a few swipes at you on the way. The best defense most people have is obscurity among the masses while being as bland and uninteresting as possible. Defense by Obscurity rather than any particular virtue in itself.
 
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Alectai said:
We're going with an interpretation where "Seeing a Star of Chaos can, in fact, give you Corruption Points" based on the descriptions we've gotten so far, with one of the rewards of going Full Iconoclast in character generation is, in fact. "Actually, low level Chaos phenomena doesn't risk giving you Corruption Points" here.

Now, that isn't a lot of Corruption Points, but the average person can't take many of them to begin with. The way the RPs generally handle it is that people without Fate Points can only really absorb 5-10 Corruption Points before they either become a cultist or explode into Chaos Spawn. And Mutants lean on the lower end of that scale because their body's already diverged from a stable state--so it takes a lot less Bad Vibes to cause a critical breakdown.

That's the problem. There are better solutions, but most of them are being blocked by dickish gods who are sitting on the paths to get to them, and the only ones who can try for them are the ones who are strong-willed enough (In RPG terms--have Fate Points), or those who can somehow ignore them taking a few swipes at you on the wa.y
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Again, this is just... really weird vibes. Human bodies change and grow. People who are born mutants don't seem like they'd somehow be more vulnerable than anyone else, unless the claim is that anyone who gets sick or has a genetic condition actually just gets Corruption points.

...and I guess you could argue that GW thinks that anyone who strays from a normative biological baseline is actually corrupt, but at that point the thing to do would be to throw out the bathwater becasue the baby is actually Baby Hitler. :V
 
To be fair in Warhammer Fantasy, Beastmen (who are technically mutants and former humans that got hit with the green moon) are Chaos aligned if I remember correctly (minus the Skaven, since they already have the Horned Rat).

Also, I might sound stupid for asking, but how come the Star Child path is called Iconoclast? Last I checked it means against religion, if anything the Star Child Cult embraces Big E's godliness more than the Imperial Cult does.
 
The Laurent said:
Again, this is just... really weird vibes. Human bodies change and grow. People who are born mutants don't seem like they'd somehow be more vulnerable than anyone else, unless the claim is that anyone who gets sick or has a genetic condition actually just gets Corruption points.

...and I guess you could argue that GW thinks that anyone who strays from a normative biological baseline is actually corrupt, but at that point the thing to do would be to throw out the bathwater becasue the baby is actually Baby Hitler. :V
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40k mutants ARE NOT real life birth defects. On the vast majority of worlds when someone says mutant they're thinking of the muttering, four armed thing with too many joints that lives in the radzone and an area where the veil is probably thin. There is a world of difference between a cleft lip and the amount of genetic/spiritual contamination that would get you classified as a mutant.
 
IronBig21 said:
To be fair in Warhammer Fantasy, Beastmen (who are technically mutants and former humans that got hit with the green moon) are Chaos aligned if I remember correctly (minus the Skaven, since they already have the Horned Rat).

Also, I might sound stupid for asking, but how come the Star Child path is called Iconoclast? Last I checked it means against religion, if anything the Star Child Cult embraces Big E's godliness more than the Imperial Cult does.
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Beastmen are literally left in the woods to die at birth when they're born. I think that this might have something to do with what happens next.

In 40k there are Beastmen who are/were actively fighting in the name of the Imperium, but let's not hold their Nazi support against them and instead note that this in fact means that they're not automatically supporters of Chaos.

Also Iconoclast is not "Against Religion" per se? Like, the original Iconoclasts were religious people who rejected the status quo theology.

The funny thing is that Iconoclast is more Heretic than the Heretics, in many ways, in that rather than believing a different God they believe in a different galaxy.

Hazeron said:
40k mutants ARE NOT real life birth defects. On the vast majority of worlds when someone says mutant they're thinking of the muttering, four armed thing with too many joints that lives in the radzone and an area where the veil is probably thin. There is a world of difference between a cleft lip and the amount of genetic/spiritual contamination that would get you classified as a mutant.
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Ah, so it's your claim that the Imperium actually has a very good understanding of Mutants and what puts you beyond the limit at which you must be exterminated as a monster or killed at birth?
 
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IronBig21 said:
To be fair in Warhammer Fantasy, Beastmen (who are technically mutants and former humans that got hit with the green moon) are Chaos aligned if I remember correctly (minus the Skaven, since they already have the Horned Rat).

Also, I might sound stupid for asking, but how come the Star Child path is called Iconoclast? Last I checked it means against religion, if anything the Star Child Cult embraces Big E's godliness more than the Imperial Cult does.
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It'd be more accurate to say that Iconoclast is less against gods and more for "This isn't about the Gods, this is about being the best we can be without needing one standing over us with a club."

An Iconoclast who makes their own God is an Iconoclast still in a bipolar universe like this where you're either a slave of the God-Emperor of Man or a slave of Chaos.
 
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