- The Jedi are not "interfering with law enforcement", they are law enforcement! They're basically space-FBI in the prequels
- Once again, you ignore scale, duration, and thoroughness to equivocate about how both Jedi and Sith are "almost as bad"
- I am saying "I have seen no canon evidence that the Separatists even claimed to be about droid rights", which you could refute easily with even one canon source in which they do. What you are asking for is called "proving a negative"
- When we are discussing the setting rather than the quality of the movies, then it is entirely reasonable to draw in other materials, you dumbass.
- Show me a scene of Grievous saying that "in The Attack of the Clones movie" (hint: you can't because Grievous doesn't appear in Attack of the Clones, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't say it in Revenge of the Sith either)
- Loving and cherishing someone is not attachment. Attachment, as used in Star Wars refers to the inabilty to let go of someone. Loving and cherishing someone is just called love, and is "Central to a Jedi's Life" (Anakin Skywalker, Attack of the Clones)
- If the vision doesn't have enough details to figure out what's going on, or if the person with the vision won't tell you what's in it, you can't fuckind do anything about it
- No, your handful of personal loved ones are not more important than the millions, billions, trillions, or however many people exist in the galaxy.
- The Jedi didn't put the two in conflict, Darth Sidious did, and if you had ever watched Revenge of the Sith, you would know this, because that is exactly how the scene in Sidious's office is set up: Darth Sidious, who intends to enslave the galaxy, asks Anakin to save him from Mace Windu, because Sidious can allegedly save Anakin's wife.
And I'm supposed to like thugs who are approved by law to meddle in law enforcement matters? There were regular, non-powered human soldiers and officials. Powers and a zappy sword doesn't make you equipped to handle law enforcement. It's kinda like saying "We're okay with giving a rookie cop a huge gun and telling him it's okay to shoot people when necessary (Like how the Jedi justify killing)" and then believing that rookie cop with his huge gun won't ever shoot anybody unnecessarily because the gun is special and we trained him super good. Jedi are not equipped to be law enforcement, they are a religious order, and should even IMO be stripped of lightsabers. If Jedi and Sith had a harder time getting zappy swords, and their powers were not given special significance, I could see liking Jedi.
Jedi are "double dipping" in Dark Side powers because they're totes hypocrites. If Mind Control is Evil then it's evil regardless of scale. If killing indiscriminately is bad, as much as I love Samuel L. Jackson's Mace Windu, he made a tactical error by threatening "100,000 Droids" with death or reprogramming.
And I just saw canon evidence that Jedi threaten to kill a whole bunch of their opponents. You know who may say something like that? General Grievous. And if it's bad when he says it, it's bad when Jedi escalate a diplomatic situation, essentially by daring the enemies to attack. Or else they will be forcibly reprogrammed. Mass mind control. The Separatist Droid Army was pretty big. He wanted to reprogram a whole bunch of sentient beings just 'cause? 'Cause he's Samuel L. Jackson? Or do the Jedi have problems with their power to meddle in law enforcement with their powers too?
Anyway, yes, General Grievous was around during the time of the Clone Wars. No, I did not say he was in the Attack of the Clones movie. But he existed and trained under Count Dooku. So nyah, if we're bringing in all these comic books and stuff, I didn't even know he wasn't in the Attack of the Clones movie, but he existed during that time, and you're the one that kept bringing up clones so what I meant was: If Separatists making a whole bunch of sentient beings just to fight for them is wrong, from what I've seen described, the Jedi made clones just to fight for them too.
I mean, I admit I didn't see Attack of the Clones, but I saw Revenge of the Sith and Phantom Menace. Please stop calling me dumbass and insulting me and being nerdy aggro or else I will fucking report your ass.
It is not reasonable to expect me to consume a million comic books with conflicting portrayals of events and personalities. If my Knights of the Old Republic sucks, so do your comics, and they're not applicable.
Then "attachment" as defined by Jedi still has problems. You don't want to let go of somebody you love by them dying. Up until Anakin was a dick and Force Choked Padme, I was with him, you can't just "let go" and watch somebody you love die. The Jedi told him to sit down and shut up while his wife died. He did choke her and is a dick, but until that point, I was with him. Love is more important than "the world" or "duty."
Yes, your loved ones are very important to you and movies frequently have heroes and heroines whose motivations are to "save the world for the people they love" because without your personal loved ones, the world ceases to exist, so if we all were happy to let our relatives die I would call that unhealthy. Jedi shun love.
I did watch Revenge of the Sith and don't ever call me "dumbass" again or else I'm reporting you. The Jedi put the two, love and duty, as opposing extremes by nature of their own philosophy that shuns real emotions. Fuck diluted "moderate" emotions. Real, raw, passionate emotions get things done. And that is a flaw of the Star Wars films.
Anyway here's a bit that says kinda what I'm looking for:
General Grievous Quote said:
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Listen to me, Jedi. I do not care about your politics. I do not care about your Republic. I only live to see you die!"―General Grievous's message to the Jedi Order
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And this:
General Grievous reveals that his fight is for Droids to live in 'a future without Jedi' said:
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An army with no loyalty, no spirit, just programming
. What have you to show for all your power? What have you to gain?
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"The future. A future where there are no Jedi!""―Obi-Wan Kenobi and General Grievous, after Grievous stated he was not a errand boy and was the leader of the droid army
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Checkmate dude. He's fighting to liberate Droids and people from oppressive weird zappy-sword-monks who think their swords and powers give them the right to act like FBI thugs. I like General Grievous.
That isn't how burden of proof works.
Neither is that. You can't make up evidence.
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It absolutely is Romantic, in the historical sense of the word. And that should be troubling, because the greatest exponent of Romanticism was Wagner, who's been effectively appropriated by fascism with the able assistance of his estate's executors.
IIRC, Maul and Ventress are from the same planet, are of different species, and neither is human.
I found quotes for General Grievous where he argues he is liberating Droids and everybody really from Jedi. So I didn't make nothing up please and thank you.
I guess you're right. I don't support fashy fashions. I do like Ventress and some of the Sith tho. I should re-examine why I suppose.
Thank you.
