Luckily no.
If anything, I think TRoS is more likely to be embraced over time, because the narrative will develop that it and TFA were how the trilogy was meant to go.
Well, now you can acclimate to it over time. At the end of the day they're about how Star Wars is, like, real cool and how Star Wars fans are the best, so I figure the fandom will eventually accept them with Rey being explained and all.You know how after the Death Star blows up Alderan, Obi-Wan dudenly freezes, hesitating, because so many lights were screaming at once, and were then extinguished.
That is how the idea of TFA and TRoS being embraced by the fandom makes me feel.
Well, now you can acclimate to it over time. At the end of the day they're about how Star Wars is, like, real cool and how Star Wars fans are the best, so I figure the fandom will eventually accept them with Rey being explained and all.
I honestly think that with Abrams, every new lead is subordinate to Ben Solo because he's tied to the old films... and that grouping includes Kylo Ren in my book.Or - and this is an alternative - or I can track down my former student and have a duel to the death with him so I don't have to think about it. That works too.
And sure, those are ways to look at the films. After all, those are the movies which have our new cast gush over how awesome and cool the old cast was; those are the films were Rey, Finn and Poe are most obviously Star Wars Fan Surrogates.
But man do I not like that. And at this point I feel the topic has been utterly exhausted, with multiple forums worths of why that is unfair to the Last Jedi, but still.
The idea that Rise of Skywalker will be rehabilitated because it was how the ST was meant to go is silly. Thats like only Season 8 of game of thrones getting rehabilitated because that was how the show was "meant" to go. It being how it was meant to go doesnt matter if the audiance hates it and it has no artistic merit.TLJ Discourse seems to have taken an interesting turn lately: the narrative is now that it's just a reskin of Empire. So yeah, no rehabilitation any time soon.
If anything, I think TRoS is more likely to be embraced over time, because the narrative will develop that it and TFA were how the trilogy was meant to go.
The ST has basically been unsure of how to balance telling a story with the old characters while passing the torch to a new generation of heroes from the start. When thats combined with how rushed the production of all these films was, it was kinda inevitable the writing would end up following the path of least resistance towards the old characters being main focus, with everyone else becoming redundant and/deadweight.Or - and this is an alternative - or I can track down my former student and have a duel to the death with him so I don't have to think about it. That works too.
And sure, those are ways to look at the films. After all, those are the movies which have our new cast gush over how awesome and cool the old cast was; those are the films were Rey, Finn and Poe are most obviously Star Wars Fan Surrogates.
But man do I not like that. And at this point I feel the topic has been utterly exhausted, with multiple forums worths of why that is unfair to the Last Jedi, but still.
The answer, I believe, is "Star Wars is space fantasy, not science fiction". Sorry to be facetious, but I don't think they went that far into justifying it.So here's a question I've always wondered.
How the fuck is Mustafar's atmosphere even breathable? Is there an answer given in either Legends or Disney continuity?
You're underestimating the hate GOT is getting nowadays I think. Perhaps it's just a product of me being in more critical spaces, but the sins of Season 8 seem to have retroactively made perception of the earlier seasons worse. People now seem to understand that GOT's problems didn't come out of nowhere, and that missteps that can be clearly attributed to the show runners—i.e., anything that isn't a relatively straight adaptation of the books—were all straws that led to the camel's back breaking once the series was forced to stand on its own without the books' guidance.My point is more that in the conventional wisdom, TRoS is held to be more contiguous with TFA than TLJ. Episode VIII is now considered to exist almost outside the continuity. And Season 8 of GoT came on the back of a series which I seem to recall most people enjoying even if I didn't - the bad stuff wasn't really talked about, I remember people acting as though the problems had arrived out of nowhere. TRoS, on the other hand, feels very much like an attempted course-correction after a despised middle instalment, and it's the hatred which will be remembered about TLJ.
I guess that figures. Still, there are different factors at play - GoT isn't playing off nostalgia for older media to reward fans of same, and like I say, none of its seasons were responding to a reviled predecessor.You're underestimating the hate GOT is getting nowadays I think. Perhaps it's just a product of me being in more critical spaces, but the sins of Season 8 seem to have retroactively made perception of the earlier seasons worse. People now seem to understand that GOT's problems didn't come out of nowhere, and that missteps that can be clearly attributed to the show runners—i.e., anything that isn't a relatively straight adaptation of the books—were all straws that led to the camel's back breaking once the series was forced to stand on its own without the books' guidance.
Eh, I'd still say you're overly cynical at the moment and overstating how reviled TLJ will ultimately be. I've made this point before, but prequel hate was so vile the fandom destroyed Jake Lloyd's life and mental health. It'll take time and maybe the right auxiliary work to rehabilitate the era, but the turnaround on the prequels shows that it's definitely possible.I guess that figures. Still, there are different factors at play - GoT isn't playing off nostalgia for older media to reward fans of same, and like I say, none of its seasons were responding to a reviled predecessor.
The problem is that the ST's focus on nostalgia pandering makes Rise of Skywalker inherently unpalatable as a whole in retrospect.I guess that figures. Still, there are different factors at play - GoT isn't playing off nostalgia for older media to reward fans of same, and like I say, none of its seasons were responding to a reviled predecessor.
I mean, no disagreement there. I was a new fan brought on board by TFA, and it was really dispiriting to have a film force-feeding me nostalgia for a film I have never loved, at the expense of characters I adored.The problem is that the ST's focus on nostalgia pandering makes Rise of Skywalker inherently unpalatable as a whole.
You come to the ST cause you loved Luke, Han and Leia? They all dead. Their kids are dead. The new republic they fought for is dead. Even fucking Nien Nunb is dead.
It's not actually an ending that someone who adored the OT can get behind. And the OT nostalgia pandering built into the ST is just not going to appeal to anyone not fond of the OT. I really don't think these are qualities that will I open the ST up to on a whole being rehabilitated in retrospect.
See, my problem here is that this presumes that there was any explicit intent in the purpose or the role of the new characters. A ST that knew what it was trying to do (make a story about the old trio's legacy more than anything else) would have likely dispensed with the likes of Poe/Finn/Rose as anything more than tertiary characters cause they don't actually factor into the main plot in the slightest. They don't actually enhance the nostalgia pandering or relate to the Kylo Ren redemption plot in any meaningful way. The problem with the new characters is not what they intended to do with them. It's the absolute lack of any meaningful intent for their place in the trilogy. They're vague half baked concepts that were shoved in without an idea of what they were supposed to do.I mean, no disagreement there. I was a new fan brought on board by TFA, and it was really dispiriting to have a film force-feeding me nostalgia for a film I have never loved, at the expense of characters I adored.
The mistake, of course, was failing to realise that those new characters were just meant to be nostalgia conduits.
The lack of an epilogue for anyone but Rey (which is there to assure us that old Star Wars is still the most important thing, not do anything for her character) also hurts the notion that anything in the new trilogy will stick except for the Sith dying... and that'll be retconned in Episode X, I don't doubt. There's no suggestion that the New New Republic won't fail just like its predecessor did, or that Rey will succeed in building a new Jedi Order.