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Magoose dice in play are exactly why might be not seeing Chewie
The Wookie might be making friends with a farm boy from Tatooine as we speak.
Star Wars An Officer and a Traitor (NO SV, you are an Imperial Officer and Traitor)
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The Wookie might be making friends with a farm boy from Tatooine as we speak.
Magoose
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Or somehow become the Protector of a certain princess?
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I wonder if she is still going to be kidnapped?
Which is why I love the defector thing. You can still have snazzy uniforms and cool looking ships but without being a fascist. Win-win.
Well, personally I don't really see much reason we would like more stormtroopers, because we are gonna largely be a garrison force, and stormtroopers, are kinda just shock troops, even before going into their culture as a group. And that's before going into the fact we are plotting to go traitor, which would make large numbers of stormtroopers risky due to the the indoctrination.
...One thing I had been possibly considering, was writing an omake inspired by Captain Jack Sparrow. Or basically a, Republic/Imperial Captain that found himself go a completely different direction due to his stance on slavery being incompatible with the Empire. Since well, Said character was a legit captain the British at one point, until he had to ship slaves, which ended with the 'cargo disappearing', and the end of his stint at a legitimate career. Along with starting a long-time fued that lasts into the movies.
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To be fair I'm not suggesting further Stormtrooper recruitment, though we might do well to reform that particular formation, what I'm suggesting is handing primacy to the imperial army instead. Then after a comfortable amount are trained up we can fool around with rounding up the ISB peeps where ever they hide.
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Trying to make the Army be the one in charge of security... as a navy officer.
In the Core worlds?
You are going to be playing with some fire my friend. Lets see how it plays out.
Honestly, the best bet is to see about setting up a more specialized formation to handle security.
While army is better than stormtroopers, that is more because stormtroopers are overspecialized and army are generalized, combined with being more personable due to different training, and culture borne from training.
Forming separate groups that are specifically trained to keep order on planets would likely be more effective in general. And having the concept spread to other sectors shouldn't be that big of a problem for the rebellion either, as palps would sideline them with stormtroopers in a heartbeat, in part because ironically, a key part is hearts and minds which would clash with the preferred policies palps would push.
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On the one hand, you're in luck: Imperial Navy Commandos and Imperial Naval Special Forces exist, which at least lets us keep things in-house.
On the other hand, given the absence of material for Imperial Army troopers (given that Stormtroopers get used on the frontlines where the stories take place), it's entirely possible there's some division of them that's made for this.
@Magoose what's the status on Imperial Marines? Are they still Stormtrooper-based or would we have a pocketful of them we could do something with?
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CorSec. They exist. Their entire reason to exist is "policing" of the system. They've got Imperial Liaison Officers.
Really all we need to do is get closer with CorSec and let them do their job while making sure that job is the one we want them doing. No need to reinvent the wheel when all we need to do is just make sure the existing one is going the way we want it to.
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THey are stormtroopers.
Yep...
Remember when I said you were reliant on local forces?
I meant it.
So. We start with a beatstick and police infrastructure like corsec.Yep...
Remember when I said you were reliant on local forces?
I meant it.
So, best path is to treat our beatstick as a beatstick, and work to help Corsec and equivalents cause first, they are likely better at their job than our assets, and should things go wrong we may face pressure to sideline them in favor of full military troops. Which, would only serve to escalate things and make it worse. While possibly collaborating with them to set up groups not fully unlike SWAT to serve as a means to hopefully deal with big situations in a way that preempts calls to replace the police.
Edit: Looking on the Wookipedia, it seems that Corsec's situation might be complicated. In the disney-verse, they seemed to have limited assets, and may have relied on imperial forces they somewhat served as an extenton of. While Legends, they were very independent, self-sustaining ful-blown sector org that carefully preserves it's neutrality in the Empire period.
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Barondoctor
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Legends CorSec feels more Corellian. "We'll solve our own problems, thanks."
On the other hand, it doesn't sound very like the Empire to just allow them to do their thing independently. Subjugating them to Imperial Service makes sense for a Fascist Power, so the Disney Version is arguably more plausible. Remember, the Empire was all about control and destroying everything it couldn't control. Letting a mostly independent force run around and do service on their soil while not integrated in their command structure sounds like something they wouldn't just let fly.
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It's a question of weather the Empire considers it worth the resource sink at the end of the day
And there's the whole federalist vs sector issues…
And if it frees up manpower, i say it exists in a reduced but major capacity.
Also Corellia had sat out most of the clone wars because of Garm being a chad so… their institutions are still, uniquely UN Sheev'd.
Barondoctor
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They had the Diktat. Governor-General, an Imperial nominee.
On the other hand it's possible WE are the Diktat.
It's possible the illusion of freedom and self governance stifles rebellion on the cheap.
Yeah, but my point is, would the Empire accept an Institution within their Empire that isn't 'sheev'ed' in one way or another?
An independent Organization like CorSec undermines their Authority, if only on a local Level, and Dictators generally don't stand for that.
Good point about this, though.
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Technically we were supposed to subvert it…
Something that hasn't happened yet.
You were saying, Baron?
Barondoctor
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In OTL, Dupas made a deal for Corellia to become a client state. So long as he provided taxes, material, and acknowledged the sovereignty of the Empire, he could govern Corellia as he wished.
Things are not that way here.
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The thing is, he managed to get a lot of autonomy for himself and Corellia as a whole.
But unfortunately, he got outplayed by papa palps and managed to get a moff governor....
Though, in his poor planning... he sent us.
I'll leave that to let you decide.
The Empire in Disney did let more 'local' police forces like the corporate cops in the early Andor show.
Of course that same org got dissolved and replaced with Imperial military after that disastrous small skirmish triggered by investigating the murder of two officers.
So, while they do tolerate some degree of outsourcing, they are very quick to disband them should they attract any kind of bad attention...
On Corellian Governance: A History of the Corellian State
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On Corellian Governance: A History of the Corellian State
(From a Corel City Community College social studies course)
In the early years of civilization, Corellia had a monarchy. King Berethon e Solo made some democratic reforms around 688 ARR (After Ruusan Reformation). The Corellian Council, composed of corporate officials and representatives from the largest cities, elected by the majority of the populace, established a Diktat who dissolved the monarchy in approximately 850 ARR.
The Council appoints the Diktat for a 20 year term. They may hold office for any number of terms, and should they die in office one of their advisers or siblings will finish out the rest of their term. They are subject to being recalled by the Corellian Council at any time.
The most recent previous Diktat was Shyla Merricope, whose term concluded in 978 ARR, who worked with Senator Garm Bel Iblis to remove Corellia from the Republic in the time of the Clone Wars via the obscure proviso of Contemplanys Hermi, which allowed it to retain its standing within the Republic while it withdrew its representation from the Republic and declined to support the Republic Military.
After the declaration of Empire in 981 ARR, Bel Iblis was compelled to rejoin the Senate and end Contemplanys Hermi. While current Diktat Dupas Thomree made promises of funding, material, and recognition of Imperial sovereignty, Moff Archibald Constantine was nominated by Emperor Palpatine for additional Imperial oversight in 985 ARR.
(From a Corel City Community College social studies course)
In the early years of civilization, Corellia had a monarchy. King Berethon e Solo made some democratic reforms around 688 ARR (After Ruusan Reformation). The Corellian Council, composed of corporate officials and representatives from the largest cities, elected by the majority of the populace, established a Diktat who dissolved the monarchy in approximately 850 ARR.
The Council appoints the Diktat for a 20 year term. They may hold office for any number of terms, and should they die in office one of their advisers or siblings will finish out the rest of their term. They are subject to being recalled by the Corellian Council at any time.
The most recent previous Diktat was Shyla Merricope, whose term concluded in 978 ARR, who worked with Senator Garm Bel Iblis to remove Corellia from the Republic in the time of the Clone Wars via the obscure proviso of Contemplanys Hermi, which allowed it to retain its standing within the Republic while it withdrew its representation from the Republic and declined to support the Republic Military.
After the declaration of Empire in 981 ARR, Bel Iblis was compelled to rejoin the Senate and end Contemplanys Hermi. While current Diktat Dupas Thomree made promises of funding, material, and recognition of Imperial sovereignty, Moff Archibald Constantine was nominated by Emperor Palpatine for additional Imperial oversight in 985 ARR.
What are the Constantinests
What are the Constantinests
The new series has introduced an interesting Schism in the Imperial forces. A product of the massive table flipping on the event Dubbed the Doctrine wars, which resulted in such a major shake-up, that once the dust settled from the explosion and some disaster control by specific elements, left a irreconcilable Schism in the Empire's military philosophy. While the Tarkanists are familiar, being the adherents and those whom tied their career to the Tarkin Doctrine, the Palps loyalists and and general politicos. The Tarkanists operate on a philosophy that is very familiar, partly because it is built around the Tarkin Doctrine, which also ensures the eternal membership of the Big gun lobby. Numbers wise, the stormtroopers are naturally a bastion of the Tarkanists. The navy is split down the middle, with the Tarkanists typically holding more of the important positions thanks to the silent support of Palps and possibly his assets. The army, interestingly enough trends more towards the Constantinests, presumably because of the culture, relative obscurity, and generally having more emphasis on effectiveness. Though, one notable Army Tarkanist, is General Maximillian Veers whom got caught rather close to the metaphorical explosion due to his tethering his career to the AT-AT.
While the Tarkanists is very familiar, the Constantinests are not. One of the big questions are what ideas are at the core of said group? Yet, it is unsure if they even have any Core doctrine yet, thanks to the fact they don't have any Doctrine to rally around, just a man who, when faced with the Tarkin Doctrine, done the neigh-suicidal move of openly questioning the doctrine written by Palp's favorite moff. This, the Scathing critique on the painfully incomplete Tarkin Doctrine is the core of the Constantinest philosophy. And for this reason, it is highly likely that the Constantinests would be far more unpredictable compared to the Tarkanists, partly because they don't base their approach on a doctrine, but on ideas. One that recognizes some crucial truths that their counterparts lack.
Their philosophy is built on balance in some ways. Shown when Constantine called out the Tarkin Doctrine's Achilles heel, it's overreliance on fear. Alongside critical points such as the importance of supply lines, crew, and simply the ability to cover the area that needs covered. These facts likely feed to one central idea, which is likely largely shared by the others. This likely leads to those with a preference for smaller ships and vehicles to trend towards this group, but doesn't preclude use of big ships or vehicles. At it's core though, it largely dismisses the sheer importance the Tarkin Doctrine gives fear, while promoting a focus on measured response that any fan knows just isn't Empire style. There is a decent chance we may find some interesting and dangrous company join their company in the future, ESPECIALLY the genius Admiral Thrawn, whom almost certainly resonated with the message Constantine said, in spite of inevitably being on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
A/N: Decided to try a little something, essentially a sheet that tries to theorycraft a bit of the new 'faction' in the Empire from a more meta view. A group, that has their central core currently formed only through a brave, and possibly slightly insane moff's logical Challenge against the official Doctrine.
Also, interesting Note. The split seems to also allows easier recruitment of the more moderate Tarkanists.
Edit: And I kinda messed up on the army section, putting Tarkinist instead of Constantinests. Cause honestly, the impression I get gives me the feeling that the Army would resonate more with the message, in part because their role is kinda more in line with it anyway, short of the armor devisions, and even then it is more likely that it would be politicos or those whom tied their career to something close to the Tarkin Doctrine like the AT-AT that would be the army Tarkinists...
The new series has introduced an interesting Schism in the Imperial forces. A product of the massive table flipping on the event Dubbed the Doctrine wars, which resulted in such a major shake-up, that once the dust settled from the explosion and some disaster control by specific elements, left a irreconcilable Schism in the Empire's military philosophy. While the Tarkanists are familiar, being the adherents and those whom tied their career to the Tarkin Doctrine, the Palps loyalists and and general politicos. The Tarkanists operate on a philosophy that is very familiar, partly because it is built around the Tarkin Doctrine, which also ensures the eternal membership of the Big gun lobby. Numbers wise, the stormtroopers are naturally a bastion of the Tarkanists. The navy is split down the middle, with the Tarkanists typically holding more of the important positions thanks to the silent support of Palps and possibly his assets. The army, interestingly enough trends more towards the Constantinests, presumably because of the culture, relative obscurity, and generally having more emphasis on effectiveness. Though, one notable Army Tarkanist, is General Maximillian Veers whom got caught rather close to the metaphorical explosion due to his tethering his career to the AT-AT.
While the Tarkanists is very familiar, the Constantinests are not. One of the big questions are what ideas are at the core of said group? Yet, it is unsure if they even have any Core doctrine yet, thanks to the fact they don't have any Doctrine to rally around, just a man who, when faced with the Tarkin Doctrine, done the neigh-suicidal move of openly questioning the doctrine written by Palp's favorite moff. This, the Scathing critique on the painfully incomplete Tarkin Doctrine is the core of the Constantinest philosophy. And for this reason, it is highly likely that the Constantinests would be far more unpredictable compared to the Tarkanists, partly because they don't base their approach on a doctrine, but on ideas. One that recognizes some crucial truths that their counterparts lack.
Their philosophy is built on balance in some ways. Shown when Constantine called out the Tarkin Doctrine's Achilles heel, it's overreliance on fear. Alongside critical points such as the importance of supply lines, crew, and simply the ability to cover the area that needs covered. These facts likely feed to one central idea, which is likely largely shared by the others. This likely leads to those with a preference for smaller ships and vehicles to trend towards this group, but doesn't preclude use of big ships or vehicles. At it's core though, it largely dismisses the sheer importance the Tarkin Doctrine gives fear, while promoting a focus on measured response that any fan knows just isn't Empire style. There is a decent chance we may find some interesting and dangrous company join their company in the future, ESPECIALLY the genius Admiral Thrawn, whom almost certainly resonated with the message Constantine said, in spite of inevitably being on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
A/N: Decided to try a little something, essentially a sheet that tries to theorycraft a bit of the new 'faction' in the Empire from a more meta view. A group, that has their central core currently formed only through a brave, and possibly slightly insane moff's logical Challenge against the official Doctrine.
Also, interesting Note. The split seems to also allows easier recruitment of the more moderate Tarkanists.
Since this only doesn't affect Emperor Loyalists, or Die Hards. No mention about either side of the divide.
Edit: And I kinda messed up on the army section, putting Tarkinist instead of Constantinests. Cause honestly, the impression I get gives me the feeling that the Army would resonate more with the message, in part because their role is kinda more in line with it anyway, short of the armor devisions, and even then it is more likely that it would be politicos or those whom tied their career to something close to the Tarkin Doctrine like the AT-AT that would be the army Tarkinists...
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Is it really surprising to anyone that the faction is named after Constantine the Great, the first official emperor who was Christian and ended the persecution.