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Cloak&Dagger said:
Which is pretty absurd on its face.

You have to wonder what the hell they're doing to people's brains to make them react that fast. Psychosis is a small potatoes and forgivable when it's impressive to think that fast for ANY amount of time without a brain turning into sludge.
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Which is an issue David from Edgerunners faced.

The only reason his Bleeding Edge Prototype Sandevistan didn't kill him is because of his apparent monster cyber tolerance, to the point I'm pretty damn sure he has divergent physio and neuro developments. But he chromed up so hard and fast that all the tolerance in the world didn't help him. That said, he hovered on the edge of Cyberpsychosis for a very long time, and even when going psycho, he still retained a hell of a lot of self-awareness.

Speedware, from everything we know, is not meant for the average person to chip in right at the start of Chroming Up. You need a developed and trained body that can handle the physical and mental strain, and very preferably you have pre-existing modifications that help your body in withstanding the stresses you undergo each time you turn one on. It's why the Kereznikov has a bad history with ties to Cyberpsychosis, because it's always on, and therefore you are always under the effects of the stress it places on the body.
 
Noxturne90 said:
Which is an issue David from Edgerunners faced.

The only reason his Bleeding Edge Prototype Sandevistan didn't kill him is because of his apparent monster cyber tolerance, to the point I'm pretty damn sure he has divergent physio and neuro developments. But he chromed up so hard and fast that all the tolerance in the world didn't help him. That said, he hovered on the edge of Cyberpsychosis for a very long time, and even when going psycho, he still retained a hell of a lot of self-awareness.

Speedware, from everything we know, is not meant for the average person to chip in right at the start of Chroming Up. You need a developed and trained body that can handle the physical and mental strain, and very preferably you have pre-existing modifications that help your body in withstanding the stresses you undergo each time you turn one on. It's why the Kereznikov has a bad history with ties to Cyberpsychosis, because it's always on, and therefore you are always under the effects of the stress it places on the body.
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The Kereznikov sounds much more legit tbh. 'We made X, Y, and Z changes to make you think faster and make your brain and body able to handle it.' Makes a lot more sense and sounds safer than a Sandevistan's, 'Turn on and zoom zoom! Survive? Maybe!'

It's the difference between a 2000 horsepower supercar and a Honda Civic with an aftermarket nitrous boost to 2000 horsepower.
 
Cloak&Dagger said:
The Kereznikov sounds much more legit tbh. 'We made X, Y, and Z changes to make you think faster and make your brain and body able to handle it.' Makes a lot more sense and sounds safer than a Sandevistan's, 'Turn on and zoom zoom! Survive? Maybe!'

It's the difference between a 2000 horsepower supercar and a Honda Civic with an aftermarket nitrous boost to 2000 horsepower.
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Perhaps. But the reason that the Sandy is considered the superior and more popular option is because the two options are very much the difference between a scalpel and a sledgehammer. Or to use your metaphor, an overtuned Supercar going at max speed every second of every minute of every hour, and and a precision tuned racer with a bit of nitro in the trunk for a boost.

The Kereznikov never stops working. You are always moving, thinking, reacting, faster then anyone or everything around you. The world around you lives in slow motion and you are on fast-forward permanently. Seconds drag on into minutes into hours like the advance of a glacier. Besides the physical and neurological stress this causes long-term, there is also the emotional and psychological stress of having to almost completely relearn how to interact with the world around you.

The Sandy is a very extreme boost, but it is also a very short one, that is also very voluntary. You can turn a Sandy on and off at will, and if you notice it's getting to you, take a break and let yourself rest and recover unlike the Kereznikov which you can't take a break from, short of outright pulling the chrome out from your body.

That said, the Kereznikov still sees use. It's the only alternative in Speedware really. But someone running a high-end Kereznikov is rare. Most people get less powerful ones, compensating for the fact it's always on with a much lower boost compared to a Sandy.
 
Noxturne90 said:
Perhaps. But the reason that the Sandy is considered the superior and more popular option is because the two options are very much the difference between a scalpel and a sledgehammer. Or to use your metaphor, an overtuned Supercar going at max speed every second of every minute of every hour, and and a precision tuned racer with a bit of nitro in the trunk for a boost.

The Kereznikov never stops working. You are always moving, thinking, reacting, faster then anyone or everything around you. The world around you lives in slow motion and you are on fast-forward permanently. Seconds drag on into minutes into hours like the advance of a glacier. Besides the physical and neurological stress this causes long-term, there is also the emotional and psychological stress of having to almost completely relearn how to interact with the world around you.
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Having a Kereznikov would be a nightmare, to be sure, but I mean from an engineering standpoint it makes way more sense. You rebuild and reinforce everything to a higher standard needed to operate that.

Whereas a Sandevistan just blasts you with far more than you have any right surviving.

Which makes the Sandevistan much more impressive since it somehow works AT ALL. You trying shoving way more horsepower into a vehicle than it can handle and parts will just snap.
 
Noxturne90 said:
The Kereznikov never stops working. You are always moving, thinking, reacting, faster then anyone or everything around you. The world around you lives in slow motion and you are on fast-forward permanently. Seconds drag on into minutes into hours like the advance of a glacier. Besides the physical and neurological stress this causes long-term, there is also the emotional and psychological stress of having to almost completely relearn how to interact with the world around you.
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I'm certain Taylor is gonna be improving on it. There is no way in hell it stays default with tinker taylor looking it over.
 
I think would get more money if she does it like a regular ripperdoc. Sell directly to the end user and install it for them.
 
ChaosTheVoid said:
I think would get more money if she does it like a regular ripperdoc. Sell directly to the end user and install it for them.
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You trust some girl you met on the internet to put you under? Even David had history with his doc. Can't speak for anyone else, no way in hell I'd let a stranger cut on me when I can buy it and take to my regular ripper.

You go trusting new people to put you out sooner or later you ain't gonna wake up.
 
klassekatze said:
You trust some girl you met on the internet to put you under? Even David had history with his doc. Can't speak for anyone else, no way in hell I'd let a stranger cut on me when I can buy it and take to my regular ripper.

You go trusting new people to put you out sooner or later you ain't gonna wake up.
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Taylor has at least 2 people who'd be willing to let her go Ripperdoc on them, maybe a whole squad.

After that, word of mouth will do the rest.
 
Cloak&Dagger said:
Taylor has at least 2 people who'd be willing to let her go Ripperdoc on them, maybe a whole squad.

After that, word of mouth will do the rest.
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Let me rephrase I guess.

I'm sure she can get customers as a ripper. But those customers aren't coming to her specifically to buy a piece of chrome she has. They'd be coming because they heard she was a good ripper.

I was more saying I don't think a random person who came to you because you had chrome they want, is necessarily going to want you to do the install.

But really it depends-- the guy I was quoting it's not really clear what 'it' is actually. Are we talking selling her dads stock, is she making original stuff, did she open a full blown clinic, etc.

Also did she get licensed as a surgeon, if not how is she convincing her initial patients she can do surgery? Even her two beneficiaries know what she did was diagnosis, not something that proves ripperdoc competency.
 
klassekatze said:
Let me rephrase I guess.

I'm sure she can get customers as a ripper. But those customers aren't coming to her specifically to buy a piece of chrome she has. They'd be coming because they heard she was a good ripper.

I was more saying I don't think a random person who came to you because you had chrome they want, is necessarily going to want you to do the install.

But really it depends-- the guy I was quoting it's not really clear what 'it' is actually. Are we talking selling her dads stock, is she making original stuff, did she open a full blown clinic, etc.

Also did she get licensed as a surgeon, if not how is she convincing her initial patients she can do surgery? Even her two beneficiaries know what she did was diagnosis, not something that proves ripperdoc competency.
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She doesn't have to prove it to those two. She saved their lives, so if she says she's qualified, she gets at least one free try.

:p
 
Damn, this is one hell of a story. Didn't expect this crossover but you've written it very well, good job, and keep it up!
 
klassekatze said:
If you haven't, go read the fallout one too! :p
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I recommend it as well. Took me a try or two to get into it just because the first chapter is a bit eh on overly long intros so I just skipped it and got going. Some of the chapters devolve a little too much into "and this is how this works" for multiple paragraphs which is fine but I'd skip/skim those here and there and go to dialogue.
 
Vrenze said:
I recommend it as well. Took me a try or two to get into it just because the first chapter is a bit eh on overly long intros so I just skipped it and got going. Some of the chapters devolve a little too much into "and this is how this works" for multiple paragraphs which is fine but I'd skip/skim those here and there and go to dialogue.
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I tried it and honestly I just wasn't into it. The writing of the different selves as their own entities and so on. I also just can't bring myself to care about the fallout universe. I like fallout fanfics that take place outside of that universe, but in the fallout world? Eh... Boring.
 
AzrielIlluminare said:
Yeah, no... Implant Rejection happens. The three big complications that can occur are:
  1. Immune Response - The body rejects the implant, causing scar tissue to continue growing to the point it causes pain and inflammation of surrounding tissue as well as possible interference with the tech's electrical circuits.
  2. Psychological Effects - Neurological implants have the potential to cause unpredictable change in the brain. Possible side effects include depression, apathy, hallucinations and sudden increases in addictive behaviors.
  3. Implant Overdependence - Long-term use of certain synthetic body part replacements can change the brain's chemistry to make it accustomed to a particular type of implant. There are reported cases of permanent blindness after patients attempted to replace their Kiroshi optical implants with different models.
That's from the in-game shard Cyberware Usage and Its Side Effects it's under the Technology section.
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But Immune Response/Nerve scaring wasn't a thing in the tabletop game 2020.

So either this is another example of the game completely being a different universe, or it's something that was changed by the game devs. I know that was a major plot point in Deus Ex, but it wasn't one in Cyberpunk.

The other two issues on that list could easily be due to badly designed implants - after all they're using the nerves to transmit signals and those could be overloaded.


(edit) Unless that's talking about the rejection only happening when the implant is first installed? I could see that, but then why would someone need to use a drug to fix that months or years later?
 
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Edifier said:
If you think about it. By the latter part of the game you're killing people in droves without care. Isn't that a lot like a cyberpsycho?
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well, V was certainly under a lot of stress over the idea that she was slowly dying because of Johnny Sliverhand, so yeah.
 
I think V as a Cyberpsyco is a mirror of Smasher as a cyberpsyco, as the two are still fairly coherent, filled to the brim with top-of-the-line cyberware and very, very good at murderizing anything that gets within a kilometer of them. V, however, still has compassion for those close to them and will go to the ends of the earth for them, while Smasher, well. 'Mercy is disgusting, humanity is disgusting' and all that.
 
I feel like it could be argued with some value that V is a cyberpsycho from the moment they wake up after being shot in the head. Seeing visions, burst of rage and loss of grasp of reality the moments when Johnny takes control. All moments where V is acting from impetus from their cyberware and not their brain. After all as far as I remember (which isn't much tbf) cyberpsychosis isn't a specific neurological condition, so much as a diagnosis for a set of symptoms with a common cause of cybernetic implants.
 
AwfulKnight said:
I feel like it could be argued with some value that V is a cyberpsycho from the moment they wake up after being shot in the head. Seeing visions, burst of rage and loss of grasp of reality the moments when Johnny takes control. All moments where V is acting from impetus from their cyberware and not their brain. After all as far as I remember (which isn't much tbf) cyberpsychosis isn't a specific neurological condition, so much as a diagnosis for a set of symptoms with a common cause of cybernetic implants.
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That would be an interesting ending, what if you got into Arasaka, killing numerous guards and workers, and V was like 'HOW DO I TAKE THIS RELIC OUT OF MY HEAD?!' and then they're like 'What's a relic? What's Mikoshi?!'

Although the everything was a delusion ending has been done to death, so perhaps not.
 
SpiraSpira said:
That would be an interesting ending, what if you got into Arasaka, killing numerous guards and workers, and V was like 'HOW DO I TAKE THIS RELIC OUT OF MY HEAD?!' and then they're like 'What's a relic? What's Mikoshi?!'

Although the everything was a delusion ending has been done to death, so perhaps not.
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Suddenly it will be revealed at the end that the inhalers vik gave us were actually hallucinogens.
 
BTW, there is a thing that I found a bit weird but forget to comment on.

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Dad kept a shotgun at home, but Mom was always against anyone having guns
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IMHO, it's more likely Annette Hebert was "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" type of feminist.
 
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True Metal Power said:
BTW, there is a thing that I found a bit weird but forget to comment on.

IMHO, it's more likely Annette Hebert was "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary" type of feminist.
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I would have to agree with this, espeically if it's in the Cyberpunk 2077 world. Obviously, this Annette would have different issues to focus on that the Earth Bet one wouldn't have thought of.

An unarmed woman would be way too vulnerable to all sorts of crimes out there, so naturally, Annette would be a big gun rights advocate. espeically because Night City and other places seem to act like it hates women, although in a completely different way than your typical misogynist. Actually, it might be more accurate to say it's like "positive discrimination" in the same vein as giving Asian, black, or whatever else people "positive stereotypes" that seem complimentary at first until you realize you're basically pigeonholing people and seriously limiting them.
like, Cyberpunk has become so sexually liberated to the point that almost everything winds back to sex itself, even most ads and the like are sexually explicit. So on one hand, you have a lot of sexual empowerment going on for women as they aren't likely to be slut-shamed or anything. But it's also twice as likely that they'll be seen as just that, sexual meat, instead of being an actual person.

So differences between the Annettes might be like this:
On Earth Bet-- Annette would be anti-gun because too many abusers tend to own guns and that's often the number one death in most domestic violence cases. She would want there to be more sexual liberation because Earth Bet is full of slut-shaming, prudish pricks.

Earth Cyberpunk-- Annette would be strongly pro-gun rights because this is literally the only way a woman can defend themselves, even if a woman is decked out in chrome. That's just how this world works. And, she would want everyone to tone down on the sexual stuff because it's taken over every aspect of life. like, she doesn't want to be one of those prudish Mormons who cover up from head to toe or demand that there be no sex until marriage. But, she wants there to be a happy medium between modesty and sexuality.
 
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