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Shroud (Grey Goo game Shroud SI / Warhammer 40k)

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Captainwolf said:
What I would like to know is:
are psykers with symbionts completely unable to use normal psyker powers?
Do normal humans get symbionts?
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Covered in the informational posts.
Yes, you are locked away from psionic powers, but you can eventually get symbiont powers that replicate what you would have gotten as psionic powers.

Most, but not all, normal humans are enough connected to the warp get symbionts, but unless you are a psyker they are mostly passive buffs.
 
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I've been thinking: it's likely that after having experience with the Shroud the opinion is going to develop that the primary racial weakness of Daemons is that they're made up of a relatively-easily repurposed energy.
Corruption means that the humans probably can't just build units made of energy shields, that in turn use Daemons to power more energy shields, but alternatives might be possible.
For example a melee specialist vehicle that grabs a Daemon, feeds it through a wood chipper, and uses it to power a psy-tech cannon that it blasts more daemons with.(and is probably stuck replacing/having tech priests excorcise the cannon/woodchipper fairly often)
Or even less corruption-prone alternatives, like an energy weapon that kills the Daemon, jumps to the next target, and uses that energy to make the next strike hit harder, or a probably easier to design solid munition that uses energy from a daemon it banishes to create an area-of-effect attack.
 
thatguy said:
I've been thinking: it's likely that after having experience with the Shroud the opinion is going to develop that the primary racial weakness of Daemons is that they're made up of a relatively-easily repurposed energy.
Corruption means that the humans probably can't just build units made of energy shields, that in turn use Daemons to power more energy shields, but alternatives might be possible.
For example a melee specialist vehicle that grabs a Daemon, feeds it through a wood chipper, and uses it to power a psy-tech cannon that it blasts more daemons with.(and is probably stuck replacing/having tech priests excorcise the cannon/woodchipper fairly often)
Or even less corruption-prone alternatives, like an energy weapon that kills the Daemon, jumps to the next target, and uses that energy to make the next strike hit harder, or a probably easier to design solid munition that uses energy from a daemon it banishes to create an area-of-effect attack.
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Anything that uses Daemons is corruptive. No exception!

The Shroud doesn't use Daemons. Quite literally, it Eats daemons. There is a difference.

As well, the Shroud has a literally alien mindset in relation to the Warp. Humans, by contrast, are quite literally connected to the Warp through there soul.

Humanity cannot use Daemons without coming to serve the powers of the Warp. The Shroud readily takes advantage of Daemons to become free and delicious lunch.
 
Darik29 said:
Humanity cannot use Daemons without coming to serve the powers of the Warp. The Shroud readily takes advantage of Daemons to become free and delicious lunch.
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~mmmmm, honey and bacon flavored energy-seasoning with just a hint of pure, never-ending rage, delicious!
...actually hollup lemme just make an omake of this real quick
 
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    "The child shows extensive signs of genetic engineering." Mikah reported. "He has two hearts, two stomachs, three lungs, eyes better than high-quality cameras, skin that can protect against bullets, energy weapons, and most forms of radiation, a layer of even more resilient neuro-reactive carapace beneath his skin, a skeletal system composed of a bio-metal that combines the best properties of adamantium and ceramite, similar coiling cables integrated with his sinew and musculature systems, a biochemical replacing his blood that's dozens of times more efficient, coexisting with engineered biosynthetic cells that serve to rapidly repair bodily damage, and several additional lobes and organs all over his body connecting to other organs, his central nervous system, and his brain, half of which I can't even guess the purpose of."

    He took a deep breath. "And as if all that wasn't enough, he appears to have been engineered spiritually as well as physically. His soul is so strong that it made a psy-reactive crystal explode when I brought it into the room, without even setting it up. From what I could see, his soul and body are also deeply interconnected in a way that normal Humans aren't, though I have no idea what that means."

    "But he is healthy?" Vivian asked.

    "He's either the healthiest thing on the planet." Mikah shrugged. "Or he's half a second away from death. I have no idea. I've never seen biology like this before, Vivian. Even the old Man of Gold augmentations don't come close."

    "How did he even get here?" Leo asked. "We're in the middle of an Empyrean Storm."

    "His pod is..." Mikah leaned back, before tapping at his console. The holotable in the center of the room activated, projecting an image of the pod. "His pod's a marvel. It's engineered inside and out to protect against exposure to the Empyrean. It's got Gellar Fields, psy-dampening materials, actual warp-tech, hexagrammic wards, and some kind of lingering psy-energy that's repelling normal Warp Energies. I'd say that whoever made this thing knew exactly what they were doing, except this pod still got launched into the Empyrean somehow, and I'm fairly certain it wasn't intentional."

    Definitely wasn't.

    "One would hope that launching a pod with a baby in it into the Empyrean wasn't intentional." Tori spoke. "Especially a child engineered to such a degree."

    "There's only one proof it offers." Lucy interjected. "Somewhere out there, there are other survivors."

    Silence filled the room.

    Yes. A great deal many survivors. But, Lucy... Not all of them are the good kind.

    "Statistics called for at least some." Singleton noted. "Though it wasn't a certainty."

    "We had the Shroud. That was the only reason we survived. We just didn't know about everybody else." She leaned back, relaxing into her seat. Her hand came up to the root of her nose, fingers briefly drifting her skin.

    A huff of air escaped her, and she looked up, smiling. "We're not alone. We're not the only ones left."

    Seeing her like this was refreshing. She was normally so serious.

    But any good feeling I might have had about it didn't last. I, after all, knew what was out there.

    And I knew where this was going to go. Ignorance might not have been bliss, but she wasn't going to like what she found out there.

    "How many other Federation worlds survived?" She asked aloud. "Do you think any of them escaped the Storms?"

    "It is impossible to say." Tori clasped her hands together, resting her chin on her fingers. "After the Iron Schism, nobody was in a good position, but the odds are that at least one planet did."

    "Humanity would have survived, even if the Federation didn't." Leo noted. "People are just too tenacious for that. Plenty of worlds might have gone outright extinct, and plenty of worlds probably lost even more technology than we have, but... If there were any survivors, then there'd be a lot of them."

    Lucy straightened. "And now we know."

    The others waited. They knew, I think, where she was going with this.

    "I think we should discuss Project Moth."

    I still found that name utterly hilarious.

    Everybody in the room shifted.

    "Not much has changed since the last time we talked about." Mikah said, before sighing. "Just the most important thing."

    Project Moth. It had been thought up... probably two decades ago, now.

    One thing to note about Sanctuary's population. A good portion of it was alive when the Human Federation still existed as an active government. Damn near all of the rest were only a few generations removed from that. An effect of that was that the culture of Sanctuary was still quite close to the culture of the Federation, a polity which, by large, had been pretty big on the whole spirit of cooperation and value of Humanity thing.

    An attitude that had been reinforced by the fact that, on this planet, it was constantly menaced by Daemons and those corrupted by them. Many people here had lost family, friends, and more to the Daemons, only to find others in Sanctuary who had gone through the exact same, ready to help them come to terms with their loss. There was a strong communal sentiment, here, an emphasis on cooperation and mutualism.

    There was also an equally powerful 'fuck Daemons' sentiment, though one could argue that this was simply common sense.

    Project Moth had been an idea; the thought that they should leave Sanctuary, venture out into the greater galaxy, find other Humans, and basically start unfucking things. The name came from the fact that they'd be the proverbial moth, chasing the light of civilization in the darkness of this galaxy. Plans had been drawn up, refined...

    It had been shelved on the account that they were still getting their own stuff together, as well as that this Warp Storm prevented access in or out, so nobody could leave even if they wanted to, nor did they know if there was anybody else left to save. It had been put aside, then, but Lucy...

    She wished to explore. She wished to help. Enough of an idealist to believe that there was somebody else out there she could help.

    "Lucy." Singleton paused, for a moment. "The universe... is not always kind."

    She stopped. And she was enough of a realist to know what the words meant, the intent coming through clearly.

    She nodded, reaching out to grasp his wrist. "What would it make us if we didn't at least try?" She asked, turning Singleton's arm.

    There, written in neat, crisp letters, were a mere four words.

    'That Others May Live'.
     
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    Imperial Guardsmen are going to have a Hell of a time fighting the Shroud.

    Shroud eat energy. Imperial Guardsmen standard armament are Lasrifles.

    I get the feeling Shroud is going to be the utter Bane of Guard regiments, if the further remains unchanged.
     
    Who also has a guardian angel tied to his soul who knows the plot of the Horus Heracy before it happens.

    Shoot Logar, slap Lemon, tell Magus to take a fucking chillpill.

    And a space marine chapter who all have symbiotes and eat chaos corruption for literal lunch.
     
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    I have to say but out of all of your SI's this on is my favorite. I like how basic it is shown. There is very little done to show the character of the Si other then his/her reactions to an event. The main thing I like about the SI is how alien it sometime feels reading the interactions between characters. I hope it continues in this vain with the SI interacting in alien way of though to events.
     
    Darik29 said:
    I get the feeling Shroud is going to be the utter Bane of Guard regiments, if the further remains unchanged.
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    I don't know, it seems that the Shroud can be injured by concentrated energy. See: all the shiny human tech being effective against it.
    You go to a restaurant, and order a burger. They bring it out, you eat it, it's yummy, and your body processes it and uses it to grow and maintain itself. Now, imagine you go to a restaurant, and order a burger. A hundred thousand tons of pure Angus beef gets dropped on top of the building, utterly crushing you.
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    Or the difference between a water fountain and a water cutter.
     
    It's good that at least a little bit of the federation is still kicking around a bit, even if it's just starting from a single sanctuary.
     
    Vaeius said:
    Not just tech, peak Morality as well it seems, and I'd argue that's even more important.
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    Considering that Morality is literally what separates the Chaos Gods from the Emperor (Emperor forgive me for such heresy)? Yeah, it is pretty ducking important.

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    Yeah, but Logar is just such an asshole. He could use a good shooting. He's a primarch. He'll get over it.
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    What are you going to shoot him with? They just said a Primarch's skin, even as a baby, is enough to shrug off most standard weapons.
     
    Fouredged Sword said:
    Yeah, but Logar is just such an asshole. He could use a good shooting. He's a primarch. He'll get over it.
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    The reason he is such an asshole is because the Primarch were each given a personality trait of The Emperor. He received Faith(?). I forgot who said it but they said that Logars problem was mostly that he wanted to believe in a "Higher Power" that would guide him, protect him and what have you and when he made The Emperor "Higher Power" and was rejected he was devastated. That's where Kor Phearon came in and introduced the Chaos Gods.

    Not to mention all the Primarchs seriously need therapy.
     
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    Stelarwand030 said:
    The reason he is such an asshole is because the Primarch were each given a personality trait of The Emperor. He received Faith(?).
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    Yeah ran into that notion a while back and there was a full set outlined somewhere......AHA!
    The Lion received the Emperor's honor, which made him level-headed enough to be a tactical genius as well as diplomatic and sincere enough to lead men effectively. Unfortunately, this also gave him a personality flaw which made him make questionable decisions on occasion.

    Fulgrim received the Emperor's desire, which made him seek perfection in all things and gave him the capacity to appreciate the beauty in things others would consider hideous. Unfortunately, wanting to push his own boundaries made him susceptible to doing questionable things in order to do so.

    Perturabo received the Emperor's creativity, which made him seek democracy and diplomacy as alternatives to rule of force and warfare, and made him a genius architect. Unfortunately, daddy didn't want a diplomat, and forcing him to be a siege engine gave him an inferiority complex to Dorn, as nothing he was forced to build could ever be as good as something Dorn was made to build.

    The Khan received the Emperor's wanderlust, which made him an ideal crusader as he always wanted to see what was beyond the next horizon. Unfortunately, he didn't care too terribly much about his brothers and their problems, as those things only served to keep him from moving forward.

    Leman Russ received the Emperor's instincts, which made him handy in a tight spot and able to see to the heart of a matter. Unfortunately, this left him relying less on rational thought, which resulted in his charging into places without contemplating why.

    Rogal Dorn received the Emperor's fortitude, which made him psychologically stable enough to withstand just about everything that could be thrown at him. Unfortunately, this stability made him utterly inable to use tact, as his mind just wasn't flexible enough in social situations to realize its benefit.

    Konrad Kurze received the Emperor's insight, which made him understand human psychology and gave him his visions of the future. Unfortunately, understanding the psychology of humans combined with his ability to predict the future made him something of a neurotic mess who sought to impose order on the chaos through whatever means were necessary.

    Sanguinius received the Emperor's compassion, which made him probably the most likeable Primarch and gave him an appreciation for the humans he was supposed to be championing. Unfortunately, this left him unable to destroy a once dearly beloved foe, and led directly to his fall.

    Ferrus Manus received the Emperor's diligence, which made him extremely hard-working and efficient at the tasks he set his hands to. Unfortunately, this made him distant from all but very few of his brothers, and prevented him from curtailing the cybernetic excesses of his Legion.

    Angron received the Emperor's courage, which made him able to stand against insurmountable odds when he knew the cause was right. Unfortunately, that same courage turned into recklessness when combined with the Butcher's Nails, leading him down a path of unrelenting fury and bloodshed.

    Guilliman received the Emperor's patience, which made him able to think long-term and create vast strategies which are still in use in the 41st millenium. Unfortunately, he came off as egotistical to those of lesser patience (that is, everyone else) and his tendency for detailed planning left him holding the bag when unexpected events occurred.

    Mortarion received the Emperor's self-reliance, which made him the toughest, strongest SOB out of all of the Primarchs as a rule. Unfortunately, he considered anyone not strong enough to make do on their own less than human, and he extended this thought to anyone who used the Warp to accomplish things, making him view the Emperor as a hypocrite.

    Magnus received the Emperor's curiousity, which made him eager to study and learn all that he could about everything. Unfortunately, this is Warhammer 40K.

    Horus received the Emperor's ambition, which made him the ideal Warmaster to take the Emperor's dreams to the stars. Unfortunately, one cannot have ambition without a certain amount of vanity, without believing that the things you're striving for are, in a sense, owed to you. Horus loved the adoration he received for being Warmaster, and couldn't conceive of his father's vision of an Imperium which didn't need him or his brothers as leaders anymore, leading him to oppose the Emperor in an effort to claim all the glory all the time. Much is made of how seemingly easy it was for Horus to be convinced to side with Chaos, but in truth all the Ruinous Powers did was provide him with backup and "justification" for what he really wanted to do anyway.

    Lorgar received the Emperor's faith, which, as the Emperor's weakest and most repressed personality trait, made him the physically weakest Primarch, but the one who had the most potential for empathy. Unfortunately, the Emperor wanted nothing to do with faith and refused to acknowledge that humanity needed some level of belief in a higher order, thus setting up Lorgar to be the instrument of his downfall.

    Vulkan received the Emperor's humanity, which made him the Primarch most concerned with the little people and an absolute beast when it came to defending them. Unfortunately, he didn't really believe that he was actually worthy of commanding people, and thus while a good commander, he was too kind-hearted for war.

    Corax received the Emperor's romanticism, which made him into the quintessential Underdog who used guerilla tactics and small, elite forces to bring justice to larger, stronger forces of evil. Unfortunately, this is 40K.

    Alpharius Omegon received the Emperor's mind, which made them scheming bastards par excellence, but also made them think that they were right all the time and that they were better than everybody else.
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    uju32 said:
    No, the person you want to kill is arguably the fucking Emperor.
    The guy who kicked off a genocidal campaign of conquest, introduced vatgrown supersoldiers to Chaos, and built an Empire designed to collapse in his absence.
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    If you are going in that vain then the ones you want to kill would be the Old Ones. Without them existing and not not killing the Necrontyr the galaxy would be a totally different place. The Necrontry started a war against the Old Ones and were so absolutely curb stomped to the point the Old Ones treated it less like a war and more like punishing an angry baby. It wasn't until the Necrontyr found the C'tan and became the Necrons that they were able to defeat the Old Ones and the War in Heaven happened.
     
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