Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

Tbh, I'm thinking of calling in Lulu for advice as to "wat do now" and restarting the countdown timer, since this is hilariously outside of the context that Amu and co know (Ami possibly excepted)

Maybe ask Midori for help phrasing things in the moment?
Unfortunately, phone service cut off long ago:
Their cellphones had stopped working five metres inside the house.
We have the ribbon to follow (probably), but leaving might be a bad idea.
 
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Apparently, Yui's done crayon drawings as well.

So there's an equal likelihood they are also hers.

If there is anything from Kana mixed in to this domain - there could be - I don't think there's any clear-cut evidence of it so far.

That's partially why I asked whether Amu can still sense Kana. If she can and it feels like Kana's right behind that door, there's a chance that the "murderer" might actually be Kana or her Shadow Self (and then the crayon shadow could be Yui's).
I wouldn't say equal, purely for narrative reasons.
We've seen that Kana's drawings are intensely emotionally charged, enough for Utau to use, and seen nothing from Yui on that front.

It's certainly not a rock solid conclusion, but I'm very much leaning towards Yui having created a bugged/error Tv World and Kana being trapped within it as a 'Channel'.

@Baughn Can we tell if the art style, so to speak, is similar to Kanas?
Actually, if we have Utau POV, what does the psychic resonance feel like? Same as the ones she Ragged Crossroad'd?
 
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We've seen that Kana's drawings are intensely emotionally charged, enough for Utau to use, and seen nothing from Yui on that front.
We have, sort of. That crayon shadow was linked to Yui in some way.
Midori dry-heaved, leaned against the wall. "That was-" she tried, but failed to say anything more.

"Yui," Amu said again, nodding her head. "Some of her."
Amu sensed that it had "some of her" in it. Whether that means it's Yui's Shadow Self, or a Cognition or her actual dream self, fragmented into multiple constructs with this one being a single piece, I have no idea. But it's from Yui, not Kana.
And I sure hope the reason we haven't sensed the other Scavengers isn't because the rest already died.
Would seem a bit anti-climactic, if that were the case. I don't think this is likely.

My guesses are either the rest of the Scavengers got lost even further inside the dream world than Kana, or they went on one of their drug raids without Kana and Yui and got captured. The latter would even explain why Yui lost control - she ran out of suppressant drugs and Naomi didn't arrive back in time to give her more, whatever Kana can do only acts as first-aid and it stopped being effective when Yui wasn't getting her regular dosage of suppressants.

.....The former being a possibility is another reason to call in Ami.

No matter how this gets resolved, the fog is probably going to vanish from the house. If the rest of the Scavengers got lost in here, the best place to start looking for them is from this cognitive location, but there won't be any more entry point at the house.

However, if Ami comes, she will know how to find it again even without an entry point at the Scavengers' house, since she's navigating there separately from where she was at before. Brute-force shutting down the domain might be a quick solution, but I don't think it would be a permanent one. I feel like there's a chance Ami might be able to offer something more effective in the longer term.

If nothing else, more information can never hurt.

[X] Utau: Ask for help
-[X] Check how long it's been since the last report to Tsumugu and send Midori back out to give him another update.
 
Once again, we see a character being embarrassed about dressing like an anime character.

I wonder if Fumi has her canon dress lying around in her closet, and she just feels too silly to wear it to work in this story.
Fumi is Fumi, and because Fumi is an absolute Fumi she not only has her canon dress, she actually wears it. The person most embarrassed by this isn't Fumi, it's Sako Makoto.

Sounds like a 2 dot Mind Control thing then?
For easy 'telepathy' of the sort Amu does, yes, though as always it depends on personal preferences and talents.

@Baughn - Can Amu currently sense Kana, or is she still out of range?
Now that's an interesting question.

She can't. Utau can, but can't point out the direction. Possibly it isn't a direction her hand is capable of pointing in.

Using the pieces of Yui laying around, can Utau invoke Ragged Crossroads to find a variant that escaped with less damage?
The closest iteration of this child that wasn't doomed to this kind of inevitable doom by Manticore?

It would help a lot to have an example-Yui that made it, rather than relying on Su's general 'wellness' and Utau's own recovery path.
With her current rating, no, she can't. You'd be searching based on a highly dynamic, barely understood situation; she'd need at least three dots in Ragged Crossroads to do that.

@Baughn At the risk of collapsing the WP wave-function, what's the WP left for our favourite protagonists present here?
Amu: 3
Ami: 2
Hikaru: 4
Utau: 6

@Baughn Can we tell if the art style, so to speak, is similar to Kanas?
Actually, if we have Utau POV, what does the psychic resonance feel like? Same as the ones she Ragged Crossroad'd?
It seems similar to Kana's, for what little that's worth, but that is to say that it looks like a child's crayon drawing. The color choices are similar. If pushed towards honesty, Amu might agree that the whole place feels more 'Kana' than 'Yui'--on basis of the darkness and general despair.

Amu doesn't know Yui well enough to guess if that might also fit Yui.
 
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Now that's an interesting question.

She can't. Utau can, but can't point out the direction. Possibly it isn't a direction her hand is capable of pointing in.
If they are in this deep and Amu still can't feel Kana, I'm guessing Utau's ability to do so is coming from her Lightsmithing.

At the very least, if there's bits of Kana mixed into this domain, Amu hasn't run into anything directly left behind by her yet. So far - at least in the terms of the Shadows they've seen - they've all felt like Yui.

Though I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out there were bits of Kana mixed in. Since I would guess that when Yui's power went amok, Kana would have been trying to do whatever she normally did to handle Yui and would've been caught with one psychic hand still stuck in her brain when everything went tits up.
 
Huh. I guess she just happened to be wearing something else on the day of the school incursion, or maybe that wasn't Fumi.
<Makoto> For the love of god, Fumi, at least wear the uniform when you're talking to the public!

And then she didn't.

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@Baughn Can we tell if the art style, so to speak, is similar to Kanas?
For the sake of a visual aid, here's one of Kana's drawings. She was in a spooky mood when she drew this one... though not a bad one.



The ones that have appeared in the story would probably break SV policy, so you'll need to make do without them. But this is the art style we're talking about.

The place you're currently at looks somewhat like this:



That isn't the art style. This is what Midori's cellphone has recorded.
 
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@Baughn - Can we get a check on what Amu is/was sensing in regards to Yui?

At the start of the excursion, Amu described her sense for Yui like this:
"It's a mind-thing, maybe," the currently-brunette suggested. "Some kind of illusion... or dream, or... something like that?" Midori got the sense she was only half-looking with her eyes, peering forwards into- whatever it was. "There's people inside. One, at least. Yui and... Kana?" Amu peered up at Utau, who nodded. "Yui's both asleep and awake, I think," Amu summarised. "I- well, I think? She feels- far away, and she's dreaming, but still bumping into her surroundings. Sleepwalking, maybe?"
Has this changed or gotten clearer at this point in time? Does Amu sense just 1 Yui in two different states of consciousness, or is she now sensing 2 of them, one awake and one asleep? Does it feel closer or at the same distance as before?

The crayon shadow felt like Yui, but did anything inside the Abandoned Laboratory feel like her? Did the 5-year old Yui feel like Yui? If so, did she feel more like Yui than then crayon figure or less? Did the clawed assailant also feel like Yui?
 
@Baughn - Can we get a check on what Amu is/was sensing in regards to Yui?

At the start of the excursion, Amu described her sense for Yui like this:

Has this changed or gotten clearer at this point in time? Does Amu sense just 1 Yui in two different states of consciousness, or is she now sensing 2 of them, one awake and one asleep? Does it feel closer or at the same distance as before?

The crayon shadow felt like Yui, but did anything inside the Abandoned Laboratory feel like her? Did the 5-year old Yui feel like Yui? If so, did she feel more like Yui than then crayon figure or less? Did the clawed assailant also feel like Yui?
You're asking for a great deal of detailed information, but Amu hasn't been in a fit state of mind to calm down and think about it, much less stand still for the minute-or-so it'd take her to work those out.

What she feels is a mental tug towards <HERE>, which has no specific valence but she's been following because she's used to following her intuition, and also doesn't feel like this place is- well- hostile to her, specifically. That still hasn't changed; she ran into a horror show, but it's more like it's hostile to... itself?

To the degree she senses Yui, it's as 'all around her, too fragmented to point out a direction', except when the shadow was in her direct line of sight. She didn't have the time or presence of mind to try distinguishing the assailant from the Yui standin.
 
Amu: 3
Ami: 2
Hikaru: 4
Utau: 6
Looks like Amu got hit fairly hard by the Chara loading / opposed Psionic effect WP costs?

Now that's an interesting question.

She can't. Utau can, but can't point out the direction. Possibly it isn't a direction her hand is capable of pointing in.
Well, then why not at least try to impose more order?

[X] Plan Productive Wheel Spinning
-[X] Utau: Ask for help
--[X] Use a cellphone to try and collect more information via RC (The crayon-drawing that moves/Fox: "How did it come to be?"), spend at most 1WP on this
-[X] Amu: "If Chara-changing and acting confident can constrain this place to make more sense, and if salvaging the pieces of Yui's mind can decrease the influence of this place, why not try and manipulate the narrative of this place by bringing what Yui has into this place through Illusion?" (Do not spend WP, ask Utau to help if WP expenditure is inherently needed)
--[X] Amu: "Utau, do you think Kana can only be found after resolving the nightmare room issue/beyond it?"
-[X] Midori: Check in again (and make sure Amu and co can still physically exit this place)
--[X] Ask if Amu and Utau think its a good idea to talk to Lulu about this for more ideas:
---[X] Direct: Explain our current situation, and ask for ideas and NOT for JPs to get involved (Might leak too much information in the scenario that JPs is connected to but unaware of Manticore's nature)
---[X] Indirect: "Lulu, this is Midori, Amu's mom, I heard from Amu that something about Ami needs to be paid more attention to, but what do the possible dangers (and safety measures to counteract them) look like, and what can we do by ourselves if one of those dangers actually come to pass?" (Might not get anything useful now, but should be safe)
---[X] Total Nonsense: "Lulu, this is Midori, Amu's mom. After what happened previously, I was doing research and came across these conspiracy theories that (insert medicine information here) does (insert wacky effect here), and that [insert description of current situation here if Midori thinks its feasible to add in]... Normally I'd ignore them, but now in the case they actually are true I'd like to ask you about them to confirm?" (Obviously does not stand up to scrutiny without an unverifiable source, but it might work more directly?)

Some help with Stunting would be appreciated: Trying to weigh our options here, and not just twiddle our thumbs while waiting for Ami/Hikaru to arrive (also so that Baughn has enough material to write a chapter around).

@Nero200 This is also intended to setup for going for your stunt if we find no better options: Experimenting with manipulating the narrative beforehand would be useful during the brute force edition (And I'm angling for Equipment/Performance/Strings dice via Ami providing Illusion 2 that way); but I'm not sure how to word things in Amu's side of things?

@Baughn, do I need to apply a Calcinator to this plan? Was going for stunt-like elaboration + not wasting time waiting for Ami/Hikaru to arrive, but if it's too much do let me know.
(The idea on Amu's end is to change the presentation of this place to something more friendly and then change the actual reality thereof, by adding crayon drawings that aren't ...those or by some other means Amu might be able to think of IC)
 
@Baughn, do I need to apply a Calcinator to this plan? Was going for stunt-like elaboration + not wasting time waiting for Ami/Hikaru to arrive, but if it's too much do let me know.
I will almost certainly be unable to implement that plan as written; it's much too detailed.

Though also, bear in mind that there's no cellphone reception in here. (Honestly, I would worry more if there was. Hum. That's a good idea. Will keep in mind for later.)
 
Some help with Stunting would be appreciated: Trying to weigh our options here, and not just twiddle our thumbs while waiting for Ami/Hikaru to arrive (also so that Baughn has enough material to write a chapter around).
Our main objective right now, at least as far as I see it, is extracting Yui and any other Scavengers trapped from this cognitive domain. To do that, we actually need to find them in the first place.

Most Persona games give your party a helpful navigator who can make a map of the area, sense Shadows and detects features of importance within a cognitive space. Persona 3 gave you Mitsuru and then later Fuuka. Persona 4 had Teddie and later Rise. Persona 5 had Morgana and then Futaba.

Right now? We only have Amu. And as this reply indicates:
You're asking for a great deal of detailed information, but Amu hasn't been in a fit state of mind to calm down and think about it, much less stand still for the minute-or-so it'd take her to work those out.

What she feels is a mental tug towards <HERE>, which has no specific valence but she's been following because she's used to following her intuition, and also doesn't feel like this place is- well- hostile to her, specifically. That still hasn't changed; she ran into a horror show, but it's more like it's hostile to... itself?
Amu is not exactly great at it. At least not while her Chara pool is limited to Ran and Su. She's just been following a vague gut feeling up until now and can't even sense Kana. The irony is, Dia would probaby be fantastic at the job given her canonical abilities - sadly, Dia is also currently on cooldown from the demon incident.

Ami's the one with the explicit Navigation skill here. So IMO, the quickest way to locate the Scavengers would probably be to ask her, in a joint-action with Utau boosting Ami's Navigation technique using her own Lightsmithing. But that can't take place until Ami arrives.

After that, what the optimal course of action is would depend on what kind of state the trapped victims are in. If Yui's main "dream self" is in one piece, we can just grab her and leg it. If she's split herself up into multiple pieces, Amu or Ami will have to "collect" the fragments and stitch them back. If Yui is trapped in the lab room, but some of the other Scavengers are more reachable and not trapped (i.e. Kana), it might be better to grab them first and then come back for Yui.

One of the reasons I'm leery about just crushing the domain outright is that, if the other Scavengers are lost somewhere further in, we might get Yui back from shutting the place down but the others will still be stuck somewhere else in the Dreamlands (I believe that's the term the QM used on Ami's profile to refer to the cognitive world accessible via Dreamwalking). And then we've lost our entry point and who knows how long it will take to find another one. Even Ami's brand of Dreamwalking still needs her to fall asleep and she has very limited ability to take other people with her - last time she tried, Amu got drunk.

The other is that it probably won't stop it from happening again. With Amu sensing that it feels "hostile to itself", it's probably a good indication that this is a result of her Persona/Shadow trying to kill her and that she's in the same boat as Strega from P3 - requires a constant regimen of suppressant drugs to keep it under control. Whatever pacification Utau or Amu tries now might substitute for a single dose of drugs, but so long as her Shadow/Persona is unstable, it's going to keep happening.

Ami might not know how to permanently stabilize a Shadow either, but if she can do a detailed scan on them like the Navigators in the games can, she'd probably have a better idea than her sister or Utau. Without more information, there's only 2 way I can think of that might be able to permanently stabilize Yui's Shadow. One is giving her the Dumpty Key the same way we gave Saaya the Humpty Lock. The other is if she had the opportunity to sit down with her Shadow directly, with backup for Amu's group to stop it from killing her while takes the time to "tame" it or negotiate with it.

The former is less-than-optimal. The latter is an opportunity we'll only get if Amu/Utau doesn't press the nuclear button on the cognitive domain.
 
The former is less-than-optimal. The latter is an opportunity we'll only get if Amu/Utau doesn't press the nuclear button on the cognitive domain.
[X] Utau: Ask for help
-[X] Try to get more information about how this place came to be using RC + Lightsmithing, keying off pictures of the Fox or the crayon-painting if needed
[X] Amu: Look around this place some more to find relevant information (like where Kana could be, for example)
[X] Midori: Check in again with Tsumugu

-[] First discuss with Utau and Amu whether to try and bring Lulu in for advice without bringing JPs in as well, or if Midori can try and indirectly glean information using Ami or "I saw this on the internet" as some kind of excuse.

Something like this? Baughn, do I need to apply another Calcinator to this version?

(Suppose if Midori leaves and she can't come back, what happens? Assuming that is an actual risk, anyway.)

The former is less-than-optimal.
To be fair, the safest option is probably to punch out the nightmare while we still have WP left (Midori's option), then come back later or whenever it reoccurs again when we can get more information via Ami/Lulu?
 
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To be fair, the safest option is probably to punch out the nightmare while we still have WP left (Midori's option), then come back later or whenever it reoccurs again when we can get more information via Ami/Lulu?
I feel like we don't have enough information to determine how useful that would be either.

If that "murderer" is Yui's Shadow, killing it will give her a mental shutdown. If we just punch it hard enough to "calm down" without killing, it might settle down - but without Yui herself there to confront it and come to a more permanent arrangement with it, it could just end up being the same end result as using psionics to directly shut down the domain. Pacifies it only temporarily, until it acts up again.

If it isn't Yui's Shadow Self but just a lesser shadow or other cognitive construct, punching it out is a waste of time and energy.... unless it's guarding a chokepoint leading further into the domain that we need to cross to reach Yui and the other Scavengers.

But we don't know whether that's the case either, because we have no navigator. They're usually the ones who would be able to say where the exit or route leading further in would be.
 
Fair enough. What do you think about the Midori write-in I'm proposing about?
Information from Lulu would be very helpful (and we have reason to believe it exists IC and OOC), but how to get it (and whether it is possible) without bringing JPs further in directly or indirectly ("Lulu, what are you doing") I'm not sure about right now.
 
It's a question of how big you want this to blow up.

Last time we called Lulu, she called JPs on our behalf. She will probably do the same thing this time, except it probably won't be JPs that turns up in the end, it's probably going to be the Shadow Operatives (Mitsuru Kirijo and her guys from Persona 3, maybe Narukami and his guys from Persona 4).

Lulu may or may not know anyone from the Shadow Operatives directly, she might just call JPs again. But Hotsuin is very likely to be familiar with them, since he recognized Amu's Shadow eyes and was evidently familiar with the fact Shadow Selves are typically aggresive and insane. The moment he hears about the cognitive fog, he will probably make the connection with the Inaba incident and then call the Shadow Operatives to handle it.

At this point you have a lot of extra people involved in the Scavengers' business and the outcome will likely be taken out of Amu's hands. Whatever the aftermath, the Scavengers are going to be left to the tender mercies of the Japanese government.

This will also likely be the case if we fail to check in with Tsumugu anyway, as he will default to calling JPs if he thinks something's gone wrong and Amu and Midori have run into trouble they can't handle.

It's -an- option. But I personally regard it more of a last resort failsafe than the most desireable outcome. This matter is sort of personal to Amu and saying the Scavengers don't like the government is, well, an understatement.
 
So it's a safe assumption that "mentioning enough things to get useful information back" => "Lulu/Hotsuin are concerned and send JPs/Shadow Operatives back" without fail?
It's not a guarantee, but I think it's likely considering what happened the last time we called Lulu.

If she doesn't, there's a good question of how much she'd be able to help. We don't know if she actually has any experience with cognitive world issues, we only know she's involved with Charas and anti-demon operations. It's a toss of a coin whether she'd know anything off the top of her head or not, at the risk of her prying further and getting concerned enough at Amu's situation to call Hotsuin again.

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On further consideration, I believe that there actually is a decent likelihood Lulu DOES have some knowledge about the Dreamlands, based on her reaction to Amu telling her about Ami's birthday present:
"Neither," Ami replied. "Ami got it in her dreams."

The silence this time was profound, and Amu found herself fidgeting uncomfortably. If Lulu had been actually here, she might've been able to sense the worry and concern radiating from her. As it was, Amu was left guessing, and the guesses were not particularly pleasant.

"You know," Lulu said, after the silence had stretched on for an unbearable length of time. "We really, really need to catch up."

"We do?"

"Mm. But, Amu, listen. If this is what I think it is, this is not a joke. You need to pay closer attention to your sister. Please."

Amu swallowed, a cold knot forming in the pit of her stomach.

"Why?" she asked, her voice a little hoarse.

"Because, Amu, this is not something to be messed with." Lulu sounded a bit frustrated. "I'm not supposed to say, but, look, I... ugh. Did I tell you, grandma got me a new part-time job? She was really not impressed by Easter. I didn't get the full story, but it sounded like some kind of scandal? Nothing you need to worry about, though. We've moved on."
However, with the level of concern she displayed over the revelation, I do also think it would cause her to panic and call Hotsuin if she heard from Amu that there was an active cognitive space fogging up a house in her neighborhood.
 
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What do you think about the "yo, Lulu, can we have part 2 of that conversation stat" plan then?
(What do I need to look out for, and what do I do if things go bad?)
......I'll put it this way, given that the last time we called her was in the middle of a demon attack, I think Lulu is going to get very suspicious about Amu calling her for any topic involving the occult, even if it's "just part 2" of a previous conversation.

That's not to say there aren't ways to try and stop Lulu from prying, if you really want to try pumping her for info while cutting her out of the loop on immediate events. The most effective way to do that I can see would actually be to not have Amu do the asking, but instead give Utau or Midori her phone and have them call Lulu and then interrogate and stonewall her in Amu's place. They'd probably do a better job of not spilling anything. Lulu might still eventually find out the truth anyway, but it might take a few weeks before she successfully pries it out of Amu later on.

Of course, "better" still isn't a guarantee. Your initial idea uses Midori do the call, but Midori is also on the verge of a breakdown and if Lulu hypes up the danger enough, there's a possibility she'll crack Midori and convince her to call JPs anyway. Utau would probably be a better holdout, but again, there's no guarantee she won't also fold. And of course, Lulu might also just refuse to say anything without being told the full situation.

Again, it's an option. Just comes with risks.
 
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There's another worry inherent in contacting Lulu, if she's just going to phone JPs.

We don't know what Manticore are presenting at being, to the government.

Are they Easter, where there's no outward sign of their psionic involvement?
Or at least black ops enough that JPs won't know that they are?
Or are they, on the books, actually meant to be doing psionic research?

Because if they are officially involved in this sort of stuff, and happen to have ran into imaginary spaces like this before, JPs might have them down as the 'experts' to send in when running into this sort of thing.

JPs are the anti-demon taskforce, so to speak, after all, not the anti-psionic-children taskforce.
 
Midori is also on the verge of a breakdown
...that's definitely true, so I guess that option has been reduced to atoms.

There's really no reason not to go for waiting if waiting isn't likely to significantly make things worse (is it? Amu can still hear the bell, but something do trees that fall in a forest make a sound something something), and if not waiting may cause us to break something important out of lack of information.
(Well, there's also the reason of not bringing a 7 year old into this situation for not waiting and doing this immediately, but that's what Empathy and Mind Control is for, right? :V)
 
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...that's definitely true, so I guess that option has been reduced to atoms.

There's really no reason not to go for waiting if waiting isn't likely to significantly make things worse (is it?), and if not waiting may cause us to break something important out of lack of information.
(Well, there's also the reason of not bringing a 7 year old into this situation for not waiting and doing this immediately, but that's what Empathy and Mind Control is for, right? :V)
My worry on waiting is that this is so far heavily based on the Midnight Channel's rules, and that had a time limit somewhere around the two week mark before it killed the inhabitant of a given Channel. They said to leave them alone for a week, and then didn't answer the phone for four days. (Not 100% on the amount of days, but its enough that I'm worrying)

And then we have to account for the fact that this isn't a proper dungeon, it seems very error ridden and Amu took part of it apart.

If Amu's precog started pining the DOOM sense today, then I wouldn't want to bet against this being the deadline.
A weather report would be useful, but they don't have a reason in character to check one.
 
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