Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

From a balance standpoint, getting that kind of easy out seemed unlikely. Had to confirm after Saaya's results, though.

If Amu gets the Lock back any time soon, she probably still tries it on Kana anyway. If she does, I wonder how it'll go.
If I had to make a guess, Amu would try and tell the Lock to revert Kana to the state she last knew her at, just like she did with Saaya. That is to say, probably from the last time Amu was lounging around at their house, before Kana ate the Phoenix.

Which could potentially result in Kana losing all the abilities like Hellfire that she gained from eating the Phoenix.

....Would that be considered a plus or a minus? .....Hard to say.
 
So according to Amu, Saaya has been mistaken about erasing parts of herself.

But this part was from Niamh's perspective, not Saaya's:
It's visible to the perception-awareness of demonkind, the twisting- flensing -of self that rewrites self-concept to better suit purpose ripples across Saaya as she nods to herself before looking back at Pixie.
Saaya "twisting" and "flensing" herself still sounds really bad. I hope that's just what it looks like through pixie-perspective.
 
Saaya "twisting" and "flensing" herself still sounds really bad. I hope that's just what it looks like through pixie-perspective.
If my suspicions about SMT demons being like Exalted Raksha are right, my guess is that the Pixie paralleled the way Saaya kept "scrubbing" bits of her personality with how Raksha change/upgrade their Graces.

In this case, if Saaya were a Raksha, it might have looked like she was messing around with dots of her Cup or Ring Grace.

But as long as her "core" Heart Grace still remains untouched, it's apparently fine.

....Huh, maybe all Chara-users are half-Raksha or something. Now I check the guidebook, it says "A Heart Grace most commonly manifests as an adamant egg". Or if it's not the users who are Raksha, maybe the Charas themselves are pseudo-Raksha. Might be why the demon Amu summoned thought Su was also a demon, they're all Raksha of some kind and smell the same to each other.
 
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I think I would have to recommend against breaking the concept of time for convenience.

That feels like a fundamental rule I can always follow. "Do not break the concept of time for convenience."

 
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Can't help but think that the last quest was on track for Amu to have 4 arms holding a object symbolizing a virtue. Luna being here would probably find that outcome funny, now and forever they're the big sister\brother.
 
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That feels like a fundamental rule I can always follow. "Do not break the concept of time for convenience."
So, just "time" is OK then, as long as it's actual time and not the entire concept of it? ....'Cuz Dia can already sort of do that when traveling the Road of Stars after all.

Also, what's Ami's compatibility rating like with her sisters' Charas?

Reading Jewel Joker, it suddenly occurred to me that a great idea for simultaneously joint-training Ami and Amu's Integrity at the same time as allowing Amu to spy keep an eye on her might be to have Ami try to Chara-Change with Ran or Su while at school (I would have suggested Miki, but that is obviously a bit difficult at the moment) and then have that Chara come back and share the memories or just verbally report back to Amu afterwards.

Given what Amu's dorm prefect at Arcana Academy said and the policy of the school, seems like it's entirely possible (if not entirely healthy) for someone who hasn't yet laid a Chara Egg to still hatch a foreign Chara Egg and even Chara-Transform with them through "hard work" and probably some amount of innate compatibility. I know Jewel Joker isn't canon to this quest, but it's not like the idea of using someone else's Charas is a new thing and I assume Ami's compatibility with her sister's would be pretty fantastic - certainly a lot moreso than some random schmuck's chances with a hand-me-down from a school stockpile.

If Amu can't be there at the school in person, piggybacking off the senses of someone who is sure seems like the next best thing.

....Well not unless, as in Jewel Joker, Ami somehow ends up so tyrannical and abusive towards Ran or Su that her influence ends up corrupting them and turning them into an X-Chara, but that seems fairly unlikely. They seem to get along pretty well, I don't see Ami being the type to up and blame Su for any compatibility issues or begin demanding more power out of Ran or anything.
 
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I haven't read Jewel Joker, but the mere fact that the school has a stockpile of Chara Eggs is deeply alarming.
Alarming? Stockpiles of eggs? Um, uh… oh hey, look at the very pretty and probably precognitive picture of Ami!
Also, what's Ami's compatibility rating like with her sisters' Charas?
Excellent with Ran, abysmal with Su. It would be okayish with Miki, but that isn't going to work and they aren't going to try it.
 
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Hinamori Ami's Grand Adventure, Pt. 2 New
Last Night

"Where exactly are we going?"

Ami spared her other half a glance. 'Acchan', as they'd come to call her, had her hands firmly planted on her hips and was glaring at Ami. Ami was, for her part, trying to work out exactly which way she was supposed to go. She needed her sword back, but this region of the Dream wasn't exactly familiar.

"Hey! Don't ignore me!" Acchan stamped her foot.

Ami winced. "Sorry. I'm trying to find a way back to... anywhere. Do you..." She turned on the spot, squinting. They were surrounded by floating, mirror-like shards of crystal that showed images of... nothing, really. Mostly just the same dark expanse of void that they were currently standing in the middle of. "Do you know where we are?"

Acchan scowled, from inside the closest of the mirrors. "I don't know anything that you don't, stupid," she said. "And I can't even help look around, because you're an idiot. Why'd you go and dissolve?" The girl's voice climbed to a wail. "What's the matter with you!? You didn't need to, I'm just- I'm-" She hiccupped, wrapping her arms around herself, her face crumpling. "All alone again."

"Hey." Ami stepped over to the mirror, reaching out a hand. It was awkward, because she couldn't touch her other half, but she gave Acchan a facsimile of a hug. "It's okay. It's not forever, right?"

"I don't know that," Acchan sniffled, leaning into Ami's arms as best as she could. "You faded, Akkun. I couldn't feel you. It was so quiet. I don't want it to be that quiet."

"It's okay." Ami rubbed her crystal's back. "It's okay. I'm here, and I'm not going to disappear."

"Promise?"

"Promise."

"Good."

They stood like that for a few minutes, Akkun holding the mirror that was holding Acchan, and Acchan slowly calming down. Ami hugging herself, strictly speaking, which worked even though they weren't touching. Eventually, though, the girl in the mirror spoke up again.

"Hey."

"Hey?"

"Can we... try again? Before we go?"

Ami nodded. "Yeah." She squeezed Acchan's image once again, then reached into the crystal. No... past the crystal. 'Acchan' wasn't real. Only one of them was real at a time, and right now that was 'Akkun'. The girl in the mirror was just her own reflection. She wasn't real, but she was there, and this was a dream, and so-

Five small fingers found five more. Ami gripped her other hand, and pulled.

Acchan didn't budge.

"Come on," Ami muttered, tugging harder. "Come on, let's do this, you want to do this, you can't be stuck there, not when- not when Amu-neechan is hurting and needs our help-"

Her hand slipped free of the mirror. Ami fell on her butt, clutching her arm. Nothing happened.

"Ami..."

"Come on!"

She thrust her hand into the mirror, grabbed the other Ami's wrist, and pushed with a dozen fingers at the dream around it. Acchan was part of her, inside of her, but also outside of her while she was here. The dream reflected who she was to where she was, and where she looked to where she wasn't, but also what she wanted to where she was and wasn't, and-

The crystal rang like a bell made of broken ice. A reflection of- a sense of reflections, a reflection that was itself a reflection. She opened all her eyes, staring at the dream while it stared at her, and something like a fog shot through with blue and violet lightning began to roil around her. She could see her own eyes, every eye, and she could see Acchan looking at her, and the dream splintering around her.

The crystal stopped being a crystal when it was all inside her and surrounded by her, but it was still outside her.

Acchan fell to the ground with a quiet 'oof', blinking in surprise. She looked up at Ami. Ami looked back.

And they blinked in unison, twice. Then, together, they grinned.

"Alright!"

"We did it!"

"Again!"

"Yeah!"

They stepped together, their arms linking, and for a moment they were a single girl with two heads, four arms and two legs- then they were two girls, then one, then two again, over and over and over until they met in a happy, only slightly delirious hug.

"Okay, okay," Akkun said, pulling away first. She grinned at Acchan, who grinned back. "Time to get going!" And then her grin faded. "Uh..."

The dream was going dark around them. One by one, the crystals disappeared. This place didn't have an exit anymore, exactly.

"I think we broke it," Acchan said.

Akkun giggled. "Whoops."

There were cracks forming in the darkness, black-on-black, like a dream of breaking dreams—which was precisely what this was, out there, past the limit of the part of the dream that was her-

"Um."

"Um."

Something splashing in the darkness. Tangled tree roots reaching up from underneath. The un-crystal that they'd been standing on became a soggy undergrowth.

A roar. Both girls perked up.

"Maybe we should-"

"Run."

"Yeah, run."

A dream of being hunted. A nightmare they'd had before, that they now understood wasn't theirs. Acchan screamed, and ran. Akkun pulled out her dagger, and ran. But the nightmare couldn't catch much hold on them. They fell into their roles naturally, of two girls fleeing from a predator that hunts in the dark, but that was a game more than a truth. Ami felt her own hand pulling on her own, and exhilarated terror warring with protectiveness, but it was hard to feel afraid when she could see both of her, and also her heart, and she could see precisely where the monster's dreams ended and her own began.

She wasn't running from it. This was a game, yes, which she was playing with her nightmare. All of them were having fun.

They ran, giggling, and leapt into the next dream.
 
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Just a small bonus while I'm fighting the Irish bureaucracy... but the next chapter is coming along. You're going to see several more of these interludes during the arc.

Thanks go to @ShadowAngelBeta and @Quickshot0 for quick beta turnaround.
 
So I assume this little Dreamwalking session of Ami's happened sometime in the past and not right now, while Amu is at JPs, as otherwise Ami should just have gotten back from school, if not still being in transit.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as an unhealthy amount of sleep, but if she's just gotten back and is immediately sleeping and does this regularly, that seems a bit too much time asleep.

Though it would probably explain how she trained her dots in Dreamwalking.

Now, Dreamwalking into the middle of other people's nightmares for fun.

That is definitely not healthy.
 
I can assure you, she does not dreamwalk into other people's nightmares. At least, she never has yet. That would be hard, and it'd be breaking the rules, and also it's kind of invasive?

But yeah, this was last night.
 
If the nightmare they were just messing around with wasn't someone else's, that's even more alarming as it means there is some splinter part of Ami's psyche that both the Akkun and Acchan sides have just decided is "not theirs" and decided to segregate off as an external "monster" with its own dreams instead.

That is also of dubious level of healthiness, quite possibly moreso than if it actually had been someone else's nightmare.
 
If the nightmare they were just messing around with wasn't someone else's, that's even more alarming as it means there is some splinter part of Ami's psyche that both the Akkun and Acchan sides have just decided is "not theirs" and decided to segregate off as an external "monster" with its own dreams instead.

That is also of dubious level of healthiness, quite possibly moreso than if it actually had been someone else's nightmare.
Maybe it's just some part of the dream world instead?
 
A nightmare they'd had before, that they now understood wasn't theirs.
It's possible it's just some quirk of the particular section of Dreamland, but this also says the exact type of nightmare has happened before. Which made it sound like either they'd been subconsciously intruding on someone else's psyche for a while (whether that someone else was just their next door neighbour or some demon parasitically trying to cosy up to Ami).

Or else it always existed as a part of Ami and now it has been firmly labeled as a "monster".

We know that Ami was apparently on her way to laying a Chara Egg and if this is part of the process, there seems a concerning possibility it could come out an X-Egg like Dia's initially did.

....Well, unless Ami's ideal secret dream is to grow up to be a monster that chases people.

In which case, there is an entirely different sort of concern to address with Ami.
 
.....Who said Ami was only gonna spawn 1 Chara?

Her sister popped out 3 eggs at once. Could well be Ami's about to lay 2.

One being Akkun. The other being this predator thing.
 
Well one could speculate such a thing, but seems like a bit of a stretch. We already know from past interludes that there is a kind of general dream world after all that you can wander about that has its own kind of dream monsters. You'd think the simplest explanation is that she annoyed one of those for abuse of the local dream area to remake Akkun.
 
The underlying metaphysics obviously don't line up, but I was assuming something along the lines of "Ami has catapulted hersel(f|ves) clear of the Vale of Dreams into the Far Marches, specifically a Domain reflecting the archetypal Nightmare Of Being Hunted". (It's In Nomine again. The Ethereal (cognitive) realm is divided into the Vale of Dreams, which is where human dreamscapes appear, and the Far Marches, which contains the Domains that are home to Ethereal spirits created and empowered by collective human belief.)
 
The underlying metaphysics obviously don't line up, but I was assuming something along the lines of "Ami has catapulted hersel(f|ves) clear of the Vale of Dreams into the Far Marches, specifically a Domain reflecting the archetypal Nightmare Of Being Hunted". (It's In Nomine again. The Ethereal (cognitive) realm is divided into the Vale of Dreams, which is where human dreamscapes appear, and the Far Marches, which contains the Domains that are home to Ethereal spirits created and empowered by collective human belief.)
In the old version of the quest, the metaphysics were based on some wonky stuff from a novel called Schild's Ladder.

We've still gotten no confirmation on whether Schild's Ladder is still a thing in this version of the quest, but bottom line is that it involved using its "Quantum Graph Theory" system as the overriding level of physics, to serve as the metaphorical glue between the different metaphysical systems of Exalted and SMT in order to facilitate the whole crossover (since Exalted's Creation was supposed to be in a wholly separate sub-universe from SMT's Amalaverse, at least in that version of the quest).

The "layers of physics" in that version went as follows (Exalted first, SMT second):
Actual physics (quantum graph theory) -> Shinmaic laws -> Essence -> Primordials, etc. -> Loom of Fate, Creation -> "Humanity".

Actual physics (quantum graph theory) -> planck-scale "lifeforms" -> Magatsuhi -> Kagutsuchi -> Earth -> Humanity?
And now.... here's my current suspicions about the metaphysics of this version of the quest.

Firstly, I'm going to make some assumptions here. The biggest one is that Schild's Ladder no longer applies, or if it does, only applies in such an abstract way as to be functionally irrelevant to the quest (i.e. no observable feat will ever directly touch upon the "Quantum Graph" layer of physics, nothing will ever get in or out of the Novo-Vacuum and if Charas were based on Exoself technology, it has been so long since anyone has ever used that name for it, there's nobody left who knows where it originated from or cares).

.....The reason I think it's safe to make this assumption is because in this version of quest, the Humpty Lock has been referred to as a "divine artefact" in the High Council interlude, with no indication of it being some Exoself-related piece of tech as we saw when Amu's Exaltation Shard communicated with it in the previous quest version.

Second, that the Amala-verse and the Exalted universe are not exactly entirely separate from each other. It might not be a "Novo-Vacuum" that they share, but I assume there is some sort of shared space between them, regardless. I make this assumption because we know the Shard appears to be physically travelling between the Exalted universe and the SMT one - the kind of journey that isn't just ripping a wormhole open, but apparently has a quantifiable movement component to it that takes a measurable (and relatively significant) amount of time.

This throwaway line:
Well, I'm pretty sure the exaltation shard already got trucked! Transit in progress, at least it's got company.
Might've only been a half-serious response to a joke about getting isekai'd, but if the Shard actually needs to hitchhike onboard the truck for any appreciable distance to get to the other world instead of just dying and instantly waking up there, there's a strong implication there exists a shared space that needs to be crossed, which is somewhat further supported by the interludes. The alternative is that God is just taking his sweet time to decide where to send the dead guy to, which I guess is still possible - it could be that Luna really could just snap her fingers and instantly teleport the Shard(s) where it needs to go and is merely waiting for the best time - but on balance of what we've seen so far, I am inclined to think otherwise.

So the 2 sub-universes are in a shared space that can be traversed - and if it's no longer a "Novo-Vacuum", then what's the shared space now?

We got some hints about what it might be in the interlude "In the distance: 0.2":
Beyond the Shinma lies the Outside.

The Outsiders have many names, and many forms. They are proscribed. To acknowledge the Outside is to invite disaster, as the slow fall of Creation has shown time and again. The most powerful among the Outsiders can be contained by the will of the gods and their followers, but the weakest have been known to slip past the watchful eyes of the Shinma and infest Creation with their poison. It was not by their hands that the Primordials became the Yozi, but it was their whispers that led to the battle that created the Wyld.
Two things to note - firstly, in that interlude, everything bounded by the Shinma was refered to as "Creation" and the interlude lumps Wyld into this. However, the Exalted guidebook on Raksha cites 2 things in the Exalted-verse that could be considered "outside Creation". The first is "Pure Wyld"/"Pure Chaos", which is bounded by exactly 1 Shinma (Advaita Iraivan) and none of the others. The other is "Elsewhere"/"Void", which is bounded by no Shinma at all.

So the shared space is either going to be Void or Pure Wyld.

In context, I think it's likely that "Outside" in the interlude here refers to "Pure Wyld" rather than "Void", with the portion of Wyld referred to in that interlude referring solely to the portion of Creation seized by the Balorian Crusade, since it references Outsiders being responsible for the battle that formed it (the Raksha Balor was beyond the boundaries of the Shinma Nirakara prior to the invasion).

Now, that still means the shared space between universes could be "Void", if it's "outside of Exalted's Outside".

But personally, I don't think it is.

Going back to the previous quest, the differences between the SMT verse and Exalted verse started past the Quantum Graph level, where the Exalted-verse was delineated by the Shinma and the Amala-verse was delineated by "planck-scale-lifeforms". But if Schild's Ladder doesn't exist, neither do any "planck-scale-lifeforms".

So what's the replacement for it here? My first guess would be, it's the "Axiom"/"Great Reason" from SMT4/5 as that's supposed to be the thing all the SMT worlds and beings in the Amala-verse comes from. However, we don't have confirmation that SMT4 is actually canon to this quest. Furthermore, the Axiom sometimes gets conflated with the Great Will and the Great Will itself also conflated with YHVH and Kagutsuchi in SMT3, which was the main SMT entry being used in the last version and probably also this one. YHVH and Kagutsuchi are pretty much straightforward villains - the equivalent of Exalted's Primordials/Yozi - and like them, Kagutsuchi already had his own tier of physics on the previous system below Magatsuhi.

So my second guess that I'm putting my money on is.... it's the Shinma. Again. Maybe a whole different set from the ones used in the Exalted sub-universe. Or maybe just one - Advaita Iraivan. Because the Shard is sure taking its sweet time traveling between universes and Advaita Iraivan governs the concept of time - it literally couldn't be taking time to travel, unless Advaita Iraivan was in effect in the shared space.

Added to that, we've also been given some warnings about breaking the concept of time, which might be more literal than it seems if the only thing keeping the SMT universe in cohesion on the level above Magatsuhi is the one single Shinma of time.

So everything else is only being kept in shape by Magatsuhi and Kagutsuchi. Outside that is "Pure Wyld", known in the Amala-verse as "Makai" or the "Expanse" and demons are literally Raksha by another name.

Which begs the question of what exactly humans in the SMT Amala-verse are, since unlike Exalted humans, they probably weren't created by the Great Will/Kagutsuchi like the Primordials created them in Creation.

My personal guess?

SMT humans are the equivalent of Exalted's Mountain Folk/Dwarves. Ex-Raksha, shackled by Kagutsuchi/Great Will for so long the nature of their existences are now substantially different from the other demons.

Well, unless you happen to be Demi-Fiend, in which case the shackles came off.
 
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The underlying metaphysics obviously don't line up, but I was assuming something along the lines of "Ami has catapulted hersel(f|ves) clear of the Vale of Dreams into the Far Marches, specifically a Domain reflecting the archetypal Nightmare Of Being Hunted".
The underlying metaphysics doesn't line up, but that's the idea I was shooting for.
 
....I suddenly realize I never actually got to saying anything about how I thought the Dreamlands fit into the whole thing while I was going on about my theory.

So here's what we know about the Dreamlands:
  1. It is the same thing as the the TV World and the realm where shadows live.
    But the answer is that, from the outside—the outside inside the TV world / shadow realm / dreamlands, that is—it's literally broken. Think of one of the labyrinths from Persona 4; it would resemble Naoto's most of all, but Naoto's wasn't a bombed-out wreck leaking shadow material from a dozen holes. It's like a building somebody shot up, teetering on the edge of collapse.
  2. It is not the same thing as Makai.
    There's the collective unconscious, and then there's Makai; they're fundamentally separate locations running on different physics entirely. Which doesn't prevent crossover, conceptual or literal, but it does mean a shadow and a demon of the same name are almost certainly different entities entirely.
  3. It is "congruent" to the Collective Unconscious.
    While Amu is capable in the waking world, Ami is a true dreamwalker. With dreams being congruent to the collective unconscious, that talent has a great deal of use, and Ami is less than a month from being seven. She's old enough to have her own hopes, her own dreams, and her own…
  4. Ami likely met the protagonist of Persona 3 while wandering around in it as she mentioned seeing someone with similar hair when she gave the shard of moonlight to Amu, which was the gift option meant to represent Persona 3.
    "I saw a boy in the dream," said Ami, without prompting. She was snuggled up against Amu, her sleepy thoughts drifting freely.
    ...
    "Mhm," said Ami, and yawned. "He had pretty hair. Like Ikuto's. Do I get my present now?"
Given all that, it's probably safe to say that the Dreamlands is exactly the same thing as the Collective Unconscious, or at least one part of it - the part where the Shadows live and breed. Deeper layers might be called something else.

In Persona canon, the Collective Unconscious is also known as the Sea of Souls or Sea of Hearts and according to Persona 3 lore, was formed upon Nyx's impact on Earth in order basically to keep a lid on Nyx's soul and stop it coming into contact with Erebus, which would've brought the rest of Nyx (read: the Moon) crashing down onto Earth to join the soul. The protagonist of P3 ended up entombing himself in the Sea of Souls to shore up the seal on Nyx.

......We don't actually know whether that bit of lore is still in effect. In the previous version of the quest, there was this little comment:
On the flip side, humanity can do exactly that right now with no metaphysical entities stirring the pot at all. The existence of humanity, per se, does not depend on the existence of a collective unconscious.

Can you have a CU without Nyarlathotep? Well, that would be telling.
Note that in the previous version of the quest, Nyx was conflated with Nyarlathotep and apparently considered an aspect of him. In this version, that is probably no longer the case as we have been told Nyarlathotep has been given a re-write:
Nyarlathotep isn't going to be the same entity it was in the last attempt at this quest, because that guy was a glaring plot hole and/or completely unwritable.
Plus, the term "Dreamlands" itself is new to this quest. There was no formal name for it in the last version, everybody just used "Collective Unconscious" to refer to areas like the TV World.

I'm going to assume that, for this quest, the Persona 3 lore is in effect and that the Collective Unconscious was the result of the Nyx's impact with Earth.

Now, we happen to know that Kagutsuchi is supposed to be responsible for maintaining the integrity of Earth and its physics in this quest. We also know he's failing recently, because of, and I quote the summary of this quest:
Physics is unraveling like a poorly knitted scarf, yanked apart by the collective psychic weight of eight billion souls.
....Which is to say, because of the Collective Unconscious.

So the obvious conclusion to draw is that: The Collective Unconscious is a festering wound in Kagutsuchi's walled garden, caused by Nyx.

Directly outside is Makai, which is the SMT equivalent of Pure Wyld except it runs on Magatsuhi instead of Essence.

Directly inside is Earth proper, where Kagutsuchi's enforced physics reign supreme.

The Dreamlands is on the borderline, the equivalent of Exalted's Bordermarches. Kagutsuchi's done its best to patch it up and block Makai from leaking in, but poke too hard and you get what happened at Seiyo Academy.

The wound opens wide and actual demons start marching in.
 
So bashing Kagutsuchi (god)head against Chaos Repelling Pattern assisted Dragon Seal will not help with keeping demons away? Not that it did in the old quest anyway.
 
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