I don't recall any objections when you took justice into your own hands regarding Ishigami or the Swimming Club, though to be fair I will grant that you bore witness to their villainy for yourself, instead of just hearing about it seconhand.
I thought I told you? It wasn't about Jotaro, it was about me. It's my stance on the matter. Also, they actually
are harming people there. No debate about it. If we left them, people is going to... well, doubt that they would really die, but at least seriously harmed, if not mentally/emotionally, then at least physically. I find it rather unfair to compare that to Gin's situation.
This is something that is doubtful if it really harmed another person, something that is very debatable in its nature, and something that we don't know the truth of. I mean, really, we are hearing this from Moka and Kurumu. Both of them are quite the airheads. It's not like we shouldn't trust our friend, but well... I'm the sort of person who'd say I trust someone, and then check again because I worries. What I want is just to not bother with it, because that's what Jotaro would do.
I mean, whose fault was it really that Aono was beaten up? It was really theirs, why couldn't they just check first? Trusting what amount to a stranger instead of your friend. All of them are at fault, it's not just one person's mistake, even if it can be directly traced to one, the root of the problem lies in everyone. Aono's inability to communicate, explain himself, and stand his ground. Kurumu and Moka's inability to not jump the gun and trust in
the one they 'love'. Gin's cowardice, perversion, and lies.
I find it rather unfair that only one person is shouldering all the blame, and this is more of the sort of complicated and annoying things that Jotaro wouldn't lift a finger on. Gone on to rant, maybe, just ignore, even more likely, but going so far as to help them? Doubt it. His motivation was also clear; he wants to test himself. But I don't think he's a prime candidate to test on. He is
fast, not
strong. Ripple gives us strength, not speed (unless one counts manga speed calcs shenanigans, but then I will lose all my respect who did that). What we'd want to test is someone that is more like Moka - strong, but not fast or overly smart. That would be the safest way without relying on another person (which Jotaro seems to dislike), as well as the most effective and efficient way.
Also, does doing something means that you can't change your attitude or fix your mistake? To quote Yukino, "Then how are people going to redeem/save themselves?"
If it was just peeping, that'd be one thing. But he's also shown to be a serial groper, too.
He did also threaten to rape Moka until she kicked his ass IIRC, although it's worth noting that the full moon makes him an even bigger sleazebag than he usually is, so it can probably safely be inferred that he'd stop before going quite that far on any other day/night of the month.
In the manga, Gin repeatedly gropes Kurumu and Mizore without their consent. He knows they don't like it, and he just doesn't give a damn. He's kind of an ass like that.
Yes, but have they ever, you know, actually
asked him to stop? Some people are simply just waiting for someone to be polite and ask nicely, sometimes even going worse simply as spite because no one ever decides to be the bigger man and be polite. Some people just want to be respected like that, and they behave in a way that is disrespectful to others and themselves because no one ever given the effort to respect them. People are complicated, acting presumptuous and jumping the gun is one of the more often ways in which one would start a conflict.
And yes, he groped people, I get it. The question is, how severe is it? Not "how often does he does it" or "where did he touched them", but more about how severe is the effect on other people. It's a bad trait. It's not something you want to enable. I get that much. At the same time, going on to beat someone to grievous harm is just going at it way too far. Also, I doubt he has enough backbone in him to actually rape someone. That's too high level of an apathy to fellow people that I just can't see someone who is 'nice' enough to fix what we had done (breaking that vent, or was it ceiling?) and not pursue revenge on us when we'd caused him harm (even if it was more his fault and wasn't your direct doing).
And besides, maybe we're taking it wrong, you know? Some people respects authority and power, but if Gin was that sort of person, then getting beaten up by Moka should fix it entirely, at least to her, no? Then maybe... just maybe, maybe what he respects, what he wants, was something else. My personal guess is that he wants to fill the void in his heart through physical contact, while at the same time fearing to move forward and finding out about how people really thinks about him (not the mask he puts on, but the real him) but how does that relates to what to do in the short-term... well, I'm not quite sure. I suppose being a friend with him and then asking him to stop or making him grow up in one way or another are the two possible way to do it, but I don't think anyone can change so fast and remain steadfast in their choice to change.
In any case, I've made my stance clear on the matter. And Chrystyking's vote satisfied me, even if I had to make a lot of compromises. I doubt it'll win, but I've voiced my arguments and beliefs on the matter. I'm satisfied even if it doesn't win, as disappointing as it would be. Though what would be more of a disappointment, is that how I'm sure that the loss isn't due to the vote's quality, but more because people are lazy and just doesn't want to go against the majority.
