Renascence: A Homura Quest

Honorifics or Western-style Titles? I've used both before, which is bothersomely inconsistent

  • Japanese Honorifics (-san, -sama, -dono, -chan, -kun, -senpai, etcetera)

    Votes: 12 33.3%
  • Western Titles (Mister, Miss, job titles, Lord, Lady, etcetera)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Use whichever works better for a given sentence.

    Votes: 24 66.7%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
[X]Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before. You don't have time to tell her any details, with Sayaka asleep in the room.
-[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
 
[X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.

Let's remove the part about not being able to talk details with Sayaka in the room, that's followed immediately by waking up Sayaka and talking details, please. (If we can't mod the vote with a write-in, then I shall swap to the provided Tell option, of course.)
Ah, also, I think we may have some spacing issues with a number of otherwise identical votes not being counted together...

But anyway, I agree that we're reaching the amount of knowledge floating around that'll get... People will start guessing if they don't already know, and proper information is better than scattered incomplete information. The moment Sayaka just had about that chair? If we don't do a clarify now, I'd give it no more than an in-universe day before she asks and guesses the truth herself. As for Madoka... if she's liable to begin investigating if we don't answer, well, in this loop that seems even more risky than usual, with hostile cats and not-cats, and Berserkers, and heaven knows what else wandering around.

And... This just feels like a right time. It fits now, and that's a rare sort of thing, I think; it's hard to find a time that feels right to tell someone something important. Here and now, we have the breathing room for this talk, and I think we should take it.

So, let's do this, then.
 
[X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
 
[X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
 
What is "everything" that you want to tell her though? Have you considered the consequences of saying literally everything at this juncture?

But anyway, I agree that we're reaching the amount of knowledge floating around that'll get... People will start guessing if they don't already know, and proper information is better than scattered incomplete information. The moment Sayaka just had about that chair? If we don't do a clarify now, I'd give it no more than an in-universe day before she asks and guesses the truth herself
?? The chair is about the dokas eccentricities that the blueberry did not expect.
Adhoc vote count started by Crow on May 31, 2018 at 1:03 PM, finished with 29 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X]Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before. You don't have time to tell her any details, with Sayaka asleep in the room.
    -[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
    [X] Don't answer.
    [X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
    -[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
    --[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
    [X] Once you get tired of reading see if youcant check up on Mami and Kyoko.
    [X]Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before. You don't have time to tell her any details, with Sayaka asleep in the room.
    -[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
    [X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveller, and that you've met before. You don't have time to tell her any details, with Sayaka asleep in the room.
    -[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
    [X]Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before. You don't have time to tell her any details, with Sayaka asleep in the room.
    -[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
    --[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
 
[X] Don't answer.

I think this would be the far more interesting answer. Then we can have Detective 'Doka POV try and piece everything together and we get to keep our mysterious transfer student streak going.

Plus telling her makes Homura nervous.
 
What is "everything" that you want to tell her though? Have you considered the consequences of saying literally everything at this juncture?


?? The chair is about the dokas eccentricities that the blueberry did not expect.

Re: "everything": ... a fair point about needing a bit more clarity of direction there.

[] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
---[] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.

Any thoughts on this? Someone- things that we oughta detail include for how to do this? Or- @Higure would we be able to request a break to vote after we see Madoka's and Sayaka's reaction to only the "time traveler who has met them before" part, or after they start asking questions?

Either way, I want to at least explain the being a timetraveler, even if not the full extent of things. I don't really think mystery subplot is particularly safe, and poor communication or lack of communication is already kinda of a thing that kills in PMMM. Even if we don't go far into every-everything, the timecycles will hopefully answer enough questions (and give them enough to think over) that they won't go flailing around for more information without telling us. "On the other hand, she will gain an ally in your machinations, within reason" sounds pretty good to me, about the default vote option for Tell.

Re: Chair: The chair that has our color scheme and clockwork motif, to which Sayaka's reaction was given the description

Sayaka glances from the chair, to you, and back. Her expression…you'd like to call it nervousness, but you can see her fear for what it is. A realization that there is something strange happening. The expression of someone watching the ground vanish beneath them.

The chair that was then directly tied in the narration

Madoka started buying that chair a long time ago. She buys it every loop, and it's always the one she offers you.

to the timeloops and the fact that Madoka is changing and growing through the loops, even if she doesn't remember it.

I don't think the chair, or the reaction to it, was just "Madoka that was unexpectedly weird, what". It feels like more than that.
 
[X] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[X] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
So, here's the thing: Homura isn't ready for a tell all, and she's extremely reluctant to tell Sayaka about this, due to potential consequences and difficulty trusting the blueberry's judgement (or predicting her reaction). She also doesn't fully trust Sayaka to keep her mouth shut.

I won't veto this, but understand that Homura's going to be far less open about everything if Sayaka's involved, and isn't willing to go in depth regarding what has happened during the actual loops (even if it were just Madoka).

Edit: ...and you ninja'd me about "everything."
 
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Re: "everything": ... a fair point about needing a bit more clarity of direction there.

[] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
---[] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.

Any thoughts on this? Someone- things that we oughta detail include for how to do this? Or- @Higure would we be able to request a break to vote after we see Madoka's and Sayaka's reaction to only the "time traveler who has met them before" part, or after they start asking questions?
Sure, we can do that.

Re: Chair: The chair that has our color scheme and clockwork motif, to which Sayaka's reaction was given the description



The chair that was then directly tied in the narration



to the timeloops and the fact that Madoka is changing and growing through the loops, even if she doesn't remember it.

I don't think the chair, or the reaction to it, was just "Madoka that was unexpectedly weird, what". It feels like more than that.
Sayaka would be used to "suddenly, personalized chairs" by now, yeah. There was more to it than that.
 
[x] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[x] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
---[x] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, a time looper, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time around. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.
--[x] Break to vote after we see Madoka's and Sayaka's reactions to this information, or after they start asking questions, as appropriate.

Here we go then. Hope everything looks in order.

This answers "where are you getting your intel", "why do you seem so much older than you're supposed to be", "why do you seem to be familiar with people you have only just met", "why others (e.g. Madoka) may find you unexpectedly familiar", and probably a few others.

It may raise "wait did you know I would react to x in y way, are you manipulating us", "why are you time looping/time traveling", "how well did you know us in other timelines and what do you know about us", and "how long have you been doing this". Also raises questions about our present activities, but preparing for Walpurgisnacht without going into details is a perfectly reasonable thing to be doing even without directly mentioning the specifics of our wish, anyway.

... er wait hellshit, uh, were we trying to keep security on this intel from Cubes? Like, the time-traveller part? I do not remember, I'm going to go check and add to this post as relevant but- Given that "tell Madoka we're a time traveller" was a default option, Homura isn't presently "Kyubey is constantly surveilling us and should never learn about my time looping", and this vote doesn't actually include any information more sensitive than that, given that 'the universe going funny' is something Cubes can probably just straight-up see itself...
 
[x] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[x] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
--[x] Have her wake Sayaka up so you can explain everything at once.
---[x] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, a time looper, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time around. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.
--[x] Break to vote after we see Madoka's and Sayaka's reactions to this information, or after they start asking questions, as appropriate.
 
I'm a bit reluctant to join the write-in. I could see trusting Sayaka with the knowledge if that's as far as it went. Homura, to the likely surprise of her past self, has gained many reasons to trust the blueberry throughout this loop. But I don't think Sayaka can rightly be trusted not to blab, or not to ask compromising questions. The risk of information getting out that will hurt Sayaka's sanity is high -- at least, higher than I'd like. Even if she gives up on asking Homura, what if she asks Nanoha? The latter will probably keep quiet but she's quite likely to show it on her face that she knows something Sayaka doesn't.
 
[x] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[x] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
---[x] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, a time looper, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time around. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.
--[x] Break to vote after we see Madoka's reaction to this information, or after she starts asking questions, as appropriate.

I think it's better to wait until Sayaka comes to ask us/figures it out herself. There's a... you're only prepared to know when you start questioning it yourself kind of vibe going on here with this.

There's also Homura's comfort to consider. Sayaka is very supportive, but that's an exception for how she usually is for Homura.
 
[x] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[x] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
---[x] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, a time looper, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time around. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.
--[x] Break to vote after we see Madoka's reaction to this information, or after she starts asking questions, as appropriate.

Let's break down the flood of information on separate people, with different degrees of secrecy, at different times.
It'll be easier to handle revealing new secrets and managing the shock and further questions coming with it.
 
Okay, reread everything to be sure, but yeah, we've been using timestop freely enough while Cubes has been around, been willing to ask him what was up with the attack on Mami's apartment. Spoken aloud with Oriko obliquely about time-things and this time around going weird (in 'Housing Troubles and an Unpredictable World'), enough such that something astute enough would put 'time traveler' or some variation together out of it. For that matter, our "we've lost too many that way" while Kyubey is talking to Madoka ('Akemi at Law') is, given the rest of the context, also likely to give Cubes the idea that we've experienced more than linear time could suggest. Plus all the words we keep spilling that seem to know people we shouldn't know. And of course the level of intel we're sharing, as the setting keeps on going wild. (Of course, this doesn't rule out someone coming to the conclusion that we've experienced some sort of shared dream state adventure, or experienced a localized compressed time of experience, or an extended precognition of some sort, or simply have some sort of passive power that erases all traces of our passing.) Basically, the fact that we've dropped enough clues that Kyouko and Sayaka are well on their way to determining something is up timewise with us, and what, means that worrying about Cubes putting together/learning that we're a time traveler at this point is very much shutting the barn door when the horses have already got out. Mostly. Or, it's not the weirdest thing at this point, I think?

Hm. Hopefully our weirdness gets bundled up together with all the other mayhem, actually. The question is, from a metatemporal perspective, as all the fragile universe stuff been happening for the entirety of the length of the timeline we're in now, since the fragile shift happened between loops? Or was this present timeline perfectly reasonable until we looped in, and then fragile was applied to the interstitial space between universes and times, only affecting those sections of timeline that are non-determinisitally known to match up in parallel with the time characterized as after we've looped in? That is- Kyubey declares Berserker and the White Creature, and Nanoha, and whatever's up with Sayaka, to be anomalies. This suggests that this timeline hasn't been juggling the glasses and flatware the entire time the Incubators have been observing Earth, at least, not visibly like it is now. Even with the weirdness that is this entire timeline, though? Or- mwargh, need to go back and check about some of that. Still. I'm very interested to know what Kyubey thinks of this entire mess, and whether it's actually helping keep the Incubators' attention off of Homura's weirdness, considering she very clearly has no idea what's causing the larger cosmological weirdnesses that I think they may find more interesting?

tl;dr It doesn't look like telling Madoka and Sayaka about being a time traveler is much worse for our information security as it's already been, as long as we're discrete about the details. Also, I have no idea what the Incubators are even thinking about the recent anomalies, and I have many questions about the metaphysical and metatemporal state of the universe we're in.

Also, one of the hostile cats has been in timestop, so we can assume any entity behind them would know about it- and of course, if the Large Number Of Cats are hostile because of something Homura has done and something Madoka has done, there's a nonzero possibility they're already aware of the timecycles, and possibly are here because of something that happened in one. Speaking of cats, dubious segues, and shuffling around the points of this post a whole lot:

I've thought of more things to ask about the cats and the White Creature. Well, some clarifications to pin down about the former, some new thoughts about the latter. Unfortunately, the former means this is both long, and, uh. Repetitive Precise Thorough. Okay yeah, this is actually obscenely long, @Higure, feel free to tell me to cut it out if this ever actually gets to be over the top, I just feel like there's something staring me in the face that I can't quite see the shape of, and I keep trying to pin it down.

For context: Earlier cat related truths:

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Renascence: A Homura Quest | Page 367

For the following blue truths, let us define the following:

"Associated with" is defined as "under the control of, controlling, allied with, an enemy of, directly influencing, or directly influenced by".

"Large number of black cats" is defined as "a number of black cats or entities that appear to be black cats that the people Homura overheard in the ice cream shop believe is a statistically anomalous large number for Mitakihara". When used as a noun, it refers to this group of cats as a unit.


The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, knows that Homura is a time traveller.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, is hostile towards Madoka because of some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, is hostile towards Madoka because of some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, has some reason to be hostile towards Homura.


(Note to myself that if the truth immediately above is confirmed true: expand over the entire 'reasons this could be so' list for confirmation.)

The large number of black cats know that Homura is a time traveller.

The large number of black cats have some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The large number of black cats are hostile towards Madoka because of some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The large number of black cats have some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The large number of black cats are hostile towards Madoka because of some action(s) taken by multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The large number of black cats have some reason to be hostile towards Homura.


(Note to myself that if the truth immediately above is confirmed true: expand over the entire 'reasons this could be so' list for confirmation.)

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment was targeting Mami.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment knew (or knows) that Homura is a time traveller.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment attacked because Homura was there.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment was killed.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment is dead.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment has some reason to be hostile towards Homura or any other human/Magical Girl that does not stem from fear of humans/Magical Girls or perceived threat to itself.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment has some reason to be hostile towards Homura that does not stem from fear of humans/Magical Girls or perceived threat to itself.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment is hostile towards Homura.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment has some reason to be hostile towards Homura that stems from some action(s) taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment is hostile towards Homura because of some action(s) taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment has some reason to be hostile towards Homura that stems from some action(s) taken by an instance or multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment is hostile towards Homura because of some action(s) taken by an instance or multiple instances of Kaname Madoka.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka.


(Note to myself that if the truth immediately above is confirmed true: expand over the entire 'reasons this could be so' list for confirmation.)
(Also confirm about instances/multiple instances if necessary.)

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, knows that Homura is a time traveller.

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, is responsible for the disappearance of the body of the beast killed in Mami's apartment.

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, is associated with the beast killed in Mami's apartment.

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, is associated with the entity responsible for the disappearance of the body of the beast killed in Mami's apartment.

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, has some reason to be hostile towards Homura.


(Note to myself that if the truth immediately above is confirmed true: expand over the entire 'reasons this could be so' list for confirmation.)

Amy is associated with the black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop.

Amy is associated with "the large number of black cats".

Amy is associated with the white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment.

Amy is associated with the entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been.

The black cat with blue-gold eyes, that Homura saved in front of Madoka and Sayaka and Kyubey this loop, has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s), taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura and/or Kaname Madoka, that was taken for, because of, or in relation to Amy, or some reason that stems from the impact of such (an) action(s) upon Amy.

The large number of black cats have some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s), taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura and/or Kaname Madoka, that was taken for, because of, or in relation to Amy, or some reason that stems from the impact of such (an) action(s) upon Amy.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment, has some reason to be hostile towards Homura that stems from some action(s), taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura and/or Kaname Madoka, that was taken for, because of, or in relation to Amy, or some reason that stems from the impact of such (an) action(s) upon Amy.

The white beast fought and assumed killed at Mami's apartment, has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s), taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura and/or Kaname Madoka, that was taken for, because of, or in relation to Amy, or some reason that stems from the impact of such (an) action(s) upon Amy.

The entity from which originated the tuft of black fur, that Homura found where the beast killed in Mami's apartment should have been, has some reason to be hostile towards Madoka that stems from some action(s), taken by an instance or multiple instances of Akemi Homura and/or Kaname Madoka, that was taken for, because of, or in relation to Amy, or some reason that stems from the impact of such (an) action(s) upon Amy.

Kyubey already knows that Homura is a time traveller.

The Madoka of this timeline has been dreaming of past timelines.

The Madoka of this timeline has been dreaming of past timelines Homura has experienced.

The Madoka of this timeline has been dreaming of past timelines Homura does not remember experiencing.

The Madoka of this timeline remembers her dreams of past timelines.

... ahem, anyway.

... uh. Uh. Waitasec. Uh. Has just been reminded that Madoka may well have been dreaming of past loops. At the least, it's not out of the question. Like, in canon, she dreams of loops that had been. Whatever the time model we're using in Renascence... I am suddenly quite concerned about what Madoka has been picking up. For that matter, in Renascence, Homura has been looping for far longer than in canon. Madoka is Madoka is Madoka, but... It's been long enough that, whatever was leaking through in canon, has had a lot more time to come through clearly, now. (Also, it's interesting to note that Madoka's chair-circle-thing, whatever is up with that, seems to either predate the loops, or else have been caused very, very early on.) But like, all of Madoka's dialogue from that latter bit of the chapter. It just... I am very interested to know if she's been having just as strange dreams as Homura, or what exactly she's been absorbing, through time.

... anyway again.

I'm a bit reluctant to join the write-in. I could see trusting Sayaka with the knowledge if that's as far as it went. Homura, to the likely surprise of her past self, has gained many reasons to trust the blueberry throughout this loop. But I don't think Sayaka can rightly be trusted not to blab, or not to ask compromising questions. The risk of information getting out that will hurt Sayaka's sanity is high -- at least, higher than I'd like. Even if she gives up on asking Homura, what if she asks Nanoha? The latter will probably keep quiet but she's quite likely to show it on her face that she knows something Sayaka doesn't.

I'm losing track, what intels are there that we gave Nanoha that Sayaka doesn't have? We Witchbombed and Litchbombed Madoka, and Sayaka was literally there, so it can't be those. Nanoha doesn't know about the time-travel; we'd actually have more to worry about Sayaka letting Nanoha in on that than anything else. Overall, I think Sayaka can be trusted not to blab information that might hurt people or be a security risk- it's just that yeah, she'd investigate things. But what are the items we're trying to stop her from learning, this time around? (Not rhetorical questions; participating in a lot of quests and reading a lot of fanfic and trying to write some things means I'm losing track of who knows what info...)

Re, Sayaka questioning things... As I said, I'm getting the feeling that she's going to ask, sooner than later. And I'd rather control when the conversation happens. She already knows a lot, enough to put together a lot- more than I'd remembered, before I reread things.

... hm though. Nnnnn... @PurposefulZephyr while your point about breaking up the conversation is somewhat convincing me, a concern: Sayaka literally being asleep in the room while we appear to still be wanting to spill details to Madoka. The default vote literally does contain deferring the talk of details because Sayaka is in the room. At least a part of my concern, aside from trying to talk details at this moment, is that even revealing things in a general sense, Sayaka will overhear, and be upset we didn't tell her. Of course, her asking about that would be a good point to talk it over with her separately.
 
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... hm though. Nnnnn... @PurposefulZephyr while your point about breaking up the conversation is somewhat convincing me, a concern: Sayaka literally being asleep in the room while we appear to still be wanting to spill details to Madoka. The default vote literally does contain deferring the talk of details because Sayaka is in the room. At least a part of my concern, aside from trying to talk details at this moment, is that even revealing things in a general sense, Sayaka will overhear, and be upset we didn't tell her. Of course, her asking about that would be a good point to talk it over with her separately.
Good point, but easily fixable.

Homura can ask Madoka to whisper, since Sayaka doesn't know.
Or they can leave the room for the duration of the confession, maybe take a sneaky walk to the kitchen for some snacks? Or walk to the toilet to brush their teeth? It's laaate, after all.
As for the most secure option- take Madoka into a timestop, at least during the most revealing bits.

All those approaches can be combined, or we can simply ask Homura to watch out for Sayaka overhearing them, then use her own judgment on how to do that.
 
Good point, but easily fixable.

Homura can ask Madoka to whisper, since Sayaka doesn't know.
Or they can leave the room for the duration of the confession, maybe take a sneaky walk to the kitchen for some snacks? Or walk to the toilet to brush their teeth? It's laaate, after all.
As for the most secure option- take Madoka into a timestop, at least during the most revealing bits.

All those approaches can be combined, or we can simply ask Homura to watch out for Sayaka overhearing them, then use her own judgment on how to do that.

All would be reasonable, yes. I would kind of want to see all that reflected in the vote, though? And no one voting for the idea seems to be editing to reflect that, is part of my concerns.
 
[x] Tell Madoka you're a time traveler, and that you've met before.
-[x] Make sure Sayaka won't overhear your confession. Whisper, leave the room, or even use the time stop if necessary.
-[x] Ask her not to tell anyone else, for now. You know you can trust her to keep your secret.
---[x] "everything" being, the fact that you're a time traveler, a time looper, that you've met them before, and that things are weird this time around. Not the full depth of your experiences or specific loops. Not the exact reason you're looping; not your wish.
--[x] Break to vote after we see Madoka's reaction to this information, or after she starts asking questions, as appropriate.

There, a Sayaka-proof confession.
I am having second thoughts of not telling Sayaka about the time stuff, however.
In the end, we want to tell everyone we trust about our secrets, if only to see their reaction to it, find out who's safe to reveal herself to, and who's better off left in the dark. We'll lose by playing it safe, after all.

We don't want Cubes to find out, but I guess that means we should leave out the secret giveaway for end of the loop, where there isn't as much time to find out and screw Homura over.
 
So uhh, am I supposed to edit my previous post to that vote? I can do that, right?

I'm also a bit afraid that later on, we're gonna take that "lose by playing it safe" thing too far and just die or something. :V
 
Also, it's highly unlikely that this loop is going to be the final loop.
Oh god no. We already missed the Golden Ending for this loop at the very least, one of which is almost certainly not getting all the Sayaka memories, and we still have no idea why everything is falling apart on a technical level.

Oh no. We are going to be looping again.

... That's one thing we need to ask Yuko about anyway. The uh... falling apart thing I mean.
 
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