[X] Follow them in secret.
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NegativeJ
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That being who the fuck would/could imprison her at this point? Especially depending on where the shooting were to occur, especially If it happens at Terminal Dogma. Basically anyone finding out would require Rei's execution to be public.
Gendo being MIA would set off alarm bells, but nobody would suspect Misato. Seele might start suspecting one of their own did something. Before the puppet that is Misato.
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Unfortunately, we can't kill Gendo.
Without him, NERV is bound to become a UN (i.e. SELEE) puppet.
But for now all of this is only a speculation.
We have to wait and see, what Misato finds out.
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The big advantage of Terminal Dogma is that is is *very* secret. It's where NERV hides their darkest secrets, and damnably few people ever go. If we decide to escalate to deadly force? That is one place we could get away with it. I am not advocating for it, but it could become a decision we make.
[X] Follow them in secret.
[X] Follow them in secret.
Recruit Ritsuko. If we can get her to turn on Gendo, we have 2/3* of the people necessary to (maybe even bloodlessly**) stage a successful coup.
My hopes for the near future: catch Rits before she kills Rei. Convince her not to do it. Have Rei pretend to be her own re(i)placement. (How are we gonna hide Rei's injuries? Dunno yet. Maybe use the reiquarium as a spare-parts supply?)
*The third and hardest being Fuyutsuki. He has conspiracy and bureaucracy knowledge we need. Hope he's become very fond of Asuka, because I don't know any other lever we might have on him.***
**Ha. As if.
***We should probably meet with him soon, sound him out.**** Asuka's going to have a hard time for the next while, if he cares it'll be easier to spot.
****Thinking maybe we should hit Kaji up, learn some basic spycraft.
Recruit Ritsuko. If we can get her to turn on Gendo, we have 2/3* of the people necessary to (maybe even bloodlessly**) stage a successful coup.
My hopes for the near future: catch Rits before she kills Rei. Convince her not to do it. Have Rei pretend to be her own re(i)placement. (How are we gonna hide Rei's injuries? Dunno yet. Maybe use the reiquarium as a spare-parts supply?)
*The third and hardest being Fuyutsuki. He has conspiracy and bureaucracy knowledge we need. Hope he's become very fond of Asuka, because I don't know any other lever we might have on him.***
**Ha. As if.
***We should probably meet with him soon, sound him out.**** Asuka's going to have a hard time for the next while, if he cares it'll be easier to spot.
****Thinking maybe we should hit Kaji up, learn some basic spycraft.
Hit him with a fire extinguisher, right in the kneecaps.
It might not help the situation but the cartharsis would feel good.
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I wouldn't go quite that far, but if Misato tries to stop Rei 2 from being replaced, pretty much the only way she isn't getting executed, imprisoned, or at best transferred to Antarctica's custodial team is by successfully pulling off a coup. And she probably would've had a better chance of pulling off a coup if she shot Gendo during debriefing.
It's possible someone (Kaiji?) could rescue Misato from prison, and I assume something would happen to prevent a Game Over, but unless Misato gets thrown in a cell for two weeks until Gendo's paternal methodology
You are making a lot of assumptions about Misato's ability to assassinate Gendo (and probably some of his high-ranking cronies) without being detected, then hide the body (or bodies), all while in the Geofront, which is under intense surveillance and full of Gendo's lackeys due to NERV's reaction to a spy scare we had back in March.
If we don't make those assumptions, Misato would be imprisoned by the NERV goons who realize she just killed the Commander. Maybe we could delay that fate if we got Shinji in the robot, but it wouldn't help that much unless Misato took drastic action.
I'm not sure whether suspecting Ritsuko is doing something unusual would be in-character, and very unsure whether intervening at this time is wise.
[X] Do not.
That said, right now I'm being outvoted 26 to 3. So I encourage people to continue brainstorming ways Misato could intervene without tasting NERV jackboot.
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In TV/EoE rules, Teh Rei has a narratively appropriately vague continuity of self through her bodies, with the 2 to 3 connection being stronger than the 1 to 2 connection. It's not a Ship of Theseus thing at all; whichever one of the Ree that has a soul is Teh Rei.
In any case, she wouldn't be Gendo's perfect anything if we go by the show, as one of the first things Rei III does is attack Rei II's security blanket of Gendo's warped glasses without really understanding why. She's then unenthused around him in the one or two TV shots where they're together, then fucks off to go to Shinji when Gendo gives her the bad touch for the sake of human evolution
The Rebuilds play with this by making Rei Q act differently and get really confused when her Ayanami-ness is called into question, since she actually is the doll that becomes a real boy fandom thinks Rei Classic is. Rei Classic and Rei Q are distinct entities because Reasons.
E: Also, there's a chance Rei doesn't get a hollowpoint retirement plan. They could just brainwash her, like TV-spec floated for Shinji when he pulled his first runner
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What Akagi and Fuyutsuki? Those are the only ones in the know that could ever find out and do something.
While the Geofront and Tokyo 3 are heavily surveilled, they have an issue of secrecy. Only Gendo, Akagi, and Fuyutsuki know about certain locations and can access certain locations.
What are you on? Why the fuck would we put Shinji in the easiest-to-disable place? They would increase the pressure and knock him out. Gendo will not kill Rei anywhere that is not fully private. As such why the fuck would we take the risk of making this affair public. It would be for the best if Gendo were to go MIA under Terminal Dogma and we deal with the corpse(or corpses if Akagi and Fuyutsuki don't play ball) later.
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The problem is we lack information to make a specific plan, but to spitball a bit...
- Option one would be that this isn't what we think it is, and Gendo's just spooking the kid. Shit, but we don't have to do anything, and if we're questioned we can go "hey she was acting pretty fucking worried and I have a duty of care to her".
- Option two is it is a replacement, but we can talk our way out of it one way or another. This is long-term a bit dangerous, but safe in the short-term.
- Option three is it comes to a fight, which has too many variables to predict. If we survive, what happens afterwards depends on the situation.
- If Misato and Rei survive (either dying is a game over IMO), but so do Gendo, Ritsuko and Fuyutsuki with all three being hostile, it's a running fight to Unit 00 and trying to unfreeze it so we have a basically-unstoppable combat asset to negotiate with. This gets tricky. Variations on this include defectors from Gendo's side who die, or Gendo having some sort of back-up option to get NERV security on us if he dies.
- If we have defectors (Ritsuko or Fuyutsuki, though neither is certain), but Gendo gets away, similar plan but with context-dependent twists.
- If people defect, and the only survivors are on our side, time to clean up and get NERV on side before SEELE puts in a puppet.
- Finally, if Misato and Rei are the sole survivors, similar to above but with less certainty. Which, seeing as that's a very vague plan as it is, is a problem!
I don't expect any confrontation to take place in public, for the simple reason of "then Misato wins the PR war", but whether or not goons are present is another matter. This does make a fight more dangerous, but I'd argue we're having this confrontation at some point anyway...
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The security guards??? NERV is not literally three officers, a scientist, and the pilots. There are lab assistants and secretaries and engineers and accountants and nurses and plushie salesmen and IT guys and interns and stuff. Most of those won't have security clearance to literally enter the room where Ritsuko (???)s Rei, but if Misato tries to coup d'etat Gendo or something, she's going to make a lot of noise and get interrupted by the people whose job is to prevent couping d'etat.
Wow, uh. I think I'm going to call this one.
Please wait warmly while I work on the update(s). I have a lot of text I need to prepare for this. Like. 10k words big? It will be divided over multiple updates. And don't worry, it's not anything bad like a game over or something like that. But it will take longer than usual.
Please wait warmly while I work on the update(s). I have a lot of text I need to prepare for this. Like. 10k words big? It will be divided over multiple updates. And don't worry, it's not anything bad like a game over or something like that. But it will take longer than usual.
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None of them matter, they can't do anything. Section 2 is neutered when it comes to anything below ground. And everyone else is kept in the dark like mushrooms. Most of them won't even notice Gendo is gone until the next Angel attack. The MAGI basically manages and keeps the lower leveled employees like Misato in the dark like good little mushrooms.
Ritsuko is complicated. It's literally a 50/50 shot with her. Depends on if she feels like fucking the man or killing him at the moment. She knows way too much and basically Rei can get her to murder Gendo in rage.
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Uh-oh. Last "not a game over" is what got us here. O_O
On the other hand, this is at least going to get us ~10k words of cool writing soon - whatever happens, it'll at least be interesting (and probably not an extended game over through doom spiraling)?
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No, it is one of the interpretations. The interpretation that they are different people but have memories imprinted is also valid, because this was left vague there.
But it is irrelevant to the situation at hand.
Actually, if all would happen in Terminal Dogma or Reiquarium, he is right if we talk about the fight itself. Of course, what happens after is a completely different animal...
There are exactly four people (at least alive) who know about Terminal Dogma or Reiquarium: Gendo, Fuyutsuki, Ritsuko and Rei. Five if you include Kaji (he knows about Terminal Dogma, but I doubt he knows about Reiquarium).
There are no security guards, and if any surveillance is even there, it is private to the Triumvirate.
This is not an assumption. This is a canon fact.
If you do not believe me, watch the show.
Well, technically this is true...
Wow. Let's wait then.
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This is a buck-wild claim.
First, the idea that Gendo Ikari does so little that no one would notice he had stopped doing stuff for weeks. He doesn't meet with the average grunt, but you can't lead an organization NERV's size without meeting with upper-middle managers every day, or at least sending some emails from his personal account. (He probably didn't write his password on a post-it note.) At the very least, the command staff would notice, and there's approximately zero chance that we could convince all of them to go along with our Weekend At Gendo's routine.
Have kids these days heard of Weekend At Bernie's?
Second, the idea that Misato would even get a chance to try Weekend At Gendo's.
I would be shocked if Gendo didn't have at least one or two bodyguards nearby under normal circumstances; he's the leader of an international stop-the-apocalypse military organization. I'd be even more shocked if he didn't decide to increase his personal security for at least a day or two after a core NERV employee declared her intent to murder him and some other high-ranking NERV personnel. At the very least, he'd order Geofront security to pull overtime shifts. And whatever extra security measures he's implemented, Misato's debriefing wouldn't exactly encourage him to call them off.
Misato is not Yor Forger; she's not even Loid Forger. She could probably overpower Gendo if she caught him by surprise. She could not overpower his bodyguards.
But let's look at the arguments used to support this claim. (Well, technically arguments used to support the conclusion implied by that claim.)
...this is where my Eva ignorance kicks me. I don't know what Section 2 is, and I can only find two places on the wiki where the phrase "section 2" refers to something in-story and not how the Anima light novel or an archived interview were split up. They're not helpful.
So, I have no idea why this argument would be relevant, let alone whether it's true.
So, this is just kinda asserting that no one would notice that Gendo was killed. And the argument is that Gendo keeps everyone at NEV in the dark and MAGI manages everyone.
First off, Gendo isn't a shadowy power behind the throne. He's a shady power on the throne.
He keeps people in the dark about what he's doing and the reasons for his orders, but he doesn't hide his existence or the fact that it's him giving the orders. Maybe Gendo's secrecy would make fewer people care that he vanished, but it won't do much to support our Weekend At Gendo's routine.
Second off, handwaving and saying the AI did it feels like a cop-out. It's not even a cop-out supported by the Quest; Gendo gives orders to Misato directly, and many of those orders are "Deal with these subordinates that I don't want to handle today". If he talks to high-ranking officers directly, and directs low-level employees to said officers, who does the MAGI handle?
Third, we know some officers meet with Gendo on a regular basis. I'm not just inferring from the scale of Gendo's duties; I assume he doesn't just meet with Misato, Ritsuko, and Fuyutsuki, but we know he meets with them. Even if you don't think NERV security exists, dismissing the odds of them blowing Misato's cover is not something you can dismiss by saying "What Akagi and Fuyutsuki?"
Fourth, Gendo's management style is completely irrelevant if NERV security exists. Which it does. Misato has ordered them around in the past. Gendo can order even more of them around.
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In the show, Section Two are a bunch of shady men in black who work for NERV. They're seen shadowing EVA pilots, investigating security breaches, etc. I don't actually know their exact jurisdiction within NERV, but for the purposes of this conversation, "NERV security" and "Section Two" can be considered interchangeable.
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Thanks for the information.
I assume one of the Sections is allowed to stand outside Gendo's office?