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Rei Ayanami Raising Project

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TNO said:
Not so simple.
First it's partially Eva-00, therefore it is partially Lilith. Which is not your "ordinary life", but something with much more power, but this is a minor thing.
Second, it is partially Azrael, therefore it probably has some Adamite resiliency, and we can reasonably assume that Angel's abilities work different on angelic flesh, than normal Lilith-derivative one.
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The chapter we just got given confirmed that most of the Evangelions ARE made from Adam. It's Unit-01 that is the odd one out that was made from Lilith:
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Moreover, there's also the issue of Unit-01. It's not a clone of Adam, it's a clone of Lilith instead.
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So if this Angel's disintegration gimmick works on Evangelion flesh and the scythe is part Evangelion flesh, it will probably work on the scythe too. Regardless of whether we're talking about Adam flesh or Lilith flesh.

Now, it's possible this Angel's gimmick doesn't actually work on Evangelion flesh at all. But something tells me we're not going to get that lucky.
 
I definitely feel like we should go pretty heavy on ranged weapons here. Those bird skulls seem like the most likely critical/core locations and melee combat seems fraught at best. There still could be some value to it if we can ground it or unbalance it such that one end gets into melee range, so I'm not entirely opposed to idea of sending one unit with a melee weapon but I'm afraid we run the risk of that unit being dead weight until we force the Angel into a position where they can contribute... and if we can't....

I think in terms of how strongly I feel about deployments, from most strongly to least strongly, it'd go...

Deploy Unit 03 with either the Sniper Rifle or Positron Rifle - we just had Hikari work with these two weapons and were told she's a decent shot. We're also told that Unit 03 is not very mobile so I'd lean towards the Sniper Rifle and hope we can deploy her to a sniping position at the start of the fight and hope (lol) that the Angel doesn't have a devastating counter prepared for a sniper. because if it does at best we probably have Hikari useless for the rest of the fight if she can escape her sniper nest. Worst case she's doomed because she can't evade.

Unit 02 - Ranged. We're told Unit 02 still has some flexibility issues and that could be particularly deadly in close combat if she has to try and dodge. Probably leaning Positron Rifle here but open to other options.

Unit 00 with the Scythe - I'll admit I'm a bit nervous at giving her that but Rei being deployed means things have gone very bad and that seems like our strongest weapon.

Unit 01 - idk really. We could go all ranged here or we could give him Smash Hawks if we think we want a melee option. Though to be honest I'm not sure if engaging the "bristles" will be helpful so I keep imagining it more as a "can Shinji climb up a building and make a high risk jump attack on the shaft? Even if we can do that is it a good idea?"
 
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Solark said:
Are we even sure it has an AT field?
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Are you willing to bet it doesn't?
And if it does, the positron rifle should get at least some amount of energy through, as it happened before.
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This is a better argument.


[X] Equip Rei (standby) with: SEM Crossbow MM-144
[X] Equip Shinji with: Positron Rifle Mk. 20
[X] Equip Asuka with: Positron Rifle Mk. 20
[X] Equip Hikari with: Sniper Rifle

[X] Do not deploy Unit-03
 
[X] Equip Rei (standby) with: SEM Crossbow MM-144
[X] Equip Shinji with: Sonic Glaive
[X] Equip Asuka with: Positron Rifle Mk. 20
[X] Equip Hikari with: Sniper Rifle

[X] Do not deploy Unit-03
 
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GreatWyrmGold said:
Are you willing to bet it doesn't?
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Nah, I just want to keep the kids away from it and soften it up good before (if?) they have to go melee. Also having melee-Shinji (anyone) between ranged-Asuka (with her wonderful mood and sync rate) and the Angel might be asking for a friendly fire incident to happen.

Alcor said:
I definitely feel like we should go pretty heavy on ranged weapons here. Those bird skulls seem like the most likely critical/core locations and melee combat seems fraught at best. There still could be some value to it if we can ground it or unbalance it such that one end gets into melee range, so I'm not entirely opposed to idea of sending one unit with a melee weapon but I'm afraid we run the risk of that unit being dead weight until we force the Angel into a position where they can contribute...
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All EVAs are equipped with progressive knives as their secondary weapon, so going melee is not off the table even with strictly ranged loadouts. I wouldn't mind some brutal knife action. Guns for show, knives for a pro!
 
Solark said:
All EVAs are equipped with progressive knives as their secondary weapon, so going melee is not off the table even with strictly ranged loadouts. I wouldn't mind some brutal knife action.
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Going melee with a Progressive Knife is absolute point-blank and guarantees being enshrouded by the cloud.
Using a polearm or at least something with a longer handle gives a chance to avoid it, even in close-combat (I suppose it depends on pilot skills).
 
Personally, I would mind brutal knife action against the Angel covered in Murder Red paint. A glaive's haft will probably weather Murder Red better than an Evangelion's hands. Gauntlets are hard to waterproof.
 
Thinking some more - actually how confident are we that the Azrael Scythe is immune to the "destroys all biomatter" effect of the "paint?" The Scythe is described as a mixture of Unit 00 and the 13th Angel's flesh and bone. Maybe the 13th Angel's end holds up because "Adam" but the Unit 00... may not? Ritsuko seems to be advising us that Evangelion flesh wouldn't. I figure that at some point it's going to be blasting it everywhere, possibly even explosively, so that's something to watch for.

Edit: Ah, I forgot this point was brought up before but it probably bears some repeating.
 
On the one hand, going full reaper-man and shredding the bristles with the scythe sounds dope as fuck. On the other hand, it probably is a bad idea and shouldn't be encouraged.

I actually think we should set up Unit 03 at range; that's the safest place for Hikari to be (short of sitting the action out entirely). Actually, I'm sort of wondering whether it might be possible for us to just kite this thing to death if we set up the Evangelion's just right, or if it's just going to ignore any bullets we throw at it.
 
Probably depends on the state of the respective AT fields. If the angel's is down and the EVA in question isn't the one negating that/is able to keep its own up, I think it'd probably peotect like the armor (if nothing else than because it wouldn't be able to touch them).
 
I still think we should save the living scythe for an Angel that doesn't destroy living things on touch. That just seems like an obviously terrible and easily avoidable type matchup.
 
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Zophiel II: Der Engel der Schönheit (con't) New
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    [X] Rei: SEM Crossbow MM-144
    [X] Shinji: Sonic Glaive
    [X] Asuka: Positron Rifle Mk. 20
    [X] Hikari: Sniper Rifle

    You figure it's best to keep your pilots as far away as possible from this thing. You have no idea what it can do to Evangelion flesh and frankly, you don't want to find out.

    [X] Do not deploy Unit-03

    You think hard on it, and you decide not to send Hikari out there. Her Eva unit is in no condition to fight and the last thing you need is to sortie her off the back of a disastrous operation and then have her get injured again, or worse. Hikari is predictably, not okay with this. She insists you send her out. She doesn't want to sit on the sidelines again. Besides, it'd just be two pilots out there without her! You tell her she's on standby with Rei, end of story. It's an order. Hikari falls silent.

    Asuka says it looks like it's just her and Shinji, huh. It's a nice change of pace. She sounds almost relieved. She's going to make sure the other two on standby don't need to launch. She doesn't need them, because she's not going to lose. As for Shinji, well. Just…don't embarrass her out there. Shinji grumbles and asks her to stay focused on getting through this.

    Asuka's mood sours when you reveal she'll be on ranged attack while Shinji gets to fight up close. What, she's gotta back him up? But she's easily the best close-combat fighter of all of you. Why does she have to hang back while Shinji does all the work? She can handle herself. Why are you like this? You have no time or patience for this. You quickly and tersely explain to Asuka that given Unit-02's condition, you think it's best she avoids getting up too close in case she needs to dodge. Besides, she's going to be using the most historically effective long-range weapon against it, so it's not like you're just asking her to sit on her hands. Asuka says fine, whatever, still not happy about this.

    MOVEMENT I
    ~Cangiante~    ​

    The Angel has reached the west perimeter of Tokyo-3. Its speed has increased, and it ignores your automated defenses entirely, painting over the few in its way. The liquid is viscous and hinders the movement of the turrets. If it got stuck to an Evangelion, it would be very hard to remove. It starts gliding over the tops of the buildings on the western edge of the city, dying them deep crimson. The coat is inexplicably even and clean, right down to the sidewalks and streets, despite the bristles not quite touching the ground. It paints a couple of city blocks at a time. Talk about painting with a broad brush. You and your team watch with anxiety as the trees along the sidewalks crack apart and quickly disintegrate into a fine red cloud that hangs in the air. The "paint" appears to dry fairly quickly after finishing its terrible work.

    Something you notice that you didn't initially is that in the gelatinous body of the Angel, there are loose, disconnected, vaguely cylindrical bonelike segments floating haphazardly in a line between each of the three heads. The segments have intricate edges.

    [ ] Instructions for Shinji: (write-in)
    [ ] Instructions for Asuka: (write-in)
     
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    • I really don't think engaging this thing in melee combat will work for us. It's above the buildings, so there's no way to get at it except from below- where the horrible bristles are.

    I'm not sure if it passing overhead and painting the Evangelion will be an instant berserk, but it's pretty obviously a huge threat in close-combat.

    Also, let's not repeat the incident where we put an Evangelion under an Angel we intended to shoot down.

    If it has a strong AT field, we might have to get in close. We should try and fire a probing shot with the positron rifle first though- there have been Angels with weak AT fields in the past before.

    Any ideas for contingencies in case that doesn't work?

    We could try to position Shinji on the rooftop of a tall building so he can stab it, but the Angel might just fly up over him instead. We could also try having him leap onto the main body from above and drive the glaive into it, but the glaive is noted as being explicitly not something you should use to brace an entire Evangelion's weight on.

    We still have the positron knife, but if it cuts through the gelatinous body without resistance, he'll be kinda screwed. Ditto if he misses his jump and falls under the Angel.

    Also, the main body is described as being long and thin, so it might not even be viable to hold onto. Blegh.
     
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    We can have Shinj go poke the paint before it disolves, and see if him approaching from the rear distracts the angel. Asuka should shoot it.
     
    Yeah, for the moment, i think have Shinji circle around behind while Asuka puts a shot through the center mask. Shinji trying to either do meaningful damage or simply draw attention to make it change course. Buy a bit of time.

    She is firing up at an angle, so we dont need to worry overmuch about Unit 01 crossing into the line of fire.

    I dont think severing the tendrils is going to do much for us here. They are translucent, so the odds they are hiding the core is unlikely, even if it could in theory be positioned within the cylindrical 'bones' inside the tendrils. And there are a fuck ton, so trying to remove its 'weapons' will take all day.
     
    I think we should use the fact that "painting" in one directional. From the back it is relatively safe. If Shinji will keep moving, so he is continuously stabbing Angel in the back, this should work. Almost funny, if the Scythe would be perfectly viable from this position without any risk of destroying the weapon.

    I think this razorwire inside may keep cores(?) from falling out of the jelly.
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    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Shoot it immediately after Shinji attacks the angel. Do not miss.
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Get closer to the angel. If there is some more open space, wait until the angel flies there, then attack it. Encircle it so you always stay on the side of drying paint. Pay attention where it goes after Asuka hit it.
     
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    Roaming_Guardian said:
    Yeah, for the moment, i think have Shinji circle around behind while Asuka puts a shot through the center mask. Shinji trying to either do meaningful damage or simply draw attention to make it change course. Buy a bit of time.
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    Agreed, if Asuka is eager to go on the attack, she's welcome to try and draw first blood sniping those skulls.

    If that gets blocked by AT Field, Shinji ought to be in position to try and break the AT Field and let Asuka try again.

    That said, I have this sinking suspicion this may be an Israfel-like situation where we might need to destroy all of those skulls at the same time to kill the Angel for good and just sniping or breaking them 1 at a time will cause them to regenerate if the other 2 are still alive.

    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Shoot the nearest birdlike skull she thinks she can hit.
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Circle around the Angel, avoid the red dust and pick a different skull from Asuka and get ready to attack on Misato's command.
     
    Can Asuka use MAGI to help her aim like Hikari? I'm not sure she can hit anything specific on the Angel with her current sync rate, and I'm worried she might accidentally hit Shinji.

    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Pick any side she likes and shoot it. Use MAGI-assisted aim. Do not hit Shinji.
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Take the opposite side and attack it from behind. Do not get painted. Be prepared to abandon the weapon if it gets stuck.
     
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    That said, I have this sinking suspicion this may be an Israfel-like situation where we might need to destroy all of those skulls at the same time to kill the Angel for good and just sniping or breaking them 1 at a time will cause them to regenerate if the other 2 are still alive.
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    Or pull out/destroy this thing inside before destroying the skulls themselves.
     
    Remember we might be fine to have Shinji come into contact with the kill-everything paint. But I would not count on this.

    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Circle around the Angel, and engage it from the dry-paint side after Asuka fires. If it reverses direction, retreat.
    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Charge the rifle and shoot one of the heads. If the Angel approaches, retreat.

    The general intent here is to probe the Angel's reactions and capabilities.
     
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Circle around the Angel, and engage it from the dry-paint side after Asuka fires. If it reverses direction, retreat.
    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Charge the rifle and shoot one of the heads. If the Angel approaches, retreat.
     
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Circle around the Angel, and engage it from the dry-paint side after Asuka fires. If it reverses direction, retreat.
    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Charge the rifle and shoot one of the heads. If the Angel approaches, retreat.
     
    [X] Instructions for Shinji: Circle around the Angel, and engage it from the dry-paint side after Asuka fires. If it reverses direction, retreat.
    [X] Instructions for Asuka: Charge the rifle and shoot one of the heads. If the Angel approaches, retreat.
     
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