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PistachioCookies said:
because this fat !@#$ has 3 whole layers of it.
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....Ah, yeah, shit. How did I not make that connection until now?
Sutekh said:
Three huge beams of red light shoot out, which quickly form into cross shapes.
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Three heads.

Three layers of barriers.

Three beams of light.

....It's literally 3 fking Angels in 1.

This probably is an Israfel-like situation where the Angel does actually have 3 cores, probably each of the heads. Dunno whether they'd be able to regenerate each other if they aren't killed simultaneously, but better not take that chance if we can afford it.
 
[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through


[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Switch out for a Naginata, then help Shinji break the AT Field. Pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through.
 
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It's Zeruel time, baby!

[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through

Would it be better to get Asuka a glaive or naginata?

EDIT: In fact, I'll add a version that does - the Angel's high up and she's skilled enough to use the naginata.

[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Switch out for a Naginata, then help Shinji break the AT Field. Pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through.
 
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Shinji attaboy!

I doubt it, but still there's a possibility of more than 3 layers existing. We don't know for sure since the 3rd layer never got penetrated.

Asuka being Asuka again, doing as she pleases. She doesn't give a fuck about Misato's orders, and at this point it's kinda pathetic to have Misato adjust her orders once again to match. Maybe it's time to admit Asuka is the one in charge here.

It's probably a good idea to disable that freaking powerful attack first. The key seem to be the Angel's spine that conducts the energy.

[X] Instructions for Shinji: aim to damage the spine, to sever the energy conductor.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: aim to damage the spine, to sever the energy conductor.

[X] Deploy Hikari
The Angel isn't as mobile now, so it should be safe.
 
[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through
 
Pity this cute fellow is so darn unfriendly :-( . Megaprojects and stripmining operations could really benefit from Mr. Brushes style of AT field use.
 
[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through
 
[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through

Seem like the best option left, and possibly show Asuka that yes, shooting with a gun is a vital part of taking down Angels and she is messing up
 
Sutekh said:
The tension is finally broken when Asuka fires at the rightmost head. The beam hits an AT-Field, and most of the beam is deflected, but some energy still penetrates. And then it hits a second AT-Field layer, where even more of the energy is deflected. But still, the beam manages to penetrate, a faint, weak imitation of the powerful positron stream it began life as. And then it hits a third layer, and whatever energy remaining is deflected away. The Angel is completely unharmed. Well, shit.
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Sounds like each skull might be a separate(ish) Angel, or at least have its own core.
I'd like to argue that this counts as "the core is in one of the side skulls".

Asuka huffs impatiently. This is taking too long. Is this thing really just going to sit here and waste everyone's time?

As soon as Asuka completes her thought, a red current runs through the Angel's "spine". One of the Angel's pairs of eyes glows red. Then a second pair, then all three.
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(sigh) Asuka, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

Hyuga adjusts his glasses, knocked askew by the blast, and reports incredulously that the Angel has managed to pierce eighteen plates of surface armor with that blast. What?! Eighteen in one attack?
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As a comparison, Sariel pierced eight in its numerous nightly attacks. And that's basically all it did, aside from its funky moon-drop routine.

Hopefully Zophiel can't hit this hard twice. I don't wanna bet on it.

Unit-02 abandons the Positron Rifle and draws its Progressive Knife, heading for the new crater in the ground where the Angel and Shinji presumably are still trying to overpower each other.
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Can we deploy a better melee weapon in front of Asuka and tell her to grab it? It's a show of confidence in her plan of action which doesn't leave her knife-fighting Murder Red over here.

In case we can, I'm gonna support VX's plan.

[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Switch out for a Naginata, then help Shinji break the AT Field. Pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through.
 
Couple of questions.

Why are we having Hikari pick up Asuka's discarded MK 20 instead of just deploying her with one? wouldn't that be the better solution? get another rifle on the field with Asuka's Mk 20 there to fall back on.

Whoops, nvm about this part, remembered what the armament vote was.

Also how with her limited ability to move is she suppose to get to it? I do believe Asuka discarded it on top of the skyscraper she turned into a snipers perch, Hikari does not have a high Synch rate, and scaling something with the damage already sustained to Unit 3 seems unwise to me, but I am probably worrying over nothing here.

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[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through

I do believe it will take longer then we would like for Hikari to get the MK-20, and there is the concern of any retaliatory fire aimed at her, but it does seem minimal with Asuka moving in to support.
 
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[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Switch out for a Naginata, then help Shinji break the AT Field. Pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through.
 
Sutekh said:
The beam hits an AT-Field, and most of the beam is deflected, but some energy still penetrates. And then it hits a second AT-Field layer, where even more of the energy is deflected.
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Ah yes good old Zeurel shtick.
Sutekh said:
The sheer force pushes the Angel slowly backwards towards the middle of town. Shinji has to carefully wait for the paint to dry before advancing.
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Can Shinji use his AT-Field as a shielding form the dust?
Sutekh said:
Ritsuko says the numbers Shinji's putting up are a new record.
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That's good, but Asuka will throw a fit after the fight (I am thinking positively and assume everybody survives) when she hears about it.
Sutekh said:
Hyuga adjusts his glasses, knocked askew by the blast, and reports incredulously that the Angel has managed to pierce eighteen plates of surface armor with that blast.
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Yep, Zeurel all right.
PistachioCookies said:
Some possible "good news" may be that if the energy needs to pass through the "spine" of the thing when firing the drilling blast, it possibly needs to reorient its entire body so that its "butt" gets pointed in whichever direction it wants to let rip.
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I think we should focus on the spine now. I doubt we will be able to kill the angel in the one round. After the angel destroys armor it will simply flow inside.
Without the (or at lest with damaged) spine it shouldn't be able to do so.

[X] Instructions for Shinji: aim to damage the spine, to sever the energy conductor.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: aim to damage the spine, to sever the energy conductor.

[X] Deploy Hikari
 
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[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Help Shinji break the AT Field, pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through

I don't quite remember how all the different weapons have done in the past but is there a reason why we're having Hikari go for Asuka's old Positron Rifle instead of using the Sniper Rifle she'll deploy with? Did the Sniper perform poorly against targets with strong AT Fields in the past? I'll fall in line here because I assume I've forgotten something to that effect.
 
Alcor said:
I don't quite remember how all the different weapons have done in the past but is there a reason why we're having Hikari go for Asuka's old Positron Rifle instead of using the Sniper Rifle she'll deploy with? Did the Sniper perform poorly against targets with strong AT Fields in the past? I'll fall in line here because I assume I've forgotten something to that effect.
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No, that's a fair point: we got caught up in the logistics of whether we could get hikari to asukas rifle, but there was some debate as to whether the rifle or positron canon would be more effective.

Personally I love not committing to choices, so maybe we should have hikari go to asukas positron rifle while using her sniper rifle to lay down support fire?

Once there, we can have the positron rifle charging while hikari continues to use the sniper until it's ready, then swap to the positron, then swap back. It's going to reduce her mobility probably, but that's already true with the positron rifle by itself so I think it's worth it.

Someone will have to remind me whether the positron rifle or the sniper rifle is more effective at chipping away at an AT field though.
 
Alcor said:
I don't quite remember how all the different weapons have done in the past but is there a reason why we're having Hikari go for Asuka's old Positron Rifle instead of using the Sniper Rifle she'll deploy with? Did the Sniper perform poorly against targets with strong AT Fields in the past? I'll fall in line here because I assume I've forgotten something to that effect.
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If Memory serves, the one (and only time) we ever used the sniper before was against the incineration Angle, (URIEL) who arrived by incinerating an entire city, it did minimal damage to the angel, but the main reason why it was used, was when we swapped out Rei's MK-20 for the sniper rifle, as her priors injuries insured she was almost unable to handle heavy recoil of the MK-20, thus nearly causing Rei's shot to hit Unit 2 (Asuka was not amused)

So given Hikari's existing injuries (and to Unit 3s) gave Hikari the sniper rifle, as its recoil was much less then the MK-20 (with added equipment to compensate) to avoid a similar situation, but given the current situation (the 3 in one Angel) insures the change in armament.
 
Lock93 said:
If Memory serves, the one (and only time) we ever used the sniper before was against the incineration Angle, (URIEL) who arrived by incinerating an entire city, it did minimal damage to the angel, but the main reason why it was used, was when we swapped out Rei's MK-20 for the sniper rifle, as her priors injuries insured she was almost unable to handle heavy recoil of the MK-20, thus nearly causing Rei's shot to hit Unit 2 (Asuka was not amused)

So given Hikari's existing injuries (and to Unit 3s) gave Hikari the sniper rifle, as its recoil was much less then the MK-20 (with added equipment to compensate) to avoid a similar situation, but given the current situation (the 3 in one Angel) insures the change in armament.
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Remind me, do conventional weapons like the sniper help reduce the AT field, or are they literally useless until it's down?
 
Also, how conventional is it? I think the only description we got is "An Evangelion-sized sniper rifle. Packs more of a punch and has a greater range than the crossbow, but cannot be fired continuously." That could mean it's a modified positron rifle or a modified howitzer.

Also, can the crossbow be fired continuously?
 
Alcor said:
I don't quite remember how all the different weapons have done in the past but is there a reason why we're having Hikari go for Asuka's old Positron Rifle instead of using the Sniper Rifle she'll deploy with?
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chryssalideater said:
Remind me, do conventional weapons like the sniper help reduce the AT field, or are they literally useless until it's down?
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They can, but they need a lot of oomph. The poster child for conventional weapons taking down AT Fields are N2 Mines, which are supposedly non-nuclear conventional explosives, that are nevertheless as powerful as nukes or at least go off with a corresponding mushroom cloud. Those have a track record of being able to break an AT Field, at least of some Angels.

I didn't get the impression the regular Eva sniper rifle was anything more than a scaled-up sniper rifle shooting projectiles, though. So likely weaker than the Positron Rifle.

More pertinently, we know for a fact right now that the Positron Rifle is proven able to bust through 2 layers of this Angel's AT Field, even if the remaining energy from it might not be enough to destroy a skull. That means it could probably pierce through 1 layer and have enough to blow up one of the heads.

While killing all 3 heads at once is the optimal scenario, in a less-optimal case as long as Shinji and Asuka can break through 2 of the layers, Hikari can still make the shot with 1 layer up and potentially take out one of the heads that way.

And if it is the case that each head is a separate core that is responsible for each layer of the barrier, even just taking 1 head out means that Shinji and Asuka will immediately break through if they're struggling to get past 2 layers beforehand (if the third disappears once 1 head dies).
 
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PistachioCookies said:
And if it is the case that each head is a separate core that is responsible for each layer of the barrier, even just taking 1 head out means that Shinji and Asuka will immediately break through if they're struggling to get past 2 layers beforehand (if the third disappears once 1 head dies).
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Maybe we should order Asuka to tear off one of the heads, when Shinji focuses on eroding AT-Field near this head. She has a prog-knife only now, so she has to go full contact here anyway. She may as well try to grab a skull.
 
[X] Deploy Hikari
-[X] Tell Hikari to pick up Asuka's discarded Position Rifle and get ready to fire at the heads once Asuka and Shinji have breached the AT Field and have her tell Shinji and Asuka which head she's picking to shoot.
[X] Instructions for Shinji: Keep trying to break the AT Field, pool efforts with Asuka when she arrives, pick a different head from Hikari and Asuka to hit once they break through.
[X] Instructions for Asuka: Switch out for a Naginata, then help Shinji break the AT Field. Pick a different head from Hikari and Shinji to hit once they break through.
 
PistachioCookies said:
They can, but they need a lot of oomph. The poster child for conventional weapons taking down AT Fields are N2 Mines, which are supposedly non-nuclear conventional explosives, that are nevertheless as powerful as nukes or at least go off with a corresponding mushroom cloud. Those have a track record of being able to break an AT Field, at least of some Angels.

I didn't get the impression the regular Eva sniper rifle was anything more than a scaled-up sniper rifle shooting projectiles, though. So likely weaker than the Positron Rifle.

More pertinently, we know for a fact right now that the Positron Rifle is proven able to bust through 2 layers of this Angel's AT Field, even if the remaining energy from it might not be enough to destroy a skull. That means it could probably pierce through 1 layer and have enough to blow up one of the heads.

While killing all 3 heads at once is the optimal scenario, in a less-optimal case as long as Shinji and Asuka can break through 2 of the layers, Hikari can still make the shot with 1 layer up and potentially take out one of the heads that way.

And if it is the case that each head is a separate core that is responsible for each layer of the barrier, even just taking 1 head out means that Shinji and Asuka will immediately break through if they're struggling to get past 2 layers beforehand (if the third disappears once 1 head dies).
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Ah, so it's more of an X-COM "one laser rifle for the entire squad" kinda deal. Unfortunate but makes sense.

Only other issue I can think of is whether asuka is going to make any significant dent in the at field- isn't her sync score abysmal right now? I'm assuming that ties into AT field projection. If that's the case waiting around might still take too long.

I'm of the opinion we start asking for gendo to lift the freeze on rei. He'll say no, but as of right now we're trying to drop 3 AT fields with 2 EVAS, and even with the positron rifle I don't like how that math works out for us.
 
I can't remember since it's been awhile, would we be able to send up a naginata for Asuka to pick up later? If she's going melee, which I generally am fine with, I'd prefer she have a better weapon than the knife if possible. If that's possible I think it would be good to add to the plan
 
chryssalideater said:
I wish we had a hand grenade equivalent. I'm guessing there's no way to make a limited range n2 mine?
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There is a "hand-grenade" equivalent that NERV tried to use on Zeruel in Episode 19 - but not to breach its AT Field.

What happened was, they had Rei grab it in one hand with Unit-00 and got her to try nullify the Angel's AT Field up close, and then had her chuck it like a hand-grenade through the hole she was nullifying in the Angel's AT Field.

The explosion ended up blowing off her Unit's arm... and didn't actually kill Zeruel because it turned out that Angel was just built different and its body was physically tough enough to take the bomb blast even without the AT Field.

The hand-grenade version is probably lower-yield than the kind that apparently required "redrawing the map" when it was dropped and I have some doubts about it getting through all 3 layers of this Angel's AT Field (might maybe get through 1 perhaps?). And would probably require the Evas to run some distance away beforehand, on pain of getting roasted by the blast as well, making it difficult to follow up on the attack after setting it off.

Plus we'd also probably have to ask Gendo and argue for permission to even deploy one in the first place too.
NedTheNanite said:
I can't remember since it's been awhile, would we be able to send up a naginata for Asuka to pick up later? If she's going melee, which I generally am fine with, I'd prefer she have a better weapon than the knife if possible. If that's possible I think it would be good to add to the plan
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That's been brought up and yeah, there's no harm trying to send it up I guess - was just kinda assuming it wasn't possible to switch/deliver more weapons at the moment.
 
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