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Reds! A Revolutionary Timeline

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Parzival said:
In other words, we aren't doing in because it's fascist apologia.
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Dogshit fascist apologia written by someone who gets off to the thought of a hundred million dead Russians because the author fundamentally believes that everything they dislike about Russia's political historical course is due to some inherent wrongness in the Russian people.
 
dcd said:
You've already done crossovers with TNO,Kaisereich,e.t.c.
What about a crossover with The Footprint of Mussolini?
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Ove got to warn you that due to the political ideology of the people writing this, and the views exposed in this TL, I warn you against just bring it up...

Though it might be fun seeing the TCI and AFS come together and gang up on Fascist Italy
 
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I shouldn't have shitposted that idea out of nowhere.I apologize.
The reason why it came up is that Footprint of Mussolini struck me as the Right-wing counterpart to this TL.It's actually on second thought more of the counterpart to Red World(the HOI mod)
The counterpart to this would probably be New Deal Coalition Retained except you do a better job of staying fair to all parties throughout the TL.(I think people's problems with the TL came from the excessively negative portrayal of the USSR later on-at first movements like Eurocommunism are portrayed well)
 
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A crossover idea that might go over better that Fascist apologia, the Yakuza series. Have no idea how to make it work, seeing as the video games continued forward it became more and more about money, but it could fun try and figure it out.
 
ted_exists said:
It inspired me to start writing a timeline of my own thats basically the opposite of footprint
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Coudl you link it? Sounds interesting already.
ted_exists said:
Isn't NDCR that queen nixon timeline? And the one where the USSR is arguable even more of a moustache-twirling cartoon villain than they are in Footprint?
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It would still be fun to see Reds! USSR. China, and Latin America curbstomp NATO and Co. (at least in the respective areas).
 
dcd said:
I shouldn't have shitposted that idea out of nowhere.I apologize.
The reason why it came up is that Footprint of Mussolini struck me as the Right-wing counterpart to this TL.It's actually on second thought more of the counterpart to Red World(the HOI mod)
The counterpart to this would probably be New Deal Coalition Retained except you do a better job of staying fair to all parties throughout the TL.(I think people's problems with the TL came from the excessively negative portrayal of the USSR later on-at first movements like Eurocommunism are portrayed well)
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I do not find comparisons to the Timeline where all of South America save for Pinochet's Chile suddenly dies of Ebola for the audacity to side with the USSR in WW3, where the Soviets just forget they have a nuclear arsenal so that the US and ebic Imperial Germany can overrun it, and where Nixon's family marries into English royalty to be at all flattering. Most of AH.com's famous right-wing timelines are written by people who outright reject historical materialism, making them fundamentally incompatible in terms of their perception of how history unfolds with Reds!
 
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AG_AG said:
Coudl you link it? Sounds interesting already.
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I havent started writing it but i'be been updating this brainstorming sheet pretty regularly
docs.google.com

Rusted Steel(idea page)

Stalin is overthrown in early 1936 before the Purge can take off. The specifics of this coup will be expanded on later, but essentially Yagoda informs the military of the coming purge and uses his allies in the NKVD to help them overthrow Stalin. There is no outright de-Stalinization campaign, al...
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ted_exists said:
I havent started writing it but i'be been updating this brainstorming sheet pretty regularly
docs.google.com

Rusted Steel(idea page)

Stalin is overthrown in early 1936 before the Purge can take off. The specifics of this coup will be expanded on later, but essentially Yagoda informs the military of the coming purge and uses his allies in the NKVD to help them overthrow Stalin. There is no outright de-Stalinization campaign, al...
docs.google.com docs.google.com
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This looks very interesting, and I'll gladly read a timeline based on it! Out of curiosity, since I haven't read Footprint of Mussolini, what makes this the opposite of it?
 
ted_exists said:
I havent started writing it but i'be been updating this brainstorming sheet pretty regularly
docs.google.com

Rusted Steel(idea page)

Stalin is overthrown in early 1936 before the Purge can take off. The specifics of this coup will be expanded on later, but essentially Yagoda informs the military of the coming purge and uses his allies in the NKVD to help them overthrow Stalin. There is no outright de-Stalinization campaign, al...
docs.google.com docs.google.com
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That looks super interesting! Though I do have to say that is it a bit contrived that Britian randomly invades Norway, and wasn't the CIA very anti Farrouk?
 
LeonSolarpunk said:
This looks very interesting, and I'll gladly read a timeline based on it! Out of curiosity, since I haven't read Footprint of Mussolini, what makes this the opposite of it?
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It started out as the US becoming a moustache-twirling, tying-maidens-to-traintracks cartoon villain like how the USSR is portrayed in Sorario's Footprint of Mussolini and his even worse Twilight of the Red Czar, but now im going in a direction where the US is still bad, but not "hey lets fake the moon landing and do another holocaust" bad.


AG_AG said:
That looks super interesting! Though I do have to say that is it a bit contrived that Britian randomly invades Norway, and wasn't the CIA very anti Farrouk?
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Yeah i just need a reason for Norway to join the axis ill probably changw that. US support for Farouk is more of "we hate the soviet-sympathetic free officers more so we'll deal with you later"
 
Spartakrod said:
I do not find comparisons to the Timeline where all of South America save for Pinochet's Chile suddenly dies of Ebola for the audacity to side with the USSR in WW3, where the Soviets just forget they have a nuclear arsenal so that the US and ebic Imperial Germany can overrun it, and where Nixon's family marries into English royalty to be at all flattering. Most of AH.com's famous right-wing timelines are written by people who outright reject historical materialism, making them fundamentally incompatible in terms of their perception of how history unfolds with Reds!
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Like I said,you do a much better job of remaining fair to everyone.And peoples problem with NCDR as I see it comes from that excessively negative portrayal by the author/treatment by fate of the Marxist-Leninists/anyone too close to them as you say.
 
ted_exists said:
It started out as the US becoming a moustache-twirling, tying-maidens-to-traintracks cartoon villain like how the USSR is portrayed in Sorario's Footprint of Mussolini and his even worse Twilight of the Red Czar
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Uhhh, Twilight of the Red Tsar was written by a completely different author. Also, comparing it to TFoM is unfair; I'm probably being generous, but I never got the feeling that the author was pushing the basically total victory of the Right in America and other places as a good thing. There are still non-bloodthirsty leftist regimes in places like Cuba and Hungary and they are more or less portrayed sympathetically.
 
Spartakrod said:
Dogshit fascist apologia written by someone who gets off to the thought of a hundred million dead Russians because the author fundamentally believes that everything they dislike about Russia's political historical course is due to some inherent wrongness in the Russian people.
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Yeah I don't care for Death of Russia either.The author dispenses with all the strengths of Footprint to indulge in his hatred of the USSR.
 
I think that all of this crossover talk should go on the Reds! ASB thread. Though...
ted_exists said:
Yeah i just need a reason for Norway to join the axis ill probably changw that.
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Maybe have the eugenicist movement in Scandinavia be much more successful and eventually take on a major political element?
ted_exists said:
US support for Farouk is more of "we hate the soviet-sympathetic free officers more so we'll deal with you later"
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That's fair.
Might want to continue this talk in a pm?
 
ted_exists said:
I havent started writing it but i'be been updating this brainstorming sheet pretty regularly
docs.google.com

Rusted Steel(idea page)

Stalin is overthrown in early 1936 before the Purge can take off. The specifics of this coup will be expanded on later, but essentially Yagoda informs the military of the coming purge and uses his allies in the NKVD to help them overthrow Stalin. There is no outright de-Stalinization campaign, al...
docs.google.com docs.google.com
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Looks excellent so far.And yeah Sorario has no business ranting about how the USSR was an "evil,vicious colonial empire" when the whole point of Footprint is moral ambiguity.Your TL ironically is a much better follow up to Footprint than Death of Russia.
Have you considered doing a similar response to Death of Russia?I don't mean something like And Our Flag Was Not There or Rumsfeldia,I mean something where the NSF actually creates a better Russia.
 
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coldwar said:
A crossover idea that might go over better that Fascist apologia, the Yakuza series. Have no idea how to make it work, seeing as the video games continued forward it became more and more about money, but it could fun try and figure it out.
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If you mean a Yakuza Series ITTL, it depends. The conditions that formed the Yakuza as we know it today aren't present in the Socialist Republic of Nippon, given that pre-existing Yakuza have largely been forced to move operations (to Entente South Asia, Australasia and even parts of Africa) after a series of post-war purging and are now largely syndicated with the similarly-displaced Triads to the point where they're largely the same transnational group, akin to the different US-based ethnic mob groups coming together in Americuba. Also, the discrimination against Zainichi Koreans and Burakumin which gave the post-war Yakuza a large part of its membership, while still not completely erased, has been effectively curbed.

Outside of Nippon, I could see a Not-Yakuza being produced in TTL's Malaysia or Singapore (or Hong Kong albeit largely more Chinese-influenced), but more on those places later.
 
Raiho-kun said:
If you mean a Yakuza Series ITTL, it depends. The conditions that formed the Yakuza as we know it today aren't present in the Socialist Republic of Nippon, given that pre-existing Yakuza have largely been forced to move operations (to Entente South Asia, Australasia and even parts of Africa) after a series of post-war purging and are now largely syndicated with the similarly-displaced Triads to the point where they're largely the same transnational group, akin to the different US-based ethnic mob groups coming together in Americuba. Also, the discrimination against Zainichi Koreans and Burakumin which gave the post-war Yakuza a large part of its membership, while still not completely erased, has been effectively curbed.

Outside of Nippon, I could see a Not-Yakuza being produced in TTL's Malaysia or Singapore (or Hong Kong albeit largely more Chinese-influenced), but more on those places later.
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Yeah, I meant the Yakuza video game series INTTL. I'd figure something like the Mob groups moving to Americuba would happen, but it could still work. Maybe Kiryu (or whoever would take his place here) is based out on Singapore, closest to Kamarocho I feel, and has to deal with the Chinese Triads and others groups who got dispersed to Singapore.
 
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