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Ultrackius said:
I don't see your point
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Democratic Centralism does not mean "there is only one party" and has in fact never meant that. Democratic Centralism simply means that once a program is agreed on, to the best of the ability of all involved it will be carried out with allowances for changing circumstances rather than trying to undermine the other's program to advantage your own faction.

In liberal democracies it's called "party discipline" and "multipartisanship".

It does not require a single party nor a ban on factions.

The Maximalist influenced model of partisanship is often called the "Hydra model" since while there are many heads of the worker's movement; they share a body that moves in unison once the heads agree to commit to an action.
 
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so correct me if I am wrong that Democratic Centralism that any ideas or stuff to a degree are allowed to be debated and stuff but once the party votes on it the party members it binding?
 
Ultrackius said:
It didn't explicitly abandon the principles of democratic centralism though, like the UASR does in this, and like a move to the American Model and allowance of many parties would imply
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I was referring to the legislative organisation rather than the practice of democratic centralism, which, as others have pointed out, is practiced around the world.
From the 1936 constitution the USSR adopted a directly-elected parliamentary -like system:
ARTICLE 139. Elections of deputies are direct : all Soviets of Working People's Deputies from rural and city Soviets of Working People's Deputies to the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R., inclusive, are elected by the citizens by direct vote.
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Compared to previous practice, which established a nested council system:
1924 Constitution
ARTICLE 9. The Congress of Soviets of the USSR is composed of representatives of the urban Soviets and of the Soviets of the urban type, on the basis of one deputy per 25,000 electors, and of representatives of the Congresses of Soviets of the rural districts on the basis of one deputy per 125,000 inhabitants.

ARTICLE 10. The delegates to the Congress of the Soviets of the USSR are elected in the Congresses of Soviets of the rural and urban governments. In the Republics where there does not exist a rural division, the delegates are elected directly to the Congress of Soviets of the respective Republic.
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In other words, the UASR government is a direct copy of the USSR government as it existed at the time of the American Revolution.
 
Teutonic_Thrash said:
I was referring to the legislative organisation rather than the practice of democratic centralism, which, as others have pointed out, is practiced around the world.
From the 1936 constitution the USSR adopted a directly-elected parliamentary -like system:

Compared to previous practice, which established a nested council system:

In other words, the UASR government is a direct copy of the USSR government as it existed at the time of the American Revolution.
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Not fully. It takes elements from DeLeonism (the influence of unions) and the American constitution, so not a direct copy, but extremely similar.
 
Miss Teri said:
Not fully. It takes elements from DeLeonism (the influence of unions) and the American constitution, so not a direct copy, but extremely similar.
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That makes sense, although it has been a long time since I read the old version of the TL back at AH.com.

I'm just surprised though, the amount of work that you three put yourselves through to make this work is outstanding. Especially since Jello Bifara Aelita had to redo the TL twice? Three times?
 
Jaguarundi said:
That makes sense, although it has been a long time since I read the old version of the TL back at AH.com.

I'm just surprised though, the amount of work that you three put yourselves through to make this work is outstanding. Especially since Jello Bifara Aelita had to redo the TL twice? Three times?
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Aelita first started writing this when they were in High School and I've sunk in about a third of my life into this.
 
"Now let's say, hypothetically, Comrades Stalin and Hoxah we're assassinated and stabbed in the back by revisionist Trotskyite traitors that have lead the Revolution astray..." - Reds Ben Shapiro.
 
Woltaire said:
so correct me if I am wrong that Democratic Centralism that any ideas or stuff to a degree are allowed to be debated and stuff but once the party votes on it the party members it binding?
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In democratic centralism, once a stance is taken, not only do all members vote for it, but they also present a united front to the public, giving the appearance that there is no dissent. IOTL it was used in all but name by PRI in Mexico.
 
LNSS said:
In democratic centralism, once a stance is taken, not only do all members vote for it, but they also present a united front to the public, giving the appearance that there is no dissent. IOTL it was used in all but name by PRI in Mexico.
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That is a form of it but not the only one.
 
It's a good think my disability payment came through this morning, because now I can actually afford the amount of alcohol I'll need to get that image out of my head without using a bullet.
 
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