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OTL, he was arrested for fondling an undercover police officer and later for "public lewdness". It fit well into that.
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UASR would have only ONE uranium bomb during the entire conflict, with FBU easily surpassing TCI well into the late 1950s (although they themselves didn't know it).
Material conditions and all that; OTL Manhattan was only possible because of Congo uranium, which FBU has in this world.
The thing regarding they HAVE to conquer the world has long been under dispute,given all the peace offers Hitler made. before and during the war.Not being an Axis apologist or anything,it's just a fact.Many agree that if a conditional peace had been made,millions would be saved from the gas chambers.Good PR,you see.
I meant a scenario like TNO,yes.
Thing is,one of their main problems was resource distribution,and with Henry Ford and such in the picture...Maybe you could do a spinnoff?
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No, people who understand Nazi ideology do not dispute this. Lebensraum was the core of Nazism, you cannot have a Nazi regime that is not expansionistic.The thing regarding they HAVE to conquer the world has long been under dispute,given all the peace offers Hitler made. before and during the war.Not being an Axis apologist or anything,it's just a fact.Many agree that if a conditional peace had been made,millions would be saved from the gas chambers.Good PR,you see.
I meant a scenario like TNO,yes.
Maybe you could do a spinnoff?
They absolutely did have to conquer the world.
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Some Nazis wanted peace with the western allies. Only some, and the issue is that after Britain disappointed him by refusing his offer of peace after the fall of France he opposed virtually all efforts to make such deals.
Hitler and the bulk of the Nazis and Wehrmacht did not want any such thing with the Soviets and Hitler refused to allow any such things to be entertained even when Berlin itself was surrounded.
Hitler and the bulk of the Nazis and Wehrmacht did not want any such thing with the Soviets and Hitler refused to allow any such things to be entertained even when Berlin itself was surrounded.
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Eventually, but not within the next few generations. Conquering the world (or rather, ending all effective Great Power opposition to German world policy) was not an immediate logical necessity of the Nazi project, which rightly predicted that eastern Europe alone would take decades to Germanize. It was a military necessity, since at least one Great Power already held the territory the Nazis sought to Germanize and weren't about to let them keep it without a fight, and Germany's other Great Power rivals subsidized that power's war effort to minimize German threat to themselves.
Put another way, the Nazis didn't necessarily have to immediately conquer the world, but they did have to conquer the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union and the rest of the world weren't about to let them.
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Okay, not making fun, just curious: what do you think the word "diaspora" implies?
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I'm a member of the Indian dispora. My dad came to the US as a student.
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When I think 'diaspora' I think of something like the Irish or Jewish diasporas - which makes me think of a forced relocation of people, either by circumstance or as a deliberate policy. Diasporas can, as I just learned, be more benign in nature.
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I was thinking more of an economic necessity, tbf. It's been a while since I've read Wages of Destruction but the core takeaway for me was that the Nazi regime looted everything they annexed to the ground in order to keep the German metropole flush, and things only worked out for them so long as the loot kept coming in. Should the loot stop coming... they had to keep going otherwise the house of cards would fall apart.
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More generally, one of Nazi Germany's biggest economic problems was that it was horribly mismanaged from top to bottom. It's honestly kind of astounding that it managed to keep working even with the constant influx of the spoils of war. It was pretty clear that everything would collapse if Germany had to actually had to start paying for stuff without stealing enormous amounts of resources to buffer out its own absurd wastefulness.
Take lebensraum - it wasn't just an ideological imperative, it was an economic one. Agriculture in 1930s Germany was largely centered around small-scale farms that were famously inefficient in their ability to produce food, and this system was largely enshrined into Nazi law to solidify the support of the German peasantry. So in order to have enough land to produce the food that Germany would need to feed itself without imports from the rest of the Western world, they'd need to get more, which meant stealing it from Poland and Ukraine and enslaving the people living there. Germany would literally starve without food imports if it didn't keep stealing more farmland, hence the Nazis drew up lots of plans to steal farmland through force of arms.
Repeat this process to basically every industry and you can see why the Nazi economic model was plainly not sustainable.
Yeah,I've always felt that's just something we like to repeat to ourselves to try to calm ourselves down about how close Hitler came-and that his ideas proved bulletproof.
Mine too!My maternal grandparents as well,which is why I exist.
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When I say they "had" to conquer the world I'm referring to the inevitable product of the ideology they followed. Would it have been rational and effective to go about it in literally any other way? Of course, but that's the thing. When you're the master race who are opposed by pitiful puppets of international Jewry there is no reason to do so. Of "course" you're going to easily win, which means that in practice not going to war with the rest of the world wasn't an option. Any more then suddenly deciding that racism is bad and everyone should be friends was.
A German state that pursues hegemony in a pragmatic manner isn't going to be led by Nazis because Nazism does not permit that.
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Uh, no? Nazi Germany literally couldn't feed itself without importing food prior to, like, 1940. By its own estimates, it was only producing about 85% of the food it would need to keep its core civilian population from starvation. That other 15% had to come from somewhere or you'd have another WW1 famine on your hands - a famine that nearly caused the country to completely implode after just a few short years of being cut off from international trade.Yeah,I've always felt that's just something we like to repeat to ourselves to try to calm ourselves down about how close Hitler came-and that his ideas proved bulletproof.
The Nazis looked at that system, thought 'Wow, such racial purity in these rural farmholders!!!!' and enshrined it into law. This is Nazi economics in a nutshell - do everything possible to appease the base of supporters keeping you in power, up to and including actual self-sabotage, and make up the difference by murdering foreigners(and also lots of domestic Jews) and stealing their stuff.
Depends.Certainly that was the final end,just as the final goal of the USSR is world revolution.In the meantime,the Reich can't last that millennium if everyone jumps on it.
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All Germany lasting to 1946 does is get Germany nuked first. The absolute state of the German atomic bomb program means they're going to get to the bomb last and if they're still standing by the time a British one is ready, they'll just have one city after another struck off the map by Arthur Harris until they collapse. Nevermind the Communist nukes, the RAF will be more than happy to reduce Germany to a pile of rubble on its own and produce a new Dresden as fast as each bomb can be produced until Berlin either capitulates or has ceased to exist.
Also even with Libyan Oil; Germany is considerably more fuel constrained than its adversaries and the MEFO bill economy is going to come crashing down much sooner than later. Then of course there's the little issue that Germany is lacking in manpower, having suffered extremely proportionately heavily from the first world war and also going up against alliances with deeper reserves of meat for the grinder than it does. All while most German allies save for the Finns, Swedes, French, Turks, and perhaps the Italians are to put it lightly; of rather questionable quality in terms of the divisions they can provide.
The Romanian and Hungarian armies rather famously collapsed incredibly quickly when pressure was applied to them, the Croatians were better at killing defenceless civilians than they were at actually fighting, the Slovakians were puppets, the Bulgarians didn't even do much of anything and changed teams the moment the fighting reached their borders, the Spaniards are from a devastated country with exhausted divisions in need of years of recovery that Hitler isn't going to give them, and the Petainists will jump ship if things look like they're not going to go well for them.
The defeat of the Axis powers will be a long and arduous affair, but wars on this scale are won or lost long before they start.
Also even with Libyan Oil; Germany is considerably more fuel constrained than its adversaries and the MEFO bill economy is going to come crashing down much sooner than later. Then of course there's the little issue that Germany is lacking in manpower, having suffered extremely proportionately heavily from the first world war and also going up against alliances with deeper reserves of meat for the grinder than it does. All while most German allies save for the Finns, Swedes, French, Turks, and perhaps the Italians are to put it lightly; of rather questionable quality in terms of the divisions they can provide.
The Romanian and Hungarian armies rather famously collapsed incredibly quickly when pressure was applied to them, the Croatians were better at killing defenceless civilians than they were at actually fighting, the Slovakians were puppets, the Bulgarians didn't even do much of anything and changed teams the moment the fighting reached their borders, the Spaniards are from a devastated country with exhausted divisions in need of years of recovery that Hitler isn't going to give them, and the Petainists will jump ship if things look like they're not going to go well for them.
The defeat of the Axis powers will be a long and arduous affair, but wars on this scale are won or lost long before they start.
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Still depends.
See,here the Axis are better prepared for war and the Communist International is a bigger immediate threat.If this is parlayed into more forces being committed into Operation Barbarossa...
And Sealion might be feasible if their navy is better.
Oh,that was because the Allies insisted on UNCONDITIONAL surrender.The Germans interpreted that as confirming their fears of genocide being inflicted on them in bloody vengeance via Morgenthau Plan.
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I'm just going to direct you to this highly informative post on the matter of the aquatic mammal's nonexistent feasibility.
I know,I know,but most of it hinges upon economic shortfalls,which are mitigated here.
And I said MIGHT.
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it doesn't mostly hinge on economic shortfalls. it hinges a little on economic shortfalls, and a lot on being completely militarily non-viable. they dont have the transports to get across, or the naval strength to protect those transports, or the aerial strength to protect the navy to protect the transports to get the troops across
and even if they could get troops across, they'd be thrown back by the british army anyway. theres a reason invading across the channel requires a superpower on your side and a collapsing hell-country on the other side, and its because otherwise you fail miserably and then you die
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The logistics to reach and capture Moscow in a single campaign season against committed opposition simply do not exist. Trying to abandon all other objectives besides Moscow would get the army pincered off and destroyed in a massive encirclement because it'd leave their flanks exposed (something Hitler understood but the OKW did not). Trying Hitler's much better plan of seizing economic objectives does not provide a way to actually force America and the Soviets to the negotiating table, not that Hitler wants a negotiated peace with Judeo-Bolsheviks and Mongrel-Maximalists. It just prevents the Wehrmacht from collapsing and gives them the time to try and fight for control of Ukraine and Byelorussia (which ultimately, they can't really hold). Even if they actually entered Moscow , they'd be ground down in a fight to make Stalingrad look like a tea party and then pushed out all the same without having ever actually getting to the point of being able to say they could own the city.Still depends.
See,here the Axis are better prepared for war and the Communist International is a bigger immediate threat.If this is parlayed into more forces being committed into Operation Barbarossa...
And Sealion might be feasible if their navy is better.
As for Sealion; the Kaiserreich couldn't dream of doing it when they had a navy actually capable of somewhat rivalling the British Navy (except not really as was proven by them choosing to turn tail and run at Jutland when they realized staying would mean getting obliterated), nevermind with a Surface fleet that is a small fraction of the size that the Kaiserliche Marine reached and is primarily oriented towards raiding. Also the landing forces they'd be able to spare would be outnumbered, outsupplied and plain old outgunned by the British forces on the Home Islands at all times. They were going to land three hundred thousand soldiers who wouldn't get their next shipment of supplies for at least twenty four hours, that's not a bold and daring plan, that's a grandiose means of public execution.
It'd be a disaster.
Not to mention that the river barges the Whermacht was going to use to land its troops could be sunk by a British destroyer's wake. The Royal navy could defeat the invasion force by literally driving past it.
The naval disparity between Germany and America and Britain at sea is so severe that even if Germany had an extra half-decade to prepare its navy would still be outmatched in every category by either of them.
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As was noted in the 1935 update, German naval building is meant to match Soviet naval building tit-for-tat, at least when it comes to surface combatants. Submarines are a different story, but the triangulation that the UK made was to build alliances to ensure that the Royal Navy would have a free hand in the Atlantic against the WFRN.
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Considering the Morgenthau Plan wasn't formulated 'til 1944, it's certainly one hell of a magic trick for fear of it to have informed German policy in, say, 1940 or 1942.