Purple Phoenix Reborn (Constantinople ISOT)

Chapter 20
Chapter 20
The Venice of Arcadia

Tenochtitlan, the City in the Lake, was a city of great beauty and majesty. Rising from the waters of Lake Texcoco, the city stood as a grand testament to her builders. The crown jewel of the Aztec throne and, perhaps, the greatest city in Arcadia, rivaled only by Constantinople herself. Where the City of the Romans was beautiful marble, capped by the glittering dome of Hagia Sophia, the City of the Aztec was color. Every color known to man, spread out over buildings and through winding canals that put Venice to shame. Brilliant red and blue topping the great pyramid at its center, rising above all else.

This city surpassed all her challengers in the region. As a sign of the Aztec power, it was unmatched. A city full of riches and vibrant with life, even as the stench of death clung to its center.

Beautiful as it may have been, it was a fool who believed it defenseless as a result. Lacking grand walls such as Constantinople possessed, Tenochtitlan relied on the very land upon which it sat. The lake was the ultimate defense, as only manmade causeways connected the city to the surrounding land. The bridges of these causeways could be retracted, cutting off all access to the city. Furthermore, the Aztec were excellent warriors upon their lake, and quite capable of repulsing assaults from the water. Tenochtitlan was, if not impregnable, a very difficult city to besiege. The beauty of the city hid much of its strength.

-- 'On the Aztec Empire', Lesson at Munich University, 1974


Tenochtitlan. What began as a humble village, one of many settled by the Mexica[1] as they moved into Mesoarcadia, would grow into the greatest city of its kind. While one must assume that a lot of the early history of this grand city is shrouded in myth and legend, it is generally agreed upon that it was first settled a century before Constantinople's arrival in Arcadia, in the same year as the foundation of the Purépecha state. The irony of this would not be lost on future historians. However, for all the similarities there, the two states would drastically diverge as would their capitals. Tenochtitlan would, for most of the early history of the settlement, be a small market town. Under the dominion of the larger city-state of Azcapotzalco, the Mexica of Tenochtitlan were a simple people. They lived in primitive dwellings and worshipped in a wooden temple. While the Purépecha forged their empire, Tenochtitlan payed tribute to Azcapotzalco. It was a state of events that made the following century seem almost inconceivable.

Until, of course, the Triple Alliance was founded. Instability in Azcapotzalco- generally attributed to poor leadership and a succession crisis -gave rise to a rebellion by their subjects. Tenochtitlan, the leader, of the Mexica. The Acolhua of Tetzcoco and the Tepanec of Tlacopan.[2] These three cities, and their own subjects, would overthrow Azcapotzalco's dominance and establish what would become known as the Aztec Empire. The Triple Alliance, while theoretically an alliance of equals, would quickly become an Empire seated in Tenochtitlan, with the other two cities subordinated to the Mexica.

It was this state of affairs that lead to the explosive growth of the city. Not unlike Constantinople, transformed from sleepy Byzantium into the glorious Second Rome.

For the huts and wooden temples of Tenochtitlan gave way to grand buildings of stone. The city subsumed her neighbors upon the island in Texoco, integrating them or turning them into little more than subordinate boroughs. The wealth of the growing Empire, the desire to live at the beating heart of such a powerful state, caused explosive growth. It is easy to forget, perhaps, with as much time has passed since the events being covered. The growth of Tenochtitlan from a small tributary to a city that rivaled the greatest in Europe- rivaled even Constantinople -took less than a century. The Triple Alliance overthrew Azcapotzalco in 1428, less than a century before the arrival of the Spanish in Mesoarcadia. In that time, Tenochtitlan became the city that would be besieged by the Spanish and Tlaxcala.

This growth would, along with the subordination of the other Alliance members, be what created the dominion of Tenochtitlan. With the city becoming a massive center of military, religion, and trade, it created a self-feeding system. More and more resources were poured into making the city grander. This drew more people who required more resources. It is no surprise that one of the most notable features of Tenochtitlan was the grand bazaar at the heart of the city. Men and women from every corner of the Aztec domain could be found, trading goods from as far as the faded cities of the Maya in the south, to coastal settlements far to the north. Tenochtitlan had become a cosmopolitan center that would, honestly, be very familiar to any merchant from Europe. Were it not for the darkness lingering around the temples, the bloodstained edifices rising high above everything else, it is possible that the city would have become known as a rival to those European meccas. As it was, the sacrifices stained the city in the eyes of those who saw it, regardless of the beauty of the rest of the city.

This is a sad state of affairs, as there was many aspects of Tenochtitlan that had nothing to do with the religion of the rulers.

The most obvious, perhaps, being the grand canals. Describing Tenochtitlan as the 'Venice of Arcadia' would not be inaccurate, as the city rested on a sprawling network of waterways. Similarly to Venice, these stretched throughout the city, connecting isolated parts of the island and- indeed -allowing expansion into the waters of the lake surrounding the grand city. Shops and homes lined these waterways, as merchants and others plied their trade between them. Boats traversed the waterways as bridges connected the disparate parts of the city over these canals. Glittering water that wound between the streets of the Aztec Capital, and contributed to the beauty of it all.

Where these canals differed from Venice was in the maintenance of them. The Aztec maintained a system of levees and other constructions, designed to keep the brackish water of the Lake out and to keep the waters of the canals clean. Anyone who visited Venice could instantly tell an outsider that, for all the beauty of the city, the canals were waters that few would want to risk swimming in. Whereas the canals of Tenochtitlan lacked the smell of sewage and were, generally, clean and fresh. This ingenious system, painstakingly built up and maintained over the decades of the city's growth, was arguably a wonder of the world. A city that should have rested upon dirty waters was, instead, fresh and sparkling in the sun.

Of course, the canals were not the only impressive work of water in Tenochtitlan.

Much as with ancient Roman settlements, Tenochtitlan possessed a system of aqueducts to transport fresh water into the city. These impressive constructions, differing from those of the Romans, were built largely of compacted clay. Terracotta. While it is true that this left them more vulnerable to erosion in comparison to those of Europe, these aqueducts still provided for all the freshwater needs of a city that could not rely on the brackish water of the lake it rested upon. This is not an insignificant achievement, as general estimates placed the peak of Tenochtitlan's population around two-hundred-thousand souls. [3] Especially as the water was relied upon for bathing, twice daily, as well as for drinking and other such uses.

This freshwater, used for drinking, cooking and bathing, was a major weakness even as it was a triumph of Aztec ingenuity. The aqueduct was necessary for the survival of the grand city, and were it to be cut off, this would cause terrible consequences. It was not an unheard of event. The original aqueduct, built of even less resilient material, was destroyed by natural causes and this left the city crippled. The newer system, double layered and redundant in the event one needed repairs, was still a vulnerability. If a besieging army were to cut off the water supply from the aqueduct, the city would quickly run low on water.

This should not diminish the accomplishment of constructing this system. Without the stonework of the Romans, the Aztec had created an aqueduct system that supplied a city that was, even in conservative estimates, many times more populated than many cities of Europe. Coupling this with the levees and other methods to keep the waters of the city itself fresh and clean, and the Aztec capital had some of the most singularly impressive works of aquatic engineering in the world. Certainly in the New World.

Another feature of the Aztec city that set it apart from many others could be found in an edict by Motecuhzoma I, in the middle of the 15th Century. While Europe was consumed in the end of the Middle Ages, and while Constantinople was first besieged and then given salvation, the Aztec leader created a system of education that was more advanced than many in the world at the time. Every neighborhood was required to possess a temple or school to educate the youth, such a system looking remarkably modern for the age it was constructed. It was not, in the end, the same as modern public education. It was a system focused, unsurprisingly, on religion and on military specialization. It was, somewhat, similar to the religious schools of Europe, only on a much grander scale.

These schools and temples, preparing the Aztec youth for religious ceremony and warfare, were part of a larger social system that was surprisingly advanced for its time. The people of Tenochtitlan were divided in manners not dissimilar from modern city planning. The largest divisions, the calpulli- 'big house' -were family groupings, generally made up commoner families. These macehaultin families were gathered together under the leadership of nobility, the pipiltin, into specific and well-divided neighborhoods. Each of which was, in turn, laid out around a central tiyanquiztli, a marketplace. Tenochtitlan was, in defiance of many cities, laid out in something resembling a proper grid fashion, using these family groupings and neighborhoods as the basis. The canals furthered this divide, creating something that would feel at least passingly familiar to modern eyes in a way that many other cities of similar age wouldn't.

For how impressive this all was, the object that defines popular understanding of the Aztec capital- then and now -is the massive central temple, the Templo Mayor, as the Spanish coined it.

This massive edifice of white stone stood at the center of the Aztec capital. By the time the Spanish arrived, it had been built over a number of times from the original wooden temple of the first Aztec. The current temple, standing tall and proud over Tenochtitlan, dominated the surrounding area and was visible for miles all around. It was dedicated to both the God of War, Huitzilopochtli, and the God of Rain and Agriculture, Tlaloc. Each god was given a shrine at the top of the pyramid, giving it the unique silhouette it bore in comparison to older Mayan pyramids. One shrine was painted in blue and the other in red, breaking up the pure white of the stone, while also designating each shrine to its respective god.

As could be expected of such a massive structure, it was at the heart of Tenochtitlan, both physically and metaphorically. All of the city revolved around the religious ceremonies held at the Temple, from the human sacrifice that so defined the Aztec, to more traditional dances and games. For every man who had his heart cut out, there were dances performed by athletes and trained dancers.[4]

The temple itself was only the core of a larger, walled, ceremonial area at the heart of Tenochtitlan. This area was dedicated to the Aztec religion, possessing many smaller temples around the pyramid. As well as the residences of the Aztec Emperors, in a fashion similar to other Mesoarcadian societies. While the rest of Tenochtitlan was divided into neighborhoods for both nobility and commoners, the walled center was a ceremonial area they were only allowed to visit, not live within. For all of that, though, it was not uncommon to see many throngs of people moving throughout the center, at any given time. For both worship and other, more mundane, reasons to visit.

In the years after the arrival of the Romans, and before the Spanish arrived, however...the ceremonial center was used far more than it once had been. First out of a desperation for intervention against the Romans and their allies, battering the Aztec armies in ways they had never faced before. Then in supplication, asking for forgiveness, as thousands upon thousands of Aztec citizens fell ill and died to the diseases the Romans had brought with them. Tenochtitlan was hit harder than most, for all the subdivisions did little to alleviate the fact that many thousands of people lived in close proximity to one another. And this was without even the primitive medical knowledge that the Romans could supply to natives they were in friendlier relations with.

It is impossible to know, for sure, how many perished. From disease or sacrifice to try and appease the clearly angry gods.

The generally accepted estimates range from anywhere in the tens of thousands, to as high as over one-hundred thousand. Or, about half of the population of Tenochtitlan pre-Roman contact. The ravages of disease tore through the beautiful city, gutting it in ways that no armed conflict ever could have done. Men, women, children. They were all killed by the unfeeling diseases, weakened and confined to beds for lack of proper medical care. Had disease ravaged the city in concert with a besieging army, it is entirely probable that Tenochtitlan would have fallen. No city could survive a siege when half of the population was sick or dying.

That was not the case. The Romans, under Demetrios, had not pushed so far. The Purépecha, as much as they hated the Aztec, had not desired to lay siege to their capital. Not at the time it was ravaged by disease, disease that was crippling to the Roman's allies as well.

By the time the Spanish and Tlaxcalan force arrived, Tenochtitlan had largely recovered. There were still many, many empty districts and crumbling houses. In many ways, it resembled Constantinople, prior to the siege by Mehmed. A once-grand city, gutted by events outside its control. Yet recover it had. Tenochtitlan may have had empty and crumbling homes, but the city endured. The population had begun to bounce back and recover, and those who had survived the ravages of disease brought by the Romans, would not fall prey to that brought by the Spanish. Not in anything resembling the great die-offs of previous decades.

Cortés would arrive to a city that, battered and bruised as it had been, was ready for him. A beautiful city that, for all the darkness in its heart, remained strong and true to itself.



1. The Aztec Triple Alliance, and the tributaries thereof, were made of many different- if related -tribal groups and peoples. The Mexica were the most powerful, and Tenochtitlan was their city. The heart of their people and the core of their powerbase. It is no mistake that the Mexica are generally regarded as the most prolific source on ancient Mesoarcadia, with many of their names carrying over even in areas they had conquered.

2. The other two cities of the Triple Alliance were ruled by 'sister cultures' of the Mexica. Tlacopan is of particular interest, as they were of the same Tepanec people as the city of Azcapotzalco that had ruled over Tenochtitlan. Tlacopan would, indeed, take the place of Azcapotzalco as the heart of Tlacopan culture, in the wake of the prior city's fall to the Triple Alliance.

3. Estimates of Tenochtitlan's population, pre-plague, are hard to verify. They range from as low as 100,000 to as high as 400,000. The truth is, as is common in these cases before reliable censuses, probably somewhere between the two extremes. By the time the Spanish arrived, it is probable that the city was at the low end of its population, though likely not as small as Constantinople's had been when Mehmed had laid siege to it.


4. Not in literal terms, though the general point remains. For all the blood-soaked nature of the Aztec religion, not even the heart of that faith was used just for heart-cutting. The temple in Tenochtitlan was used, just as often, for more mundane celebrations and rituals that would not have been out of place in Europe, save for the nature of the pagan faith.


AN: Apologies. I had planned on getting this sooner, but having to rebuild a new Discord server from the ground up (and scramble to do that) threw things out of whack. Then I got distracted by working on other stuff and...yeah.

I decided to push the siege back to the next update, mostly because in researching for that, I decided I wanted to focus on Tenochtitlan first. It really is a fascinating city that gets overlooked a lot, because our 'friend' Cortés decided he wanted to tear it all to the ground (not even all the Spanish agreed with this choice). Which is a crime and a half, in my mind. Yes, you can't get around the Aztec being blood-soaked assholes themselves, but...

Tenochtitlan was a jewel of the world. Arguably surpassing the great cities of Europe in many ways. Calling it the Venice of the Americas is, in some ways, a disservice to it. It was a surprisingly modern city that was beautiful and clean. Had it been the center of a less blood-obsessed civilization, we might be talking about how it is the heart of Mexico. But...well. We know how that went.

I felt it deserved at least this much.
 
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Tenochtitlan was a jewel of the world. Arguably surpassing the great cities of Europe in many ways. Calling it the Venice of the Americas is, in some ways, a disservice to it. It was a surprisingly modern city that was beautiful and clean. Had it been the center of a less blood-obsessed civilization, we might be talking about how it is the heart of Mexico. But...well. We know how that went.

I felt it deserved at least this much
That was frickin beautiful, man. It's weird to think about things that get lost in the historical perspective.
 
It's truly a shame to get to know the beautiful and fascinating side of Tenochtitlan shortly before Cortez and Yiorgos end up wrecking it. I now feel sorry for the city and its inhabitants, even though I know about the darker side of their society. The human sacrifice and war-mongering are just two facets of Aztec culture, and there were many more facets that shone brightly and deserve admiration & preservation.
 
I'm still waiting for news of Constantinople to reach Europe proper. I cannot wait to see the utter shitshow that will erupt from "God himself decided to save Constantinople from Mehmed."
 
Mehmed's descendants will likely have issues relating to the whole Mehmed apparently being so evil god intervened especially given that god didn't intervene when lets say the crusaders took Constantinople so that will manage to make Mehmed look even worse.

Being foiled by the biggest intervention to happen to a roman capital since Saint Leo the Great stopped the Attila the Hun, the infamous scourge of god and the bane of the west and east romans from marching on Rome especially since its so dramatically direct and blatant is going to make things interesting for the Ottoman empire I think.
 
Its hard to blame Cortez imo when you look at his perspective and the different factors at play in his occupation of greater Mexico. To be honest, any devout individual would look to destroy any other religion that uses human sacrifice to achieve favor with the gods--it is simply the antithesis of the forgiveness preached in christianity. To also have abundant gold reserves? Well I think it is overwhelmingly clear why he did what he did. Still, it would be supremely interesting to see the Spanish get their asses handed to them, and to see the aztec and inca simply become too powerful to unseat by the time the spanish could respond in force. Can't wait for the next part! Roma Invicta
 
just gonna drop this in
Here are some of the way conquistadors killed native americans

The Spaniards train their fierce dogs to attack, kill and tear to pieces the Indians... The Spaniards keep alive their dogs' appetite for human beings in this way. They have Indians brought to them in chains, then unleash the dogs. The Indians come meekly down the roads and are killed. And the Spaniards have butcher shops where the corpses of Indians are hung up, on display, and someone will come in and say, more or less,"Give me a quarter of that rascal hanging there, to feed my dogs until I can kill another one for them."

They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles...

Captured natives were sometimes butchered by conquistadors aiming to test the quality of their swords as well as their own strength. The conquistadors would even "place bets on the slicing off of heads or the cutting of bodies in half with one blow.

In his book The Devastation of the Indies, Bartolome de Las Casas wrote that conquistadors would cut "...off their hands and [hang] them round the victim's neck"

The conquistadors were known to mutilate the native population, often for no reason and with no provocation. Spanish priest Fray Bartolome de Las Casas wrote, "With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose, hands and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it."

They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, "Boil there, you offspring of the devil!" Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. . .To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim's neck, saying, "Go now, carry the message," meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. . .
the spanish literal engaged in human sacrifice... they had no moral standing at all

unrelated to this but mesoamerican civilization is so cool, esspically the aztetc on their cultural/intellectual side and I am so glad that you are talking about the cultural side of the aztects that often goes so unrepersent also since I am bad at explaining through typing I am just gonna drop this which are the most informative and deep videos documentaries I have ever found on aztec

 
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I am surprised there is no theological development in case of Aztec religion to deal with Christianity? I mean are there no Aztec apologists to deal with Theological points of Christianity or texual criticism deal with missionaries?
 
My class just covered Tenochtitlan last week, god I just really want to see Cortes get his shit rocked.
The setup is fascinating, really.

On the one hand, the info about the aqueducts and how critical they are (and vulnerable) to the city's survival means that, if Cortez and Yiorgos can identity this weakness, they can basically win with a siege by simply rendering the aqueducts inoperable.

On the other hand, is this force capable of doing a protracted siege of any kind?
 
Unless I am mistaken the Spanish force that was sent to arrest Cortez hasn't arrived yet, wonder if that will derail in a way that is not favorable to Cortez.

Especially given apparently the only reason even Cortez knew the Spanish governor's forces had arrived was Montezuma told him about them which allowed him to plan and launch his surprise night attack that carried him to victory and gave him a opportunity to bring the larger defeated force over to his side and eventually find a way into getting more Spanish troops sent to him.
 
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just gonna drop this in
Here are some of the way conquistadors killed native americans

The Spaniards train their fierce dogs to attack, kill and tear to pieces the Indians... The Spaniards keep alive their dogs' appetite for human beings in this way. They have Indians brought to them in chains, then unleash the dogs. The Indians come meekly down the roads and are killed. And the Spaniards have butcher shops where the corpses of Indians are hung up, on display, and someone will come in and say, more or less,"Give me a quarter of that rascal hanging there, to feed my dogs until I can kill another one for them."

They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles...

Captured natives were sometimes butchered by conquistadors aiming to test the quality of their swords as well as their own strength. The conquistadors would even "place bets on the slicing off of heads or the cutting of bodies in half with one blow.

In his book The Devastation of the Indies, Bartolome de Las Casas wrote that conquistadors would cut "...off their hands and [hang] them round the victim's neck"

The conquistadors were known to mutilate the native population, often for no reason and with no provocation. Spanish priest Fray Bartolome de Las Casas wrote, "With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose, hands and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it."

They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, "Boil there, you offspring of the devil!" Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. . .To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim's neck, saying, "Go now, carry the message," meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. . .
the spanish literal engaged in human sacrifice... they had no moral standing at all

unrelated to this but mesoamerican civilization is so cool, esspically the aztetc on their cultural/intellectual side and I am so glad that you are talking about the cultural side of the aztects that often goes so unrepersent also since I am bad at explaining through typing I am just gonna drop this which are the most informative and deep videos documentaries I have ever found on aztec


There is a VAST difference between some asshats trying to justify their brutal executions in the name of God and a religion who's entire basis is "the gods are hungry for blood and we must start wars to capture people to feed them"

Flower war - Wikipedia
 
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There is a VAST difference between some asshats trying to justify their brutal executions in the name of God and a religion who's entire basis is "the gods are hungry for blood and we must start wars to capture people to feed them"

Flower war - Wikipedia
I am well aware of the flower war and Aztecs religion. I was disputing the notion that they spanish had any moral standing at all to stand on when they did shit like I detailed in the post you quoted all the time and some more
 
There is a VAST difference between some asshats trying to justify their brutal executions in the name of God and a religion who's entire basis is "the gods are hungry for blood and we must start wars to capture people to feed them"

Flower war - Wikipedia
Indeed. One group is fulfilling the beliefs of their religion in order to keep the world from ending, while the other is breaking every rule and belief their society and religion proclaim to respect, and engaging in sheer atrocity for the pleasure of it.

One of these groups could, with work, be convinced to stop doing what they are doing over time, much like the other allies of the Romans. The other is the Spanish.
 
I want to see orthodox Christian Aztec and catholic Christian Inca.
Is it likely that the Inca shrug off the Spanish in this timeline? With the Roman adventurers running around I wonder if information/people have been able to inform the Inca about whats going on in central America, a lot of what Pizarro did was because he was given a lot of good will, which would certainly not exist if any Romans were around before he got there. Also, the butterfly effect of European diseases arriving early may influence things, because it was those diseases that caused the Incan succession crisis to begin with... that could have started and ended before the Spanish arrival
 
Is it likely that the Inca shrug off the Spanish in this timeline? With the Roman adventurers running around I wonder if information/people have been able to inform the Inca about whats going on in central America, a lot of what Pizarro did was because he was given a lot of good will, which would certainly not exist if any Romans were around before he got there. Also, the butterfly effect of European diseases arriving early may influence things, because it was those diseases that caused the Incan succession crisis to begin with... that could have started and ended before the Spanish arrival
Yup, also if they want to resist Aztec, Spanish, Portuguese, and "Byzantine" aka Roman influence they can simply convert to Catholicism and "own" Spain by allying France.
 
One thing we'll note is that, in spite of it being fairly obvious the Purepecha convert, they aren't going to become vassals of anyone. While it's true the Romans will largely surpass them in the long run…

They'll remain an alliance of more or less equals. Our Native friends will retain most of their existing culture, too. Roman influences aside.

(Right now, they're arguably the stronger of the two)
 
One thing we'll note is that, in spite of it being fairly obvious the Purepecha convert, they aren't going to become vassals of anyone. While it's true the Romans will largely surpass them in the long run…

They'll remain an alliance of more or less equals. Our Native friends will retain most of their existing culture, too. Roman influences aside. (Right now, they're arguably the stronger of the two)

Another point in favor of alliance is that the Romans already tried building an empire through conquest. One of the main reasons the Roman Empire collapsed in the first place is that without modern (telegraphs and later) communications, the empire simply became too bloated and cumbersome to effectively manage or control.

Far better to maintain a collection of allies and vassals. Most of the power and influence for a fraction of the running costs.
 
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Or not convert and actually keep their own culture instead of bevoming European vassals
Nah, Christianity is pretty good when it comes to syncretism with local traditions and cultures as long as they aren't outright evil. And from what I remember the Inti faith was pretty animistic anyways, with a heavy dose of ancestor reverence.
 
Or not convert and actually keep their own culture instead of bevoming European vassals
Inca could still convert WITHOUT becoming a vassal. People converting away from Inti due to the human sacrifice thing, devastating civil wars (2 or 3 civil wars with each one individually killing 1,000,000+ people cuz Roman virus OP), and Spanish as well as Portuguese influence leads to Incan society converting to Catholicism. Peru (What I'll call Catholic Inca) wants to stay independent and not be a vassal/colony of Spain or Portugal. My thinking is that France being too far away to influence or vassalize Peru while still being a powerhouse herself would allow Peru to enact The Triple Alliance between France and The Ottomans! (This is with influences from the Aztec Empire who's also known as The Triple Alliance. Ottomans and France were Allies IRL until they weren't anyways so…)
 
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If they did convert without becoming a vassal, itd be rare. Historically speaking most such mass conversion was done either by force by a hegemon, by cultural conquest by a cultural hegemon, or in an attempt to ingratiate to a stronger power. Conversion without it being an expression of fealty or assimilation has certainly happened, but not often.
 
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