Speaking of Demon Flamez, I'd give it a decent chance Jorogumo to be the one who had killed Natasha during her frenzied and hungering state. Which could make the whole recruitment process a touch more complicated. A complication I'd accept all the same :V
 
I'm not fully done picking my brain off the floor but I'd like to state for the record that I'm still feeling very positive over Kermie's build.

Dreamer From Beyond Our World
DNA Profiles: Seraph (6), Memoria (4), Steadfast (2), Daggermaw (1)
Potency: 13
Keywords: [True Telepathy], [Flight], [Invulnerability], [Telekinesis], [Battle Precognition], [Phasewalking]

I'm also leaning in the direction of Handyman definitely going to the FZ, alongside either Chatelet or Menagerie Witch. Probably MW due to a higher ESP, but honestly, the child going missing is the more narratively dangerous option, so who knows.
 
I don't think Menagerie Witch should be left out because she might have some ability to keep Doc Silver in line during Demon Flamez. She's after revenge, too, and she might be able to convince him that LPP is a bigger threat than Pholgiston.
 
The disadvantage of a missing Chatelet is that she is perhaps one of our biggest chance to calming a grief-stricken and enraged Towarri down. This is merely me putting guessworks though but it could be erroneous. In exchange, we send our second-in-command over to the group and an experienced metahuman with specialization over barriers.

On the other hand, a missing Menagerie Witch means a potential missed cue in not just Demon Flamez which she has stake over, but also Third Person whose familiars could help Valiant Gold go against the psychic parasite. In exchanges, the Frozen Throne group would have a metahuman whose powers allows her to be fairly adaptive.

Hmmmm, I'm starting to lean toward Chatelet but the want to hear more opinions on the matter first.
 
Right, but Intangibility is the lesser version of Phasewalking. And Red Huntress already has 4 out of the 5 keywords required for that.
Well yeh but Seraph can get Phasewalker, Telekinesis and BattlePrecog with Seraph likley making her the 2nd most powerful psyhic in the world. While RH scaling as useful as it is works just as well with other Candidates.

Hell RH can get Phasewalker, Battleprecog and telekeniss too with Just Memoria and Daggermaw. Shelley being buffed by 2 can get it.

RH using Invisbility instead of Invulnerability, while telekinesis using Energy Manipulating should make it different enough from Seraph not to mention the scaling from RH transformation.
 
Hopefully the people who were aware for Eidolon Part 4 were paying attention, because it just occured to me that if Ellie were inclined to do so, she could point out that JU helped avenge Justicar in a way, by getting a victory the Americans spent her life to achieve but failed to get, as per the admission of the parties they were digging for.

In another note, does anyone know what the zalgo text ciphers to like last time? Anansi might be LA at work, or whatever Hand did, or something else entirely.
 
Well yeh but Seraph can get Phasewalker, Telekinesis and BattlePrecog with Seraph likley making her the 2nd most powerful psyhic in the world. While RH scaling as useful as it is works just as well with other Candidates.

Hell RH can get Phasewalker, Battleprecog and telekeniss too with Just Memoria and Daggermaw. Shelley being buffed by 2 can get it.

RH using Invisbility instead of Invulnerability, while telekinesis using Energy Manipulating should make it different enough from Seraph not to mention the scaling from RH transformation.

Seraph + Red Huntress gets Intangibility (Seraph gives the last stack of Clairvoyance required) and leaves 1 potency left over, so adding Daggermaw means it hits all of the other synergies you mentioned. That's the whole reason I even brought this up in the first place.
 
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Leizi is probably not a good idea as her advantages are when she has networks to interact with, and those aren't in the Frozen Throne. That leaves Handyman and Châtelet.

Promble is sparksurfer is calling for LL so same reaason we cant put DS there.
Any character specific-skills, you get access to. So if LL is chosen, you still get Spider's Web and all of her contacts with no penalty.
Come to think of it, @Bitterman, jokingly, but also with all sincerity, have we found ourselves secretly in a DBZ cosmology?

(The difference between regular metahumans and not is ...a bit large here)
Eh, don't worry too much. Things on the Stage get weird.
BTW QM do we lose any AP from 2 members going with Yara?
You don't. And Belle is a full member, so you get 9 AP next turn.
could see an interesting argument being made for having Leizi be there for a narrative POV
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...Bitterman have you played Phoenix Wright, out of curiosity?
I've played and beaten every game in English.
I wonder what were the other 3 places Yara and Co could have gone to.
1. Creature's Den
2. Rungs of the Ladder
4. NID
I'm much more inclined to use Red Huntress now. We don't need the full synergy set, we saw in the update that the scaling component can upgrade keywords. So we get Intangibility, but we can bump it up to Phasewalking.
I can't promise that's how it will work everytime; the scaling was super juiced by Dynamite and the opponent.
 
Leizhen is not necessarily a bad choice for Frozen Throne if people don't want to send Chatelet and MW. Granted this is a gamble, but as we were shown there is far more to her powers than even she realized. She's either very efficient, or some kind of passive energy absorber, which combined with her skillset could be very useful in guiding everyone to safety in the dangerous pit that is the FT.

Granted it is a gamble that going stealth heavy works, so who knows.
 
....I have no words... this... I... great work as always Bitterman.
Now I See why Reality Check expires next turn and WHY it needs to be taken with the Magicsl girl mission, oh this is goimg to be hell.
Yay RSG is alive! Yay Stockpile freed her!
....Oh fuck Stockpile got to her first! (Leviathan Dammit Stockpile!)
Oh and he got the Guts expy...well damn.

Everybody is scrambling... I think we might end blowing the lid on Project Prometheus in the next few turns ngl...

Also Yara is AWOL in the FT with Katie and I honestly dont Know who to send. Handyman seems like a given
But Between LL, MW, and Chatelet? No clue.
MW can help with Third Person and has a bit of stakes in the Demon Flamez Mission.
Chatelet is useful with her barriers and gravity and has balanced stats, but could be helpful with calming down Towarri (along side LL).
LL is a good ESP choice but limits us with the possible RSG confrontation/ we dont have access to her spiders web.

Honestly Im leaning towards MW and HM in the throne.
As for the plan, the Seraph plans works for me.
 
Well, we definitely shouldn't offscreen both our leader and second in command. Unless you really want to see our two useless lesbians fighting over who gets to be in charge (they're both refusing to take up the leadership role and insisting the other person is the better fit).

...Wait, now I'm tempted.
 
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Im pretty sure LL unknown power is absorbing electricity to boost her body and lets her store it for a mega electric attack.
The question is if its only a specific sort of electricity, of if there's a larger range of energy as well.

Well, we definitely shouldn't offscreen both our leader and second in command. Unless you really want to see our two useless lesbians fighting over who gets to be in charge.
Well my argument was LL and Handyman. Two good operators to help lead the group to safety. I want to see Chatelet acting as JU's leader, because that would be a fun PoV switch.
 
That bitch. That slut. That whore. If you hate anyone more than Yazmin Oliveira, it's the Speaker.

She stands before Hand in all his horrorglory. A position of honor that should be yours. Yours!

Only you can appreciate what Hand is! A monstrosity. A mockery of godhood. He is divine.

Only he could command your loyalty. You are trapped. Only he could command you in any capacity! He recognized your perfection! The only since Harper to do so. He made you a slave. He elevated you, made you one of his Mysteries, and in His name you have killed, mained, extorted, and all other kinds of sins.

A small price to pay. When he gazes upon you, the void stops. Because all thought does.

But that vile tramp, that Speaker! She is the Mouth of your master, speaking with his voice. But she forgets her place. She's little more than a glorified secretary, nothing like yourself. But she dares to look down on you. She dares to scold you like an errant child. She dares tell Hand of your transgressions.

N-no! Not transgressions. It is all in His name! B-but you saw an opportunity—

"Stop thinking, you dolt," Speaker says without emotion, "You're not suited for it. It's what has gotten you in this mess."

"Mess?" you laugh, "A mess? I snuck in under those fools' noses. The Americans were none the wiser that I visited their little prize and even added her to my Admirers. The prize who they sacrificed their Justiciar for! They were so certain one of us would be at the so-called 'Movement' that they sent their weapon to capture one of us. But the only person her Edict captured was a failed Star! And, in the process, she even allowed Bethemoths to overrun them!"

You throw your head back and laugh. The irony is too great. The idiots! The fools! A desperate play to challenge you all, and all they managed was to destroy themselves and every hero who would oppose you!

"Now that we know for certain they've gained nothing of value, Horizon is ours for the taking! Faust and his Powers will—"

"You overstep yourself, Key," the Speaker interrupts, "Horizon belongs to our master."

"Y-yes! Of course!" you say panicking.

"And we already knew who they captured. We can see whatever we wish, whenever we wish. Which is how we saw your blunder."

"Y-you did?! You can?! Why was I not informed?!"

"Because you did not need to know." She speaks as if she was discussing the weather. "You are an outsider."

You hiss at the accusation. You are one of the Hand's Mysteries! Who cares how you came to serve him?!

"Did you stop to think that if the Americans had captured you, they would have gained all they lost during the Movement? Did you stop to think that you would have been ordered to infiltrate them if we required you to? No, you thought only of your own self-aggrandizement. As always."

"You dare presume to speak like this to me? Me—"

"I presume nothing. I speak with the voice of our master. But if you do not believe me, he wishes to tell you directly."

D-directly? Hand will speak to you directly? Such an honor! You will be recognized directly! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, run--

The world around you fades, save for the pileThrone of Flesh before you. The voice of madnessa god touches your mind.

"YOU HAVE DISAPPOINTED ME, MY KEY."

Your body goes numb in shock. From Speaker, you could dismiss it as the jealous ravings of a lesser creature. From Hand himself . . .

It hurts like your parents' disappointment used to hurt.

"YOU FORGET YOURSELF, CHILD. YOUR ERROR NEARLY COST US EVERYTHING."

"I-I'm sorry!" you sob, meaning it for one of the few times in your life. The weight of it on your mind is like a splinter under every one of your fingernails.

"IT IS NOT WHOLLY YOUR FAULT. YOU WERE NOT RAISED CORRECTLY. YOUR ENCODING IS INCOMPLETE. IT IS I WHO BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY."

"W-what?" you say, hope blossoming in your chest.

"THEREFORE AS A LOVING FATHER, I MUST DISCIPLINE YOU."


"No!" you scream, "Please, no! Anything but that—"

And suddenly, you're a little girl again, back in the closet. You can feel the wood under your hands, the same musty smell of tears and stale urine. You scream and scream and scream, scratch at the doors until your hands are bloody and worn away, but it is useless. You are totally, utterly alone.

You stay there for three years.

Then, your punishment ends. Your back before the Speaker and you god, curled in a ball and sobbing. You don't care about the indignity. You don't care if it was all in your own mind. To the outside world, a moment passed.

But you, only you, felt every second.

"NOW, CHILD, ARE YOU READY TO EARN FORGIVENESS?"

"Yes, please, anything," you sob, "Anything."

Anything.
Okay, here's the translated parts from Katherines memories of Hand.
 
the scaling was super juiced by Dynamite and the opponent
If you don't mind answering, when did the "opponent" part of things come into play with the update, to try and distinguish between the effects of the two?

Similarly, would the reason we can't reuse combinations here be that that would cause Ellie to instantly fail the proverbial sanity check due to Stage influence?



True Telepathy seems pretty strange: What's False Telepathy?
My guess is that TT is true awareness of something mental about the other person regardless of consent (and would Hand be Reality Warping + TT or Mental Alteration as well, considering the descriptions then?)
 
Well my argument was LL and Handyman. Two good operators to help lead the group to safety. I want to see Chatelet acting as JU's leader, because that would be a fun PoV switch.

See, that was also my first instinct, but now I'm thinking about the potential shenanigans if we temporarily offline our leadership and leave Black Swan and Valiant Gold to run the show. It's a dumb option, but in terms of drama and story potential...

(Also, possibly means we have a chance to temporarily recruit Sunlight Knight for a heroic rescue)
 
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See, that was also my first instinct, but now I'm thinking about the potential shenanigans if we temporarily offline our leadership and leave Black Swan and Valiant Gold to run the show. It's a dumb option, but in terms of drama and story potential...

(Also, possibly means we have a chance to temporarily recruit Sunlight Knight for a heroic rescue)
Oh god.

This is such a terrible idea.

I want to see it tho.
 
Also, did anyone else notice that odds of societal collapse and the odds of JU successfully attacking Elysium with Yara are inversely proportional?

My gut answer is "yes, anyone would", but I'm learning to ignore that and actually point things out. :p
 
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