Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)
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Princess could have gestated in a vat/tube.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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I am not. I started off from things textually stated on the narrative and extrapolated into one of the only possible directions that I couldn't discount. I had an entire (really long) process for it. I spent several hours trying to detail said thought process in this very post, but it got too out of hand so I deleted it all. It'd have just been a really patronizing wall of text.
The TL;DR is this: I went into it trying to figure out the Woman in Blue, went off into trying to figure out the memory bleed-over thing, went over to the Yazmin video thing, then tried going to other peoples' theories for inspiration, and then I stumbled into 'alternate universe Nora' as a theory.
I tried to disprove to myself the alternate universe thing, then reasoned that Bitterman is in fact a big enough fan of the superhero genre (and a good enough author) to have the confidence to include said alternate universes into the narrative. We're already up to our neck in superhero/cape tropes. This would just be one more.
Then I put together yesterday's post about how Woman in Blue is probably from another universe. I think it's way more plausible than my other previous (and private) speculations - that she's some sort of alternate personality Nora naturally has, or made using EXCEED, or that she somehow got another soul within her soul as part of some sort of really-out-there reincarnation shenanigans during the Susurration. Somehow, the alternate universe theory seems like the most plausible one to me.
So no, it's not so much that I want it to be the answer so much as I really just think it is.
That may well be the case! But I cannot help but note that when Ellie visited the Stage, it was noted to be in a way worse state than when Mona was dragged in during EXCEED. There appears to be some continuity, at least.
The first two memory bleed-overs that Ellie gets from touching Nora are definitely not Nora or her, they're other people - probably Valkyrie and King, honestly, given the mention of "Name is bitter for the man on top of the mountain" and "Radiation? No, wised up to it. Shielded. She won't fall prey to that trick again".
But given that both viewpoints appear to be fighting each other, that's not a psychic gestalt, it sounded like either Nora's being used to either spy on them both somehow, or used as a targeting program of sorts by Valkyrie to fight King (a 'partner running interference', as the second viewpoint says).
You mean Towarri, given that she pointed out in her video that she has a star-shaped mark on her ankle. But yes, Yazmin might be in a similar situation, given that Apiary explicitly held back the samples of Towarri's, Nora's and Yazmin's DNA samples. I don't think any of them are alive, but they're not dead enough to use their DNA.
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Parabola
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I'm gonna be honest, I lost track of this thread 20 posts ago. Can one of you guys please give me a TL;DR? I'm so confused rn.
Basically: We are discussing the theory that the Woman in Blue (and possibly the Yazmin from the video we saw in Prevail) are alternate-universe versions of Nora and Yazmin, somehow.
daedalus725
Kell of Kells, godking of Planet X
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So our theory as of right now the lady in blue is an Alternate nora
I'm gonna be honest, I lost track of this thread 20 posts ago. Can one of you guys please give me a TL;DR? I'm so confused rn.
And the yaz we can't find the reason it's fake yet might be an alt yaz
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We can get more insight into the video after we get Jair arrested for trying to kill Yara. Once we have that locked up, should be easy enough to seize his computer and check his email, see if it really was sent to him.
Hes the CEO of the biggest corp in Horizon, even if there was an independent city government I don't think he'd actually go to prison unless JU puts him in the Frozen Hut or whatever we end up calling Wolong's proposal
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He pointedly isn't? He needs 50+% shares to take over, and he only has 40. That's why Yara's 11 is the magic number for him.
you're right, hexs not the CEO or the owner, hes just on the board and owns 40% of the company, but he's still rich and powerful enough to avoid prison
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I assume Yara and Belle have some evidence in their end. Socialite Butterfly might spill something if we catch her. Leizi has her ways to gather intel.
And honestly? Silvio might kick him out of the evidence is overwhelming enough, he has a sense of justice still. And the Philosophers would not hesitate to drop someone if they became a liability.
Plus, even if he ends up fine, he would still be tarred in the court of public opinion and I'm certain his enemies on the board would leap on the opportunity to attack further.
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I mean, good luck.
I've read DC comics consistently since . . . 2005? My favs are Batgirl (2000), Dennis O'Neil's run on The Question, and Justice League International.
My top 5 manga anime are:
1) Berserk
2) Fullmetal Alchemist
3) Steins;Gate
4) 20th Century Boys/Pluto
5) The Big O
My theory is that there's an environmental factor/trigger, so it may not be a coincidence, but much like in Worm, adopted or step relatives would also have a disproportionately high rate. Which might be why they so sure it's not genetic, now that I think about. 🤔
I mean, where was it ever indicated he was trying to kill her? I'm not saying he isn't or won't, but we don't have any evidence for it.
Likewise, him working with Socialite Butterfly isn't confirmed either. It's possible that the cloner is independent of the Philosophers and wants Yara personally, or if they are Key, as leverage over Jair.
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There is a logic here: Jair needs Yara's shares. Socialite Butterfly can kill Yara and then clone her (Source: Harper's parents from her posthumous diary) to make it seem like she's had a change of heart.
SB, or the Philosophers, could also want too be able to steal Yara's life just as its own leverage! 10% of the world's biggest company is worth a lot. It doesn't need to be Jair behind it, even if it might be.
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EternalObserver
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I mean, before we found out about Socialite Butterfly, I presumed based on Yazmin's will video that Jair was gonna send people after Yara. He has the motive and potential means after all.
Parabola
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I think Socialite Butterfly kinda has to be playing under Cold War rules, here. If the city finds out there's a power copier around who can make clones, there may very well be a city-wide truce as everyone stops what they're doing to kill Socialite Butterfly.
So she cannot be too blatant with her clones. She's gone two decades under the radar and while undoubtedly that's probably her using some of the powers of the clones she's accumulated under the years to be subtle and erase memories of her, or something, some of that has gotta be her own restraint and caution too. She would probably not bring out her big guns unless she had no choice, because the big guns risk her cover entirely.
...Similarly, we ourselves cannot just out her right now because holy shit she might just drop everything and go scorched earth on our asses. We, too, must operate under Cold War rules to some extent.
That said, if we are actually worried about her showing up in Hero Worship and copying our heroes... I would say we absolutely shouldn't risk the possibility of Mona being copied - we don't know whether SB would need to just touch her construct-body, or her core, but I would rather not find out the hard way. Ellie is definitely one of the strongest options for the mission, followed up by Maddie (can her clones be cloned themselves? would a clone of Maddie have her own Menagerie, or would it have to get its own?), Rhys (he might not be able to get copied, and even if he can, his power is not much without imagination and improvisation, which the clones are known to lack) and probably Doctor Silver (currently posing as a tech hero, would not be a priority for copying).
That's quite decent! Nearly two decades of comics is nothing to sneeze at.
An interesting spread. I can see the influences in your writing! Asides from Berserk (which has its own things going on), all of these revolve around pretty intensely-plotted-out series-wide mysteries that feed you breadcrumbs at every turn and which can be pretty emotionally intense. The way you do something similar here is one of the highlights of the quest, IMO.
Oh, I didn't remember it being so explicit.
Yeah fair enough it probably is him.
StarSingerBlue
Zenryoku Zenkai !
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I read that recently it was incredible.
Parabola
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I assume that it's not like a hive mind where if one clone touches someone SB can clone them. So as long as Mona keeps in the air out of SB's reach she should be good.