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Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)

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ScorpioSting said:
Does something have to be directly aimed at her, specifically, to be reflected? Like, with the insult guy from the charity gala that was mentioned: because she is a part of New Dawn, would an insult of New Dawn still be reflected, because she's a part of it?

And do all reflections return to sender automatically with no input from Arc herself, or can they be diverted or controlled where they go? Say, if she was blasted with something but didn't want it to hit the attacker directly because she wants them apprehended nonlethally.
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She just needs to be in the area of effect. And she has some degree of control as to where it is defected to.
ScorpioSting said:
Or do you try to save that for when we're actively doing our votes?
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Usually when folks are actually voting.
Wing101r said:
GTL 90-93
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Very nice! +1!
 
So hear me out: Given that the first generation was Valiant Red and the second generation was Valiant Silver, it logically follows that the third generation should be called Valiant Sapphire.

(What's Nintendo going to do, sue us?)
 
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Arcus said:
So hear me out: Given that the first generation was Valiant Red and the second generation was Valiant Silver, it logically follows that the third generation should be called Valiant Sapphire.

(What's Nintendo going to do, sue us?)
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So Red, then Silver(aka off coloured White/Whitish grey) and finally Sapphire(aka shade of blue)? HMMMM.... :evil:

Also, hi, binged the quest over the last two days and I haven't seen this bit of speculation yet: Fish is... supposedly deceased water heiress. Fuck if I can remember that name.

Edit: Uiara, according to the front page.
 
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Gore17 said:
So Red, then Silver(aka off coloured White/Whitish grey) and finally Sapphire(aka shade of blue)? HMMMM.... :evil:

Also, hi, binged the quest over the last two days and I haven't seen this bit of speculation yet: Fish is... supposedly deceased water heiress. Fuck if I can remember that name.

Edit: Uiara, according to the front page.
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Probably cause we all assume she's for real dead dead. And iirc she was last seen being snatched up by a Behemoth, so it's a fair conclusion to make.
 
Gore17 said:
Fish is the one being mind controlled, and is terrified because the time it takes for her to gain some self-awareness is longer each time.
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No I mean there's no reason for her to be at a meeting like the one we saw since the primary use the Philosophers would have for her is her Osayin shares, so they wouldn't really let her near sensitive information.
Plus the tattoo indicates she was likely one of the children raised by the Hand like Towarri was. Anansi was captured by them as an adult after all and doesn't have the tattoo.
 
Anyway, on PC rather then phone now, so my logic:
1) The simplest. Fish = Water. Pretty basic, but hey, it is what it is.
2) It's mentioned that the method used to control them has been improved, and we see it with Anansi. Anansi has only extremely recently been forcibly recruited like this and has her moments where she "wakes up", like Fish. That indicates that they were taken on a roughly similar timescale.
3) Star was ordered to get Sun and Fish ready for something. Two updates later, we get the Uiara video.
4) The video was, by all indications, sent from her personal screen, which she had on her, and her body/remains were never recovered:
Bitterman said:
It appears to have been sent from her personal screen, which was on her when she died.
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Bitterman said:
Her body was never recovered.
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5) The video, with Wolong's power confirming it, was created by Uiara, who believed what she said.
6) The video also seems very unlikely to have actually been created by Uiara before her death, from what we know.
7) Therefore, we must square this circle. Either it's completely real and it's a tragic misunderstanding on her part that coincidentally aligns amazingly with our enemies or they've somehow created an utterly amazing fake.
8) But if she not dead, and is being mind controlled, then suddenly the video is now completely plausible to create. And her death was never actually confirmed, it's just assumed.
9) Fish is being mind controlled, and was being prepared for some task. Fish=Water. It fits.
StarSingerBlue said:
No I mean there's no reason for her to be at a meeting like the one we saw since the primary use the Philosophers would have for her is her Osayin shares, so they wouldn't really let her near sensitive information.
Plus the tattoo indicates she was likely one of the children raised by the Hand like Towarri was. Anansi was captured by them as an adult after all and doesn't have the tattoo.
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Fish wasn't one of them:
Bitterman said:
If you ever see anyone with a sun, lanturn, star, key, or a moon over a crown, they probably came from the same place I did.
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And you're assuming that there's no reason for her in the meeting. From what we see, their brainwashing is reshaping Fish's mind. Such as changing her disgust at Hand into reverence.

Having a highly beloved hero turned into your loyal, dedicated agent you can pull out of your back pocket when needed is a hell of a card to play. Especially since they've laid the groundwork for public distrust of Justice Unlimited. Spin a story of her miraculous survival, hiding due to fear of what her former team is doing...

We also don't know for sure if Anansi does or does not have a tattoo. She might not, or it might not have appeared. We're missing the Flame from the Hand of Philosophy afterall, and look, Anansi was part of that meeting as well, providing security. :p

Also, for reference, here's the meeting with the warped text translated:
Bitterman said:
You are trapped.

You sit in front of a computer counsel, the emblem of a fish tattooed on the back of your hand. The room around you is dark. With you is Star, looking posh and self-assured as always, as well as Sun. Star sees you staring and raises an eyebrow. Sun just gazes forward, an empty expression on his face as always.

No. No. You don't want to end up like him. Help. Please. God, someone help you.

Star continues examining you, but when you say nothing, you can't., she turns back to the screen. Just in time for all of the other members to join.

There is yourself, Sun, and Star. Key appears demanding to know why she was kept waiting. Lantern is next, her appearance hidden as always. Hand is last to arrive, the Speaker appearing for it, a Japanese woman with tired eyes and prematurely gray hair.

You feel disappointment at not seeing Hand. It is glorious. You feel relief he is not here. He is disgusting.

"Calm yourself," the Speaker says, tersely, "Crown-over-Moon was delayed. He will be joining us shortly. If you cannot be patient, you can at least silence your prattle."

Key gasps in outrage, and promises revenge. But the Speaker just ignores her, as if she were insignificant.

Key likely would have escalated, but just then, finally, the last member arrives. It is an impossibly thin man in a suit, sitting in a large office. There's something different about him this time, however. His perpetually bored expression is filled with delight. His immaculately groomed hair is out of place, but he looks more alive than he ever has. Key complains that he kept them all waiting.

"Yes, I did," he agrees, "But I had to ensure our private connection. Or do you want this meeting intercepted? I'll remind you that we have not yet located Moon River."

Next to him is a dark-skinned woman starting ahead and operating a computer with a blank gaze. She wears a black costume inlaid with a pattern of blue circuitry. An IV extends from her arm, into a solution in a bag that is being fed into her. She is like you.

You can see she's moderating the call, and Moon-over-Crown gestures for her to encrypt it. She doesn't react. Moon-over-Crown drops his grin and signs, taking out a sryinge and then injecting something—No. No!—into the port that finds its way to the girl. She then moves like a robot, encrypting the connection and making it impossible to trace.

"Ah, tedious. I'm not sure how you manage with Sun, Star," he says.

Star gives an elegant, rueful smile.

"We all must do the best with what the Hand has blessed us. I am,however, glad the method has been improved," she says with a pointed glance at you, "Managing two of them would be beyond even me."

"Did Black Swan really beat Scarlet Maturity?" Lantern interrupts. She acts too young and impulsive for her own good.

"Ah, you were watching were you?" Moon-over-Crown says, "I thought the Speaker instructed you to avoid her."

"I was far away," Lantern protests, "She can't see if I'm far enough away!"

You get the impression that the last part was directed at the Speaker. She says nothing.

"S-so, did she?"

Moon-over-Crown nods, "She did. Christian is overjoyed. He has been sulking since we refused to allow him to engage the thirteen of the Catch-22."

Moon-over-Crown shrugs in an ill-fitting, casual gesture.

"Lady Leizi thoroughly outmaneuvered us. Justice Unlimited remains opaque, the details of 'Project Prometheus' unknown. And now, with them back in the Apiary, they will be hidden from our sight once again."

". . . the Apiary is mean. It can see me peeking," Lantern sulks.

Key says Moon-over-Crown seems pleased with being incompetent.

"Pleased? I'm positively energized. Worthy opponents are to be cherished, after all," he says, "Perhaps it's just a difference in philosophy. You, my dear Key, are what one might call 'eusocial'. You believe society should be organized in a strict caste system organized around the needs of the reproducer. I am a social darwinist. The strong become stronger or they are left behind."

Moon-over-Crown gives a rare grin.

"The world was so dull before. Now we have foes we can't watch and with knives hidden up their sleeves. We shall overcome them, or we were never meant to be masters of this world."

Key calls Moon-over-Crown filthy names that do nothing to diminish his grin. Key gets even angrier, but there is a loud, booming, disgusting glorious gurgle you hear in your mind. Ah, Hand is here after all!

"Hand sees merit in Moon-over-Crown's position even if the Hand does not endorse it," the Speaker says, "Now cease this squabbling. Moon-over-Crown, I assume you have plans to make up for your failure."

"As ever," Moon-over-Crown says, "Dominion's pillars cannot remain secret any longer. If we do not reveal them, then Lady Leizi will. To that end, I've reached out to the Americans and Allied Global Logistics. You'll see the announcement in the coming days."

"They're cooperating?" Star says, "How unexpected."

"Yes," Moon-over-Crown agrees, "However, after their sacrificial dragnet of Justiciar turned up nothing but your genuinely ignorant predecessor, they're desperate. King grows ever closer to his quarry. It seems he has help now as well. The Interlocutor has grown more cunning as well—no doubt using who it took from the QZ—but it's only a matter of time before it is pinned down."

"We will act before then," the Speaker says, "Now, everyone will separately receive their orders. Star, prepare your charges. It's almost time."

"Very well." She looks at you. "Fish will need more preparation however. It seems she's awake again."

You scream inside your own mind. No, please, God no. It's harder to come back every time you go away. Help. Please. Anyone.

Help.

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Edit: Before any asks/points out, Uiara didn't know about Project Prometheus.
Bitterman said:
"If things are bad enough . . . initiate Project Prometheus. Only you, Nora, and I are aware of its existence and, of the three of us, you are best suited to lead it."
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If Fish is Uiara, I can just imagine how annoyed they are at that fact.
 
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Obviously can't comment either way, but thank you for reading and I want to know I appreciate this level of theory-crafting. I eat this shit up with a spoon.
 
Motherfucker, something just clicked:
Bitterman said:
You've known Sunny since she was a girl. Dick brought her specifically to you, after he realized what her power was. Deadman knew how corporations and organizations would use up an Algernon-type until there was nothing left but an empty shell. He didn't want that life for his little sister. Novalight had gnashed her teeth and protested, but here you held firm. Sunny was allowed to develop her specialization safely and only used her power when absolutely necessary.

She was a bright, happy girl who became a bright, confident young woman. She matched her name perfectly. She was the voice in the ear of every metahuman in New Dawn, friendly rivals and gaming partners with Moon River, and the only person keeping her brother tethered to reality.

But after the Movement, she disappeared off the face of the Earth.
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If the above speculation of Uiara = Fish and the more tenous suggestion of Anansi = Fire is correct, there's an additional factoid: Anansi's real name is Sunny. Sunny = Sun = Fire.

I presume if this is the case, they(and Bitterman) have a truly amazingawful sense of humour. :p

"Wait, her real name is Sunny? Well, that seals it, she's Fire, the other's Fish. Pity that Sun was already taken, but it works well enough."
 
So, we've gotten foreshadowing that Ellie getting the EXCEED armor is... not a good time. The main question is if there was something about Ellie's personality or experiences specifically that will cause the experience to be worse than it would otherwise be, or if this was going to be a rough time regardless of who got the armor.
 
Silverking said:
So, we've gotten foreshadowing that Ellie getting the EXCEED armor is... not a good time. The main question is if there was something about Ellie's personality or experiences specifically that will cause the experience to be worse than it would otherwise be, or if this was going to be a rough time regardless of who got the armor.
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It was always going to be bad.

For Ellie . . . sometimes the fever has to get worse before it gets better.
 
Elle seems cursed to suffer
All the more reason she doesn't need
Bitterman said:
It was always going to be bad.

For Ellie . . . sometimes the fever has to get worse before it gets better.
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What if we made Yara elementally immorttal ... Like Automne autobiokinesis invulnerability intangibility?

Combo of Automne + Steadfast and Antaeus Double up on Invincible and lemetal Manipulation... Plus she flies
 
Crazyone47 said:
Combo of Automne + Steadfast and Antaeus Double up on Invincible and lemetal Manipulation... Plus she flies
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Ehhh, Antaeus' whole thing is that he needed contact with the ground to work, pushing for it to work while she would be flying seems a little bit tricky to do? Any reason not to just grab Crimson Soprano for further boosting flight, while Steadfast is the very strong inviolable invulnerability? Only leaves one point but Hydrocity is right there for the combo with the winds.

Also Antaeus is Energy Manipulation, not Elemental Manipulation.
 
That actually brings up a question ....

How much does the potency of the DNA sample matter in Ambrosia.... Like do the Keywords get expressed more?

Is it more advantageous to just go for more keywords or does the potency of the component DNA matter in the power of the Ambrosia candidate?
 
Crazyone47 said:
That actually brings up a question ....

How much does the potency of the DNA sample matter in Ambrosia.... Like do the Keywords get expressed more?

Is it more advantageous to just go for more keywords or does the potency of the component DNA matter in the power of the Ambrosia candidate?
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…didn't Wolong say something about higher Potency being something we should focus on? In Janus #1 I think.

Edit: right here.
Bitterman said:
"Precisely," Wolong says, "The greater potency of her power effectively gave her half of Blue Skies powerset—moving water vapor. For that reason, it may be just as effective to have a high-potency combination of metahumans with the same kind of powers as it is to have a diverse amalgam."
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So more potency can be just as good as a grab bag.
 
Ah, because of course she'd put a Character Development Check on her masterpiece, wouldn't she?

Can't let someone who'll abuse it use the most powerful piece of technology ever built, huh?
 
Alectai said:
Ah, because of course she'd put a Character Development Check on her masterpiece, wouldn't she?

Can't let someone who'll abuse it use the most powerful piece of technology ever built, huh?
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Thats... yeah no that totally a valid countermeasure. We know Ellie is Justice aligned and a good fit, but personal issues CAN change that. Not enough to go bad, but she can let her emotions cloud her judgement and could end up doing something she will regret.
 
Possible. The other possibility is that by connecting to "the stage"/human psychic background field, combined with the "Extreme Psychic Sensitivity", she's now going to be getting a first hand, if abstract/far out, look at the entirety of human experiences.
 
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