I guess my confusion is that I specifically asked for the contact information for the Elite girls, as in individuals. So whether they were part of a group shouldn't matter.
Since I figured even a solo Elite girl is worth contacting.
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I guess my confusion is that I specifically asked for the contact information for the Elite girls, as in individuals. So whether they were part of a group shouldn't matter.
Since I figured even a solo Elite girl is worth contacting.
The things I'm thinking we want to ask Kyubey for this month:
A complete analysis of the eyeball demon.
Information on demon patrols in Yokohama (to support our scouting clairvoyants)
# of teleport capable demons in Tokyo.
A complete analysis of the eyeball demon.
Information on demon patrols in Yokohama (to support our scouting clairvoyants)
# of teleport capable demons in Tokyo.
Also, can tweak the hunting assignments so that hunting would only require 0.5 hard leather (the rest being normal leather). We could even just buy another leather outfit and be perfectly fine, leaving all of our hard leather outfits available for Tokyo.
I'll add 1 set of leather in this month's purchase for that purpose.
Also also, taking out the rural hunters means they don't need the full kevlar outfits, which I'd forgotten about before. That way, all of our kevlar is available for Tokyo.
Given the meguca limits, we need at least 31 full kevlar outfits. This leaves the 5 teleporters using hard leather. We're starting with 19 sets of clothes and 20 vests.
12 sets of kevlar clothes = $12,000
16 kevlar vests (including the teleporters) = $9,600
Total = $21,600
That would be my starting point on armor purchases.
I'll add 1 set of leather in this month's purchase for that purpose.
Also also, taking out the rural hunters means they don't need the full kevlar outfits, which I'd forgotten about before. That way, all of our kevlar is available for Tokyo.
Given the meguca limits, we need at least 31 full kevlar outfits. This leaves the 5 teleporters using hard leather. We're starting with 19 sets of clothes and 20 vests.
12 sets of kevlar clothes = $12,000
16 kevlar vests (including the teleporters) = $9,600
Total = $21,600
That would be my starting point on armor purchases.
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Powerofmind
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Can't we ask him to facilitate telepathic communications with the Tokyo girls if they 'accept the call'?
@inverted_helix do we lose the progress we made if we put this off for 1-2 months, or can we restart with no penalty?
Maybe this is the time to get Nagisa started on her pet trainer business? We have $2-3K to spare to get her a certification and do some ad work, and it'll take a few months for her to get up to the $2.5-3.5K I expect she can make to start (eventually she'll make six figures as an actual vet, but that's years off); that should lower the ongoing cash sink of the Getaway House if we go that route.
This really seems like a poor time to start on that. At the very least, that will reduce our available vets next month due to prior commitment, and we're already strained in that regard.
If it's only a small gap there will be no penalty.
Well my apologies for the misleading.
Aranfan
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What do you think of asking Kyubey to recruit in our territory so we can free up some vets that are currently locked into jobs?
What do you think of asking Kyubey to recruit in our territory so we can free up some vets that are currently locked into jobs?
So... 22.5 vets as the starting base...
If we can get more clairvoyants from the Coalition/Kofu/15/16 girls we should. We should add actions to try and do that.
Also see if we can get more girls to do hunting in our territory... hmm... maybe at 3 cubes per a vet pair and 2 cubes a vet pack? That gives us a bit of a profit.
And maybe we even let the DS dip a little in our territory. It's inefficient, but we would get some of that back later.
And I don't think we are going to be hurting for cubes once we start killing the class 3 demons.
Let's guess we can get 2 more clairvoyants?
And say... 4 vet pairs hired out to us to hunt?
That's up to 28.5 vets, and then we just let DS drop enough to get 2 more vets available.
My feeling is that we want to over power the class 3 demons in the first two weeks, s we should expect most of the teleporter demons and the beholder to attack us by that point. Once we eliminate the mobbing potential, we should be able to slowly clean up the rest. Heck, even if it takes an extra month to clean up all the suburbs I think we are okay.
It's just that first two weeks that is going to be very dangerous.
Seems out of character for us.
Also, we might get quite a few greens from Tokyo. So I think that is premature.
Hmm. Iffy.
For practical purposes, the max we could free up would be 3 vets.
From a moral standpoint, I don't think Mami would approve of deliberately bringing in new magical girls. As nice as our group is, it's still an ugly life overall. I think the rest of the Serenes would be rather disheartened if they found out Mami took such an action, as well.
@inverted_helix Some pricing checks on the following actions:
This is the Gossipmonger + contacting Elites in Tokyo, does that sound reasonable?
I added on some trade questions to our negotiations with Area 15/16, since we are already spending a lot of effort on them, and since we have already worked out some trade deals, it seems reasonable it won't cost more than the 2 megucas currently used (in some ways the trade offers are even ways to try and encourage further good relations).
I also then added trade deals to Kofu and the Coalition. I gave 1 vet to Kofu since it's our first trade deal, and 0.5 to the Coalition since we've already had a lot of trade contact with them, and we aren't negotiating cube/money prices.
Seem reasonable?
Finally I added an Open Relations with all the Large Organizations that Kyubey is going to tell us about. Since we already have contact info it seems we ought to be able to do this rather easily. Is 1 vet too much?
@Kinematics I get a total of 79.7, any idea where my extra 0.5 cubes came from compared to yours?
Telepathy has short range, we'd have to be in Tokyo already.
Bad timing. Too many demands on both money and megucas.
We asked Kyubey to help us recruit a girl who was already a meguca. That at least was the understanding most people had.
He then brought us a green, and we were not happy that he recruited someone new.
This is the Gossipmonger + contacting Elites in Tokyo, does that sound reasonable?
I added on some trade questions to our negotiations with Area 15/16, since we are already spending a lot of effort on them, and since we have already worked out some trade deals, it seems reasonable it won't cost more than the 2 megucas currently used (in some ways the trade offers are even ways to try and encourage further good relations).
I also then added trade deals to Kofu and the Coalition. I gave 1 vet to Kofu since it's our first trade deal, and 0.5 to the Coalition since we've already had a lot of trade contact with them, and we aren't negotiating cube/money prices.
Seem reasonable?
Finally I added an Open Relations with all the Large Organizations that Kyubey is going to tell us about. Since we already have contact info it seems we ought to be able to do this rather easily. Is 1 vet too much?
@Kinematics I get a total of 79.7, any idea where my extra 0.5 cubes came from compared to yours?
Telepathy has short range, we'd have to be in Tokyo already.
Bad timing. Too many demands on both money and megucas.
We asked Kyubey to help us recruit a girl who was already a meguca. That at least was the understanding most people had.
He then brought us a green, and we were not happy that he recruited someone new.
Unfortunately, I can't imagine any of those groups being happy with the idea. Kofu barely knows us; we're only barely getting back in the Coalition's good graces, and they only loaned us the hunters this month because they couldn't find any downsides to the deal; and 15/16 are paranoid as hell.
Though I suspect Nagoya would be willing to rent a couple out. Would be expensive, though.
Well, let's take a look at what our potential fight risks are.
For normal class 3s, Serena and crew should be able to take them out without much issue. With Serena's aura weakening them, 5 elite+ class fighters should tear through them. The only notable risk I can think of is if they encounter a stealth type, since they have no clairvoyant in their team. We could supplement with Taya, but only as long as the beholder remains tracked. If that's not viable, Mami and Kyouko can move in to support.
Once c/t adds start showing up, things get tricky. Each one of them is going to be similarly weakened, but you need more firepower so that Serena doesn't get overwhelmed. How many are likely to show up at once? From Nagoya's reports, there's enough of a delay per add that we should have a very good chance of killing them before we get overwhelmed. Honestly, three teams plus Mami and the Kyoukos should be able to easily hold the line against anything but an overwhelming swarm.
Nagoya's info says that c/t's are basically guaranteed to be inbound when they start a fight, but they also say that after the first one arrives, they evaluate whether to stay and fight, and only withdraw for sure if a second shows up. That indicates that there should easily be sufficient time to deal with each c/t as it arrives, given Serena's aura, even with just a couple support teams.
Then there's the logistics issue. Demons will be attracted to large concentrations of magical girls, which means they're going to be targeting our support/combat teams, not Serena. That means that bringing more combat teams may actually make us significantly less safe. Our teams need to be spread out enough to not attract attention, while remaining close enough to Serena's aura to move into it quickly in the event of a fight.
Finally, the beholder. Worst case would be the beholder plus c/t swarm, but our scouting should make that impossible. For the fight itself, we would have 9 clear elites (Taya doesn't need to hang back if the beholder fight is starting), and perhaps 21 vet+ units. Whether the vets can perform at an elite level... will probably depend on the training this month. Without getting used to the aura, we can't expect them to be able to properly manage their power at an elite level. But if they are acting as full elites, we're looking at 29 elite+ units against a heavily weakened class 4, when even a full class 4 should be beatable by 15 elites. This improves further if we can get any locals involved.
Given all this, I don't think we need to plan for more than 3 support combat teams. Those teams must expect to do their fighting inside Serena's aura, though, which means we may need to pull back periodically if things drag on too long. We could also rotate people out on a weekly basis to deal with aura overload while still maintaining the abstract numbers allotment.
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A subtraction error. From the gains vs costs, .9 - .7 should be .2, not .7.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
@inverted_helix
Would it be possible for Kyuubey to recruit a few girls again in Mitakihara "in anticipation of losses" if we cashed in some omakes?
Would it be possible for Kyuubey to recruit a few girls again in Mitakihara "in anticipation of losses" if we cashed in some omakes?
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I'm pretty sure you are the only one that wants to do this.
And why would we pay in omakes anyway?
Kyubey charges cubes.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Because IC we wouldn't be asking Kyubey anything, he'd do it on his own.
We'd pay helix the omakes so that Kyubey does this thing.
If we want greens, hell even vets, I'm sure we can have our pick of people who want out of Tokyo.
I agree that we can probably take on the Beholder. But remember that even though Serena's powerset is ideally suited to hunting Class 3 demons, this will actually be her first time doing so against significant resistance (i.e. large groups of teleporting and clairvoyant demons and a potential Class 4). The same is true for Mami and the other elites fighting under the aura for the first time. We can probably take it. But let's not be over confident in our approach.
This.
Actually, there's a fair chance that it takes longer to make veteran in Tokyo. The demon hunts themselves would be easy when DS is less than 0. But if they get attacked by a Class 3, they run or they die. There's plenty of incentive to improve, but there's not much room in between the two extremes for the training necessary to improve one's skills.
What about recruits from Tokyo to fill out the spots? Note that (due to their low morale) this might come with significant risk of them getting addicted to Serena's aura, but that may be hard to avoid in the first place when Serena first comes sweeping through the area.
Sure, your estimate is probably correct. But I want to have a margin of error sufficient that we can be alright even if the worst comes to pass.
How about we split the difference?
You want three combat teams the first two weeks, and I want five. Shall we agree on four?
That would be 28 vets for the combat teams. So 14 vets for the two weeks. Then after the first two weeks we drop to 2 combat teams. So 7 vets for the second two weeks.
That's 21, plus 5 vets on the support team? (All our clairvoyants, and only two teleporters?)
So 26? (Maybe have the second clairvoyant team be for the first two weeks, so 25 vets total?)
Have that be the intent and the exact details to be determined by how many extra girls we get out deals with the local areas?
If we can get even 1 clairvoyant from the locals that would allow for the 2nd clairvoyant team for the first two weeks, and I think we really really want that. (One team focused on the battle party, the other focused on the beholder and making sure we get warning when it's too near.)
And then 4 more hunters and we'd have the numbers we need right?
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I kind of want to see the magical girl/muggle divide when it comes to perceptions of Tokyo. Basically, how miserable normal people look/how miserable local meguca look. On that note, even if there's no verbal interaction with the Tokyo meguca, I also do want to see some evidence that they're there, and what they think of Nagoya's expeditions.
I think it would be more reasonable to use omakes to free up meguca who are currently going to school. To make this something that we cannot just spam, the trade should be one-to-one or one-to-two at best, and the quality of the omake itself will determine whether or not we take a morale hit from double-dipping. It's also something we only do in times of approaching crisis like this one.
Basically in the omake you need to show why the meguca would be working this hard to save Tokyo. You would probably work with 1) the heroes - the types that go 'Mami, this isn't realistic, you cannot save Tokyo without sacrificing our happiness - and we are willing to take that hit, we believe in what you are doing here, we want to save Tokyo too' (Kaoru?); 2) the types that have been normal enough that a month of school slacking sounds great (not sure who fits in here off-hand, I'd volunteer Shinobu even if off-hand I don't remember that being part of her character - maybe Nagisa would fit? She feels like a mix of hero who wouldn't also mind slacking a bit on school); 3) the worriers, the number crunchers and analysts who are going to throw every scrap of extra effort into this to make sure it goes down with enough redundancies that even the most catastrophic fail state will see everyone come home (Mami might if she didn't think it was important to show off a strong front)
Of course there are other possibilities - Taya would be in because of her lingering sense of guilt and shame that she didn't help her friend; Manami's in because she really wants them to succeed and they can't do it without a local; if Manami's in, Suzuko is going to drag the rest of the Tokyo Nomads kicking and screaming (Urako), but Urako's only in after she goes confront Mami face to face and that would probably involve an actual magical girl throw down followed by a lot of yelling. I'm tempted to make that my Urako POV Tokyo Nomad omake.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'd nix Kyouko double-dipping. She's probably had just enough time to start feeling somewhat normal again, and she cares for the people around her, not high-minded ideals so IC-wise, she'd only grudgingly 'go back in' and this gearing up for war crap would definitely bring her mood down. I'd see her maybe offering to do so, but Mami smiling and telling her 'no, you deserve this. You deserve your childhood' and her going 'fuck, you know I don't, I...'
Then Sayaka would bust in and totally ruin the moment. PICK MEEEEEEE, MAMI. WE ARE RESCUING TOKYO AND I ALWAYS WANTED TO VISIT TOKYO oh hey kyouko didnt see you there, did you hear we are going to rescue tokyo isnt that awesome?!?!
etc. etc. etc.
We'd probably pay a small fee to get Kyuubey to alter records (basically, giving out doctor's notes related to complications due to the water disaster, minor, but they've been taken for observation) so that we can free them up. Since this aligns with his goals, I'm going to guess he'd even be willing to go so far as to take a rain check and defer payment until after Tokyo has been cleared because we are taking this seriously and doing our best to anticipate masquerade failure at every step.
This feels like the most reasonable compromise that I can think of, but past a certain number of extra meguca, we'd still probably start taking a morale hit from it no matter how good the omakes.
We have 2 available clairvoyants, other than our dispatch team. If we only kept 2 teleporters, that would total 4.
Given that the clairvoyants generally don't need to be inside Serena's aura, if we can recruit a few from Tokyo itself during this month's contacts, that would be great.
However, I'm still pondering the idea that inviting the Nagoya strike team could also work. Given their territory, they could easily have around 20 total elites, and they send a strike team of 5-10 elites. We'd have to keep their exposure to the aura much lower, but a team of 5 elites (and maybe that clairvoyant) would be just what we need to fill out the overkill numbers.
If Nagoya goes into the expedition with the idea that we're doing something similar to what they normally do, they will be completely unprepared for the diplomatic followup. (Heck, we might want to tone down info we pass out to them and areas 13/14 this month to give us an extra edge in prep work.) I really dislike snubbing them on this mission, particularly right after we asked them to help us in their expedition, and the combined work they've already done. The trick is to get them to feel like they contributed, but sweep up territory control before they get the idea that the area should be theirs.
That's the tricky part, and I'm not completely solid on handling that just yet.
This feels like a dangerous assumption to make, they clearly have dedicated specialists, girls whose actual job to do diplomacy or explain tactics or whatnot. Also, a group that big, purely doing a futile holding action against Tokyo's inevitable destruction? No, they have an end game, they have an end goal, they have follow up and more resources to commit than we can commit.
We might have to lose Tokyo in order to save it, but that's better than the alternative.
It is, which is why I'm not fully committed to the idea yet. However they're going to be sending their strike team to Tokyo anyway, and it would not be too difficult to word it as just, "We want to do what you're doing, too. Can we do this as a combined action?" Edit: Plus, we're buying a ton of armor from them; it's pretty obvious we're setting up for something big.
Regardless, I've pulled a bit out of the gossipmonger, since regardless of if we get Nagoya's help, we don't want to be announcing our full plans to either them or their 13/14 vassals. If they know the full extent of what we're up to, they'll start pulling their end game resources into play and try to slip past us.
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