Eh, I'm optimistically holding out hope that Haman sees that we're not actually trying to Doc Mengele with Serena's power, and rather just trusting her to keep her own rules to an extent. Am I wrong in assuming she'd be more upset that we'd want to experiment with her limits than our own girls would?
I agree. And rereading that post, I'm back to my original position on interaction levels with her. There are concerns about her power, but they are manageable. Quarantine/detox should be on our side, not hers.
This needs to be verifies in the discussions with her, but seems very likely. And it actually touches on the post I made on psychological effects of how we treat people, and how they in turn act.
Correct. I'd still want to limit exposure, but deliveries shouldn't need to be done through an isolation chamber. Dropping off goods at the house itself is easily viable without danger, though I'd still limit the frequency (eg: weekly food delivery, not the same girl twice in a row).
Agreed.
Good point.
I would still keep the notification, even with the allowance of not using the border delivery. It's just polite, and keeping it as a rule means we can have stronger talks/observation of anyone who breaks the rule.
Given the permanent communication channels, simply mentioning that she's going out should be sufficient for short walks of limited duration and exposure. Announcing when you leave and return home is a Japanese cultural thing, but it should be easy enough for her to adapt without it feeling like an imposition.
Even if exposure levels are minimal, it's still about respecting the rules the other group may want to enforce. We're respecting their authority over their own territory.
This is an interesting, and probably valid point.
Just a pedantic note that this doesn't belong under the Preparations section.
I would stills strongly prefer to mention that any efforts taken by locals in conjunction with Serena should be paid in a manner that can alleviate potential spirals from withdrawal. We didn't invoke Serena on a city just to cause half the girls that stayed to defend it, despite our warnings, to die.
I would trust Serena's acquired knowledge as much or more than the incubators, since she's more likely to be strongly conservative in terms of her idea of 'safe' exposure levels. I would be entirely unsurprised to learn she regularly sends feelers out to any meguca who, either by necessity or choice, resides in her aura for the duration of her visits, to ensure they haven't become addicted after she's left.
Serena is isolated. As far as I understand the situation, she doesn't currently have the opportunity to get near other girls (physically or socially), so she wouldn't be in a position to teach them anything.
Serena's wish magic isn't intrinsically helpful in PvP, sure, but the secondary effects are. Serena is a super experienced girl (Elite+) who has had access to unlimited magic since day one and has undoubtedly become a master of every facet of magic that she cares to use. And her friends have the same advantages (though with somewhat less experience). These girls are walking artillery batteries. Plus, they are used to the aura, whereas anyone trying to PvP her would be thrown off kilter by the exposure.
For a girl who would otherwise die from a grief spiral, any potential downsides (even a forced exile to Serena's ranch) would be an improvement. The primary risk would be that a hope anchor would have a harmful effect on other girls apart from the one who was spiraling. So range is a concern. But range (and duration) are things that can be tested in a completely ethical way. We can have Serena create an anchor and drop it off in a remote area (then back away). One of our girls would move toward the anchor until they felt the effect (or until they saw the grief in their soul gem start to drop), and then they would immediately back off. A few seconds of exposure would determine the effective range of the anchor. A little bit later, another girl could approach the area again (and then a third, a fourth, a fifth, etc. until the aura from the anchor dissipates completely). This would allow us to determine the duration of the effect and calculate whether the range degrades over time. The information about the range and duration of an anchor would allow us to determine how to use them safely.
Demons are created by human emotions, so "overhunting" can only occur in a populated area. If she lived somewhere that was truly isolated, then there wouldn't be a problem. The problem is: she would still needs cubes to survive.
I would encourage you to not give up on Serena yet. The discussion about Serena has been intense because her power is so very interesting and engaging, and that's a sign of a great character. The issue has been a bit divisive, but I maintain the hope that we can come to the point where everyone is civil and can vote on a plan without anyone feeling that the other people are being completely unreasonable.
I'm not so sure about the "engaging" part.
I must protest the idea that her aura reduces grief. If the mechanic you assume her aura will use to alleviate spirals is that it will suddenly reduce the amount of grief the girl is currently experiencing in her spiral, you should probably reconsider.
Any and all issues dealing with payments and materials distribution after a city cleansing are a matter to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, and do not belong in this management rule set.
The first definition of Engaging (according to dictionary.com) is "to occupy the attention or efforts of (a person or persons)". I make no judgements on whether the attention on Serena has been mostly positive or negative or practical or hypothetical, but she's definitely engaging. One aspect of good character design is that the characters inspire people to think about them and talk about them and Serena definitely qualifies.
I'm not sure where I got the idea that her aura removed grief temporarily (that isn't indicated by her description), but that's beside the point. I merely mentioned the soul gem as an empirical way of sensing where the border is during the experiment. If the aura doesn't affect the grief in the gem, then the border of the aura created by a hope anchor simply has to be determined based on the feelings alone.
"as is reasonably possible"
Ehh... At it's longest, Sports Day is an 8 to 10 hour deal. Serena's group can always choose not to go, or to only stay for a little while, and again, only girls who voluntarily wish to enter her aura should do so to join the event. If a girl is afraid of her own personal reaction to it, then it's her choice to hit up a different group party, or sit in on a house party with more girls who either can't enter the aura due to recent exposure or choose not to.
Basically, the simplified rule set kicks the problem down the road. The guidelines can be interpreted completely validly at either extreme, or anywhere in between. We just don't know exactly what constitutes "reasonable safety" yet, and can't know until we get more info from Serena, or possibly Kyuubey (if he doesn't twist things too much).
There is no way we are excluding girls from sports day for not being comfortable with the aur
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Agreed. I can't even see that as being beneficial to Serena herself: she'd be constantly checking the time and worrying about how many days or weeks her friends will have to spend in rehab, just to have that one day. No, we can't possibly risk something like that; there most I'd really consider is a very few girls for a couple hours for tea or a dinner party, and only if Serena's and the Incubators' numbers say it can be done safely.
