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Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)
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Revising my numbers to use 1.0 vet per day of 'work' cleaning Tokyo for a large portion of our org. Something like 30 vets, plus elites and Serena's group.
In that case, 7 days of work means 1/4 time (might stretch to 8 days, given 31 days in January). Serena's group plus our own elites working 1/4 time would be 2.5 elites. So overall, 2.5 elites, 7.0 vets.
That leaves 2.5 elites for other work. Will assume Serena's group's remaining time is split between travel to get here, moving in to her house, and general cleaning up and whatnot.
2.5 elites means I can put the elites back on hunting. 0.5 Seto on teleporting, 0.5 Taya on dispatch, 1.5 other on hunting.
That means 17 vets assigned to hunting, 6.5 on support, 13 on jobs.
Total so far: 5.0 elites, 43.5 vets.
1 vet in training. 1 vet gossipmonger. 1 vet on house refurbishment and organization for Serena. 1 vet on propaganda.
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3 on tandem charms. 1 on tandem training (4 healers). 0.5 on teleporting group up to nomadic area.
- 200 tandem charms. 2/3 barrier, 1/3 healing? Have to see how usage went with Kyouko.
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Training for Tokyo:
- Working with Serena
- Coordinating teams
- Running combat ops without reliable teleporter backup.
- Using charms (Kyouko assist, since she's really the only one with experience using them in combat)
- Parkour training with Akeno, for non-teleport escape
- Training scanning large areas
A lot of these sort of work in parallel. Luckily, we have lots of experience with coordinating communications.
Maybe 2.0 vets to represent a lot of people working on this as time permits over the first couple weeks of the month?
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Going to go ahead and change the Tokyo assignment to 8.0 vets for 8 days (1/4 of the month). Need to average 5 demons killed per day. The first day with the c/t adds will certainly be high, so the rest of the days need less work.
That leaves 1 vet free to assign to something else, depending on what we feel is necessary.
In that case, 7 days of work means 1/4 time (might stretch to 8 days, given 31 days in January). Serena's group plus our own elites working 1/4 time would be 2.5 elites. So overall, 2.5 elites, 7.0 vets.
That leaves 2.5 elites for other work. Will assume Serena's group's remaining time is split between travel to get here, moving in to her house, and general cleaning up and whatnot.
2.5 elites means I can put the elites back on hunting. 0.5 Seto on teleporting, 0.5 Taya on dispatch, 1.5 other on hunting.
That means 17 vets assigned to hunting, 6.5 on support, 13 on jobs.
Total so far: 5.0 elites, 43.5 vets.
1 vet in training. 1 vet gossipmonger. 1 vet on house refurbishment and organization for Serena. 1 vet on propaganda.
47.5/56
3 on tandem charms. 1 on tandem training (4 healers). 0.5 on teleporting group up to nomadic area.
- 200 tandem charms. 2/3 barrier, 1/3 healing? Have to see how usage went with Kyouko.
52/56
Training for Tokyo:
- Working with Serena
- Coordinating teams
- Running combat ops without reliable teleporter backup.
- Using charms (Kyouko assist, since she's really the only one with experience using them in combat)
- Parkour training with Akeno, for non-teleport escape
- Training scanning large areas
A lot of these sort of work in parallel. Luckily, we have lots of experience with coordinating communications.
Maybe 2.0 vets to represent a lot of people working on this as time permits over the first couple weeks of the month?
54/56
Going to go ahead and change the Tokyo assignment to 8.0 vets for 8 days (1/4 of the month). Need to average 5 demons killed per day. The first day with the c/t adds will certainly be high, so the rest of the days need less work.
That leaves 1 vet free to assign to something else, depending on what we feel is necessary.
Hmm I suppose I could put that up for the ad banners.How's this?
I never even got a reply to my request for a review of the thread though after that strange popup saying squishy had a problem with everyone last week, so the line in the ad forum saying that threads using the ads are held to higher standards worries me.
Powerofmind
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Actually, there's some possibility that for the fifteen to thirty-ish minutes we put our girls in Serena's aura (probably organized around when the beholder is detected teleporting into the fight) that our elites will fight way beyond their weight class (again, the vision of Mami doing Tiro Finale permanently comes to mind, and I'm almost afraid to wonder if Kyouko can do more clones under the aura), and even our vets if we bring the support teams close for the beholder fight might fight at an elite level, and likely have immunity or hardening to the miasma's effect on their gems.
If we're fast enough about the hammer blow to the class 4, and have good enough checks, we could possibly down it in less than five minutes by focusing clairvoyance near Serena to check for it's teleport entry(to have Seto group tp our support and elites on top of it). At that point we could probably mop up the entire city in a matter of days.
A thought, @inverted_helix. Our morale is an abstracted average. What is Mami's personal morale?
I sort of figure that our approach to Kofu is going to be to hug them, and be friendly and then when the inevitable crisis hits their fragile direct democracy we invite them into the fold.
I think I was misunderstood. I fully expect that we have to take a month to get ready. It's probably going to take two to three weeks to get Serena here, and then another week of her resting and getting over jet lag. So we'll hardly be ready to go until the following month anyway. I meant that on the month we attack Tokyo, we go to Nagoya and say "This month we are..."
I don't think we should do much of this. We have no data on the effects of intermittent exposure without 3 months in between exposures.
I figure we should assume that each of our girls gets 8 hours inside Serena's aura before they have to stay out for at least 3 months.
As we get more experience with the aura that may change, but right now I think we need to take that as our baseline.
Thus I think we need to save as much of that 8 hours as possible for combat.
The tag line I'd suggest to hook players?
"Hitomi dies, Sayaka survives, Kyouko is tsundere, and then Mami was a Yakuza Princess."
Exactly, which is another argument for waiting until the following month so that we can roll it out completely.
Ehh... I think we are rushing things there to try and push it into this month, let me make a list of the things I think we ought to do this month.
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Also, her aura of addictive hope is NOT going to help with the cult impression.
Can't teleport within 5 kilometers of it. It's insta death to do so
Powerofmind
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Let's haggle, here. I suggest at least thirty minutes, though I'd prefer an hour, of practice with her aura for the girls who are willing to go, just so they know what they can handle.
Powerofmind
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Unless it teleports and we have eyes on that teleport. There is a downtime where it can't interdict teleports, and even if it's seconds long, it's enough for Seto to drop the team on it. This is one case where I'd actually suggest putting Taura in the group, not to attack personally, but to bridge the gap of precious seconds spent confirming it's teleported, and Seto teleporting in while interdiction is down. If we can overwhelm the thing completely after Serena tries to bait it in, we can take a much-desired slash out of the difficulty of clearing Tokyo.
That's like the highlights of the first two years worth of time in he quest, lol.
Things have really gotten intense in the last bit of time in the quest. Partly me expanding out the scope of play a bit. I have gotten at least a little better over the course of writing this at making things interesting I think.
Though if anything my writing speed has progressively gotten slower. But that's because it requires more and more thought as people put so much analysis in I have to put more time in on the other side of the table. Probably surprising to people but I'm actually a reasonably fast typist, just spend most of my times eyes unfocused contemplating instead of typing.
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Aranfan
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I belive there is a form that they're using now in the thread that the "this space for rent" ad goes to.
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That's the thread.
@inverted_helix - Regardless of if we go for that setup, is it valid to use the unit distributions the way I did there?
Another reason to argue for a month delay is so we can hunt at normal RT this month so we can get a lot of money trading extra cubes. We are going to need that $130,000 nest egg to start with to make this work.
@inverted_helix Any problems with the suggested costs of these things?
So here are the non-hunting/upkeep/jobs we need to do next month:
Negotiate Final Details with Serena, plan her trip, includes welcome package:
0.5 vets, $8000 (travel) + $1000 (for welcome package)
Get the housing: (whatever plan we do)
0.5 vets
Print Propaganda (organize notes):
1 vet
Clairvoyance Scouting of Yokohama and Downtown Tokyo: Get the patterns of Tokyo demon behavior, patrol routes, get a feel for the beholder.
1 clair vet, 1 Taya - Tandem Casting
The above is another reason to delay a month. Give our experienced dispatch team time to find patterns of behavior.
Safe Passage (Area 15/16)
2 Vets: Get agreement for the safe passage of Taya and partner, also for safe passage next month when we launch our attack.
General Training:
1 vet 2 greens
(Can't stop this)
PvP Combat/Training for Tokyo:
-- Team organization, support
-- Kyouko plays illusions, refs to score, sometimes teleport is insta death
-- Practice running really really fast
5.5 vet, 0.5 elites, 1 green?
I'm almost tempted to say we should do both PvP and Tokyo Training.
I think the above are required. Now we are getting into optional, but nice to haves:
Gossipmonger: Spread the news that next month the Serenes will be resolving the Tokyo problem.
1 vet
Contact all Large Organizations in Japan:
1 Mami
We are about to embark on becoming a major player in magical girl Japan, perhaps we should find out who everyone is.
Kaoru magic research: Try to get a charm that uses Kaoru's song magic
1 Kaoru
or alternatively
Kaoru Elite Training
1 Kaoru, 1 Elite
Tandem Charm creation
1.5 vets for 100 barrier charms (healing charms tend to do better when not in packs with an actual healer next to you, so barrier charms seem more effective).
Tandem Casting Fusion (will there be a penalty to dropping this?)
3 vets
Trade Deal with Nagoya:
Offer our Duration Research technology, and a few samples of tandem charms
-- don't explain why the charms are so much more powerful than theirs.
Trade Deal with Kofu
1 vet?
That's 11.5 vets and .5 elites just in the essential prep work. And 8 vets in the optional nice to haves.
I think we are just too full.
We spend this whole month prepping, and then the following month we can let our areas fall back to DS 0 so we have more girls to support the Tokyo effort. Since we are getting a bounty on demons we can afford it.
Things to do in the following month:
Distribute cellphones to all the Elites in Tokyo via Incubators, get in contact with them.
The initial assault with massive support (32 vets, 4 to 5 elites, plus Serena's group). That should allow us to handle the teleporting clairvoyant demons.
@inverted_helix Any problems with the suggested costs of these things?
So here are the non-hunting/upkeep/jobs we need to do next month:
Negotiate Final Details with Serena, plan her trip, includes welcome package:
0.5 vets, $8000 (travel) + $1000 (for welcome package)
Get the housing: (whatever plan we do)
0.5 vets
Print Propaganda (organize notes):
1 vet
Clairvoyance Scouting of Yokohama and Downtown Tokyo: Get the patterns of Tokyo demon behavior, patrol routes, get a feel for the beholder.
1 clair vet, 1 Taya - Tandem Casting
The above is another reason to delay a month. Give our experienced dispatch team time to find patterns of behavior.
Safe Passage (Area 15/16)
2 Vets: Get agreement for the safe passage of Taya and partner, also for safe passage next month when we launch our attack.
General Training:
1 vet 2 greens
(Can't stop this)
PvP Combat/Training for Tokyo:
-- Team organization, support
-- Kyouko plays illusions, refs to score, sometimes teleport is insta death
-- Practice running really really fast
5.5 vet, 0.5 elites, 1 green?
I'm almost tempted to say we should do both PvP and Tokyo Training.
I think the above are required. Now we are getting into optional, but nice to haves:
Gossipmonger: Spread the news that next month the Serenes will be resolving the Tokyo problem.
1 vet
Contact all Large Organizations in Japan:
1 Mami
We are about to embark on becoming a major player in magical girl Japan, perhaps we should find out who everyone is.
Kaoru magic research: Try to get a charm that uses Kaoru's song magic
1 Kaoru
or alternatively
Kaoru Elite Training
1 Kaoru, 1 Elite
Tandem Charm creation
1.5 vets for 100 barrier charms (healing charms tend to do better when not in packs with an actual healer next to you, so barrier charms seem more effective).
Tandem Casting Fusion (will there be a penalty to dropping this?)
3 vets
Trade Deal with Nagoya:
Offer our Duration Research technology, and a few samples of tandem charms
-- don't explain why the charms are so much more powerful than theirs.
Trade Deal with Kofu
1 vet?
That's 11.5 vets and .5 elites just in the essential prep work. And 8 vets in the optional nice to haves.
I think we are just too full.
We spend this whole month prepping, and then the following month we can let our areas fall back to DS 0 so we have more girls to support the Tokyo effort. Since we are getting a bounty on demons we can afford it.
Things to do in the following month:
Distribute cellphones to all the Elites in Tokyo via Incubators, get in contact with them.
The initial assault with massive support (32 vets, 4 to 5 elites, plus Serena's group). That should allow us to handle the teleporting clairvoyant demons.
Mmmm... I suppose that might go under training for Tokyo...
Yeah... I can see that being a good idea.
Powerofmind
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At the very least, Seto needs to be familiar with the effect that teleporting to ground zero and out again will have on her, should we be able to bait the beholder into teleporting onto Serena's team. Hopefully it isn't smart enough to run if it realizes it's totally boned.
I thought about that and then decided it was much to risky of a plan of attack. One screwup and insta death of all our elites and leadership. It would probably be a die roll, and if it can be avoided don't ever risk the game on a single die roll
Better to have an eye on it coming, and move girls into place earlier. Or to have Serena and company fight defensively for the 5 minutes it takes our team to rush in the 5 kilometers to attack it. (Fastest human is 28.8 mph, this would only require 37.3 mph, totally possible for a magical girl).
Since Seto will probably have to deliver Serena to her new home, she's going to see how it effects her.
Seto is going to have the most exposure ferrying Serena around so I think we should avoid any unneeded exposure. In fact, I don't think Seto should be part of combat at all. Her teleport power for transport is far to valuable to waste her safe exposure time fighting.
And again, I am completely opposed to letting our teleporters within 5 kilometers of the beholder.
I again have to ask if there is any value to this. @inverted_helix previously stated that PvP training wasn't going to be of much, if any, use against the class 3 demons.
On the other hand, the Tokyo Training might be expanded to use up a mostly similar meguca allocation.
Given that we're aware of the attitude of at least three of the larger organizations, I'm not sure of the value of doing this.
Overall, pretty solid argument for delaying, though I'd like to see if there's anything we can to do minimize the risks of more elite deaths. Normal deaths are likely to be in the 70-100 range ("only" as many deaths as there are girls in our entire organization), based on previous free-fall values. If we can put in any substantial effort to assisting Nagoya this month, that would be good. (depends slightly on how Kyouko's participation went)
Powerofmind
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Never wanted Seto in the fight anyway. She's still just the ferryman.
We also wouldn't have to stand 5 kilometers out. Serena's aura is only 1 km long.
The beholder's aura is possibly 5 kilometers out. I'm worried about the beholder even more than Serena's aura.
I remember helix saying the opposite. That PvP helped against class 3 demons because they use powers similar to magical girls. But he did say that it was less effective training against class 3 demons than magical girls.
Since there may be as many as 9 more organizations our size or larger, I think it is probably worth doing, although I guess we can wait and reassess when Kyubey gets back to us.
Powerofmind
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I'm not saying teleport that close and run in. I'm saying base that close and run in.
The level of difference from magical girls demon powers have is so extreme and so varied that PvP training is effectively useless. At least, that's what I recall helix saying, myself. I'd have to find it, so off I go.