You say could but you are not being very specific. Could could be anything and even then just because it reduces the DC of things related to blacksmithing doesn't mean that that it just wouldn't be better to specialize in smithing itself since it seems more productive then wasting a lot of time on a subject that would just help with specific things rather than general making it a situational stat that may not even see that much use if we don't end up making things that require it.

Feels like people just made their decision based on an assumption, didn't bother to check just what the specifics are and just didn't think this through considering the holes that keeps getting poked in the idea.

We talked about this and the general agreement was that we should avoid spreading out too much like last quest. Just because we can learn a specific magic doesn't mean we need to since there could be dozens of different kinds of magic we can pick up and not thinking things through would just lead to being spread out again.
Here is what QM said:

If it uses Math, having Math as a skill makes it easier.
Learning science uses math, so math skill will make it easier.

Raising our foundational learning so we can have an easier time learning the harder subjects.

Also, business / handling money uses math, so math skill could reduce DC for a good amount of stewardship actions.
 
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Learning science uses math, so math skill will make it easier.

Raising our foundational learning so we can have an easier time learning the harder subjects.
All right fine since it does help out with the stuff for things that will eventually go with forging magitech. But rather we start to work on skills for forging. If only because I like the idea of Loki actually having a passion for crafting. A but disappointed that we didn't go with sculpting as a hobby when we could have.
 
Ummmm, rather than pick the skill that will help us with a thing now, shouldn't we pick the thing first in the first place? Like, let's be honest, we pretty much know what Forging can do more than other stuff while Math we just know that...it will help us make some stuff easier...and that's pretty much it. The rest is assumptions and no one bothered to ask the QM to specify or ask the limitations. I mean, what happened to not spreading the net too much so soon? We are picking skills that should help with Forging or Magic without even picking Forging/Magic yet in the first place. That sounds like a great way to lose focus and pick new stuff again and again and again...because it will help with stuff. You get the drill.
What I mean is, if you are picking Math to help supplement something else...pick the something first. You are counting your eggs before they are even conceived yet.

@KnowledgeKing,
sorry if I'm not being specific but...how much will Math help us in Magic or Forging in general? I know it will depend of what we try to do but...give me the best answer you can please.
 
Ummmm, rather than pick the skill that will help us with a thing now, shouldn't we pick the thing first in the first place? Like, let's be honest, we pretty much know what Forging can do more than other stuff while Math we just know that...it will help us make some stuff easier...and that's pretty much it. The rest is assumptions and no one bothered to ask the QM to specify or ask the limitations. I mean, what happened to not spreading the net too much so soon? We are picking skills that should help with Forging or Magic without even picking Forging/Magic yet in the first place. That sounds like a great way to lose focus and pick new stuff again and again and again...because it will help with stuff. You get the drill.
What I mean is, if you are picking Math to help supplement something else...pick the something first. You are counting your eggs before they are even conceived yet.
I think this was my main issue with picking math but just couldn't put it into words. We aren't really going to focus too heavily into science at first and if we are going to pick forging seems like we should start with magic first since that skill is actually relevant to it and rather we avoid losing focus. After all we are still just 5 years old and still character building. Seeing as we aren't actually going to have a focus on science for a while how about we just go with magic and then pick math when we actually start putting some focus on it?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Darkcore41 on Nov 15, 2019 at 6:09 PM, finished with 103 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Math
    [X] Plan Asgardian Foundation, Round 2.2
    [X] Plan: Megaloki's Revenge!
    [X] Plan Build a Foundation
    -[X] Train: The expectations haven't changed
    --[X] Hand to Hand, DC 30
    -[X] Make friends during your lessons...and during training! DC 25
    -[X] Request Lessons from the Instructor on finance and how to run the kingdom. Surely he'd listen! DC 45
    -[X] Study the classmates you don't know. Get the full rest of the picture. DC 15
    -[X] Pay extra attention to your Classes and try to excel! DC 15
    -[X] Self Help: Devote your personal time to one of the actions below
    -[X] Relationships: Spend time with some of your favorite people in the world!
    -- [X] Father
    [X] Plan: Victory shall be mine!
    [X] Train: The expectations haven't changed
    - [X] Hand to Hand, DC 30
    [X] Hang out with Thor! He seems annoyed by you, but maybe you could change that? DC 50
    [X] Try to observe how Father ran the kingdom. Even if you couldn't sit in on meetings... DC 55
    [X] Study the classmates you don't know. Get the full rest of the picture. DC 15
    [X] Pay extra attention to your Classes and try to excel! DC 15
    [X] Relationships: Spend time with some of your favorite people in the world!
    - [X] Father
    [X] Magic
    [X] Slow and Steady
    -[X] Exercise, increase your strength, speed, and stamina, DC 35
    -[X] Try to get closer to Father. He always seems to like Thor more, and it's not fair. DC 50
    -[X] Request Lessons from the Instructor on finance and how to run the kingdom. Surely he'd listen! DC 45
    -[X] Study the classmates you don't know. Get the full rest of the picture. DC 15
    -[X] Pay extra attention to your Classes and try to excel! DC 15
    -[X] There was...something in you. You could feel it. Try to tap into that. DC, ??
    [X] Slow and Steady
 
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@KnowledgeKing, sorry if I'm not being specific but...how much will Math help us in Magic or Forging in general? I know it will depend of what we try to do but...give me the best answer you can please.

I can't answer since it literally depends on what you forge. It's the nature of Forging. Won't help with like...a sword, unless you want a specific sized sword or something that would need specific measurements. Won't help with other Magic at all. Learning it at least.
 
I can't answer since it literally depends on what you forge. It's the nature of Forging. Won't help with like...a sword, unless you want a specific sized sword or something that would need specific measurements. Won't help with other Magic at all. Learning it at least.

Wouldn't Math help with like Alchemy? Measurements, temperatures, masses, volumes, ect...

(As just an example)
 
I really hope not since I really rather avoid spreading out too much.
Do you really think Loki shouldn't learn how to add or subtract, because it would be a waste of time?

That's... power gaming. Actually, even worse, it's inefficient power gaming. It throws out narrative motivation all together. It's SOD breaking.

QM says that Math will not be that useful

The QM says math wouldn't be 100% applicable for one very specific potential action, and you are throwing out the whole skill based on a very small criteria.

"The fastest sprinter on our team can't swim. Guess we shouldn't use him for the 100m dash."
 
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Do you really think Loki shouldn't learn how to add or subtract, because it would be a waste of time?

That's... power gaming. Actually, even worse, it's inefficient power gaming. It throws out narrative motivation all together. It's SOD breaking.
Adding and substracting are such basic concepts that we should not need to learn them...

Should we take an action to learn how to write too? Maybe an action to learn how to tie our shoes? Making a sandwich?

This should not take an action...
 
DUDE...

All the talk about spreading too thin...

QM himself says that Math will not be that useful and yet you are still trying to find some way for your choice to be the right one...

I'm not even into the option all that much but cool now I'll just be spite voting it because of how you want to do this.

I literally was just showing an example where math works with magic, Alchemy. I wasn't even suggesting that we need to go down such a path, I was just giving an example that math isn't completely devoid in all magics, which is what the QM somewhat suggested. And as I said it was simply an example.

I don't care about the "right" choice I care about reasonable choices. I don't get why you are all in a huff about this? You're treating it like its the end of the world if we learn, math...

Edit: Having studied math, helps conceptualize our success in the stewardship action we took last round, and it is reasonable for children to keep pushing subjects they succeed at. Math is a very useful skill, even if it doesn't have any impact on magic or forging.
 
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I'll just be spite voting
Welp, it seems this new thread is off to a good start...

I'm not even into the option all that much
Truth be told I don't really care about it at all, I haven't even voted yet... It just feels like general education should encompass math as well (especially the aforementioned adding and subtracting).

In the end, do whatever you want. I want even bother arguing.
 
I'm not even into the option all that much but cool now I'll just be spite voting it because of how you want to do this.

I literally was just showing an example where math works with magic, Alchemy. I wasn't even suggesting that we need to go down such a path, I was just giving an example that math isn't completely devoid in all magics, which is what the QM somewhat suggested. And as I said it was simply an example.

I don't care about the "right" choice I care about reasonable choices. I don't get why you are all in a huff about this? You're treating it like its the end of the world if we learn, math...

Edit: Having studied math, helps conceptualize our success in the stewardship action we took last round, and it is reasonable for children to keep pushing subjects they succeed at. Math is a very useful skill, even if it doesn't have any impact on magic or forging.
I think what he was saying is the QM said it doesn't help any other magic including Alchemy.

Most of the basic concepts of math will be in general education. I took the math option as reading ahead and maybe going in to calculus. For example Loki doesnt need the tech stat to build tech. He should attest be learning the basics of everything in school already. @Nystical
 
Welp, it seems this new thread is off to a good start...


Truth be told I don't really care about it at all, I haven't even voted yet... It just feels like general education should encompass math as well (especially the aforementioned adding and subtracting).

In the end, do whatever you want. I want even bother arguing.

You could've convinced me but if you respond to me with an exasperated yell, screaming that I'm a fool that doesn't know anything, why would I change my mind? Catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

And I've voted for making friends, I've only voted for having studied math last turn because it makes sense with explaining our success in our stewardship action. I have voted both plans that involving making friends this turn, one further pushes into math, the other goes into general studies. Both are fine to me and neither is the end of the world if selected.
 
You could've convinced me but if you respond to me with an exasperated yell, screaming that I'm a fool that doesn't know anything, why would I change my mind? Catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

And I've voted for making friends, I've only voted for having studied math last turn because it makes sense with explaining our success in our stewardship action. I have voted both plans that involving making friends this turn, one further pushes into math, the other goes into general studies. Both are fine to me and neither is the end of the world if selected.
The thing is math is thought in general education. If you wanted an in story reason you could easily say Loki is excelling in school. This is the way I see it:
general education: middle school - high school
math: College and up

so specialized math wouldn't necessarily explain Loki s success. Especially when there is more to sales then just calculation. Like persuasion and charisma is some skills that can help.
 
The thing is math is thought in general education. If you wanted an in story reason you could easily say Loki is excelling in school. This is the way I see it:
general education: middle school - high school
math: College and up

so specialized math wouldn't necessarily explain Loki s success. Especially when there is more to sales then just calculation. Like persuasion and charisma is some skills that can help.

We're talking about specifying something we did the previous turn the other options are the following: Magic, Science, Technology, History.

Which of these most connects to being good at money?
 
We're talking about specifying something we did the previous turn the other options are the following: Magic, Science, Technology, History.

Which of these most connects to being good at money?
We went to school during those turns too, we just didn't focus on it. For all we know they just went over the chapter that inspired Loki. You don't have to change actions for the narrative that's the QM job. You can come up with a lot of excuses like Loki is good at reading people, maybe he found old merchant techniques in a history book. A eureka moment can happen while your doing anything not just the specific area.

Edit: @Nystical just because we disagree and bring up the holes in your reasoning we are trolls. Even the QM us telling you math is useless in all magic even forging unless your making a specific measurement.
 
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I think Cena and darkcore are trolling

I'd disagree with this assessment. The stewardship response was a bit cheeky but not trolling.
We went to school during those turns too, we just didn't focus on it. For all we know they just went over the chapter that inspired Loki. You don't have to change actions for the narrative that's the QM job. You can come up with a lot of excuses like Loki is good at reading people, maybe he found old merchant techniques in a history book. A eureka moment can happen while your doing anything not just the specific area.

Edit: @Nystical just because we disagree and bring up the holes in your reasoning we are trolls. Even the QM us telling you math is useless in all magic even forging unless your making a specific measurement.

I wouldn't call what you are doing poking holes you are arguing but I've not seen any thing you say creating gaps in my logic or rationale.
 
I'd disagree with this assessment. The stewardship response was a bit cheeky but not trolling.


I wouldn't call what you are doing poking holes you are arguing but I've not seen any thing you say creating gaps in my logic or rationale.
Ok let me ask you something then, isn't it possible for Loki to do things off screen that allowed him to be a financial genius. If you look back on the chapter it doesn't describe how he doubles his money. Does that mean that he never left the palace because it is not on screen. So picking an action because you feel that would justify another action doesn't make sense because if that was the case the QM would have chained the actions together.

The logic hole commit was for @Nystical that keeps on pushing math even though most of his mechanical reasons have been invalidated. The only reason i can think of is him wanting science but that also doesnt make sense because people would start at the basics before jumping to specialized levels.
 
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