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Life Ore Death - DC Feruchemy [Young Justice]
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Comics in a nutshell. XD
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The Guardians have really really impressive technology, don't get me wrong, but the emotional spectrum is basically a cheat.
The Guardians have it thanks to bacteria, so they just reverse engineered their bacteria.
Qwardians have access to it through a metal native to their planet, qwardite. That's what sinestro corps rings and batteries are made out of.
The Zamarons made their star sapphires and later rings out of a love crystal they found on their planet growing out of the corps of Hawkman's and Hawkgirl's corpses. Why ancient egyptian corpses were on an alien planet I don't know.
The Indigo tribe has it thanks to underground rivers of liquid compassion running on their planet.
And Atrocitus made a lantern corps out of rings forged from blood through magic.
The emotional spectrum wants to be used, if it were any easier there would be power ring trees.
Oh and I forgot an emotional spectrum user- Rainbow Girl of the 30th century. Presumably a metahuman, she can use all seven of the colors, but using them makes her feel the appropriate emotion. So she's a substitute legionnaire because of her mood swings. The legion didn't want to deal with a member who is suddenly all "Blood for the Blood God!" when using her powers.
And Halo of the Aurakles might be an emotional spectrum user. Birthed by the Source shortly after the creation of the universe, Aurakles are made out of light. In Blackest Night Halo was able to destroy black lanterns and black lantern rings with white light. Which suggests that she generated the white light of life. And if she generates the white light of life, then her other colors are probably the other parts of the emotional spectrum.
If so she's hardly tapped into her full potential, she uses red to generate heat, orange to form force blasts, indigo to form tractor beams, etc.
Hestia&theCourt
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Probably because the comic book writers decided to resolve the "are the Hawks Thanagarian warriors or Egyptian reincarnators" problem by saying "why not both?" and had them be Thanagarians that reincarnate endlessly. I can easily believe that they reincarnated and died somewhere that the Zamarons could get to them.
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I sort of agree that it's lame, but after the ending where Giovanni was chasing after Fate, I couldn't think of a way for him to win that argument that wouldn't just be a re-hash of the canon version, except with him getting a bit more desperate in his pleading.
So I had him 'win the argument' and switch with his daughter off-screen, because exploring the aftermath through different angles was more interesting to me than showing the scene directly.
Ergo, sorry, but it's not a shape-shifter.
I included Red Volcano because someone mentioned a while ago that they wanted to see him again, but I also mentioned that he does still have some materials testing to get done that he can't do there. Red Volcano is not the only guard, nor does he do it all the time. A rotation will (at a later point) be mentioned, but once Renka woke up and would be more stable people finally became less worried about having a guard watch her 24/7 in case of emergency, since the worst had passed.
They are all going to feel frustrated and silly about this decision when it bites them next episode.
I also spelled it without CAPS LOCK everywhere else, so no, the difference is quite intentional.
Gaia is different from GAEA in much the same way that Nabu is different from FATE {That Which Shall Be}
Make of that what you will.
She'd respect his will to keep living, and then want to get very drunk about him lucking into immortality by being nearby when two of the Endless made a bet. And Renka is not one for strong drink.
For starters, barring a death in combat she has a decade minimum and two decades maximum to live unless something else happens. It's not exactly a short time, I think.
On top of that, given the way she thinks about these life or death things, and her decision to return back to Earth, you'll see Renka's mindset changing from "Don't start anything too long-term because I could be gone again at any time, but also maybe not so I shouldn't live wildly like there's no tomorrow either" into something more along the lines of "I have X amount of time to work with, so how much living can I cram in".
People diagnosed with a (potentially or definitely) terminal disease usually don't stop living just because they know they're going to die. As Renka would remind people, "we all are going to die," so why would living to 40 vs 80 stop her from living well?
Heck, given her healing power and combat ability, she's still likely to outlive a potential partner who's also active on the heroism scene.
Good idea, but due to reasons that'll be explored more in-story, Fate wouldn't consider this the most optimal arrangement. As mentioned in the conversation with Robin, having one Host and a set of apprentices to provide support and a willing replacement on short notice is what he's preferred in the past, but apprentices take time to gather and train after vetting them for trust.
Which isn't to say that Fate might not be persuaded to settle for a sub-optimal arrangement... but you'll have to wait and see how it goes....
I thought it was a nice cameo/shoutout, and I'm glad you noticed.
I admit, I thought of Serenity as the Shard's name first - I needed a Shard who would be nice, but wouldn't be free enough to act that xe could solve too many of Renka's problems, so the unchanging and undisturbed calm of the omnipotent seemed appropriate - and then rearranged Senna's character to fit once I realized it was the perfect chance for a Sailor Moon cameo.
None of the Flash family currently knows about anything like the Speed Force, but other people do.
Odium is not only intense hatred, but according to some definitions it is also used for the behaviors that inspire hatred in others.
Delores Umbridge, whom Harry Potter fans all love to hate, would be described as odious not only because she hates people, but because her behavior inspires people to hate her and to hate each other.
Similarly, Odium's displayed preferences, powers, and subordinates are less about oppressing people under the tyrannical god or killing them than about inspiring them to hate and clash with each other.
- One of his subordinates inspires people to glutinous excesses and revels, leading to sharp social gaps between those rich enough to monopolize food and those starving.
- Another subordinate inspires the Thrill, which is a glorified magical adrenaline rush associated with combat. In short, the Thrill make warfare addictive like a drug.
- A third one causes people to see and utter prophecies about the future when they are dying; as a result, a king has repurposed a royal hospital to slowly and deliberately bleed out patients with scribes by the bedside to write down these prophecies.
To be fair, I'm noticeably using the "why not both" solution in several parts of my story too.
For instance, my Jinx is an amalgam of this Jinx and this Jinx; In her first appearance Ferris describes her as
which basically means she looks bodily like the former but is dressed like the latter. The shoes are because the former version of Jinx supposedly needs her feet in contact with the ground or else her magic gets weaker and dries up. Latter, when she's wearing shoes and in the Tower of Fate, her skin is gray, and I think I've made mention that her hair is growing out pink.
Basically, (since it might not be explained in the story for a while,) while she was growing up LOD's Jinx was the former (ethnically Indian) Jinx. When she hit puberty the part-demon heritage she mentions kicked in and started turning her into the latter (grey skin and pink hair) version of Jinx. The bit of nature-based magic she knows can suppress the demonic heritage, but she needs her feet touching the ground for it to work.
LOD's Jinx signed up with Klarion in the hopes that he could get her a more permanent solution, and... yeah, that worked out well....
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To be fair, it was the most expedient solution with the Hawks.
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Careful inspection shows strong evidence that our beloved author has been replaced by a shapeshifter. I'm going to recommend everyone gather into single file lines, turn towards the nearest emergency exit and run for their lives!
Thanks for the frank breakdown!
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Is there a reason they can't clone a mindless body for Fate to inhabit? Or is that technology firmly in the hands of the bad guys?
Why would he have to be the one to win the argument? Having Zatanna as the permanent host was way more interesting then the switch. Especially since it would have highlighted the different way the justice league thought. Captain Marvel and Superman, Wonder Woman and Giovanni, Batman and the Flash all of them would have a different perspective on the situation and how to deal with it.
I can see Giovanni being more desperate but I don't see how being more desperate would have led to anything other then his being gagged. After all
Fate had just lost any and all respect for Giovanni in that last scene.
If I was going to do it I would have had Fate say no again a second time and then having Zatanna win his respect from inside the helmet while you ignore the blubbering mess outside. Then he would make the switch because of what she said on screen rather then his desperation.
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Of course I would then have her tell everyone that she's a hero and that this is her choice as much as the power rings were the green lanterns which doesn't fit an actual switch but
I was just sad because Fate saying no was as far as I could tell new and interesting and now it isn't.
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Fate's requirements for a permanent host include a need for the host to have some mystic might and knowledge of sorcery for Fate to draw on, so that he doesn't have to do everything himself for years until his host is up to speed.
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A story with Zatanna as the permanent host (part-time or full) would be really interesting, I totally agree, and if you want to post any LOD omakes about that or write an original story I'd love to read either.Why would he have to be the one to win the argument? Having Zatanna as the permanent host was way more interesting then the switch. Especially since it would have highlighted the different way the justice league thought. Captain Marvel and Superman, Wonder Woman and Giovanni, Batman and the Flash all of them would have a different perspective on the situation and how to deal with it.
I can see Giovanni being more desperate but I don't see how being more desperate would have led to anything other then his being gagged. After all
Fate had just lost any and all respect for Giovanni in that last scene.
If I was going to do it I would have had Fate say no again a second time and then having Zatanna win his respect from inside the helmet while you ignore the blubbering mess outside. Then he would make the switch because of what she said on screen rather then his desperation.
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Of course I would then have her tell everyone that she's a hero and that this is her choice as much as the power rings were the green lanterns which doesn't fit an actual switch but
The thing is, factoring in Renka's soft spot for children, and Nabu's regard for her opinion, Zatanna wouldn't be the permanent host. Giovanni would ask Ferris to reason with Fate on his behalf the second she was well enough, and deep down, Nabu knows that his actions are wrong (he calls it a "lesser evil," even).
She would dominate that argument, and Nabu is too emotionally traumatized by recent events and his own failure to think of her disdain or disappointment without flinching. Can you imagine how much it would hurt for her to say that he deserved to go back to the shelf? He can.
Zatanna wasn't realistically going to be winning that argument faster than Ferris would be called in as back-up, because she's emotionally exhausted enough from the Disappearance Disaster - followed by her own horror at Fate's tracking down of bodies - that she would at least give in enough to grin-and-bear-it until things had settled down in a week or two.
Giovanni, on the other hand, is a grown man, a father, and a veteran hero; making sacrifices for the greater good of his child or the world is expected of him by people, as we saw in canon when Batman let him put on the Helmet instead of stealing it in the middle.
Sorry to disappoint, but with the way I've portrayed and will be portraying the characters in the future it pretty much had to happen this way.
That said, if you read Fate's talk with Ferris when she first wakes... Well, I hope by now people have noticed my trends in foreshadowing.
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Huh, he's one of the people least like her I can think of, honestly. He muddles through life, glad to be alive, and takes every day as new and fresh. She seeks purpose in her death, seeking higher principles.
Like, it goes a lot deeper then that really, but... he's changeable and drifting in a world that constant(ly changing. Entropy is constant, no circumstance lasts, no achievement defies the sands of time. It's orderly. Sort of). She's more constant, always spending of herself, always seeking to be better then she was, seeking that ideal worth paying the ultimate price for, against a chaotic world that doesn't always make any more sense then what she and her friends can impose on it.
Though I suppose distance can create perspective just like it can create alienation.
You know, I just realized the really interesting meeting among the Endless for Renka wouldn't be Dream or Destiny or Despair or Delirium, and isn't Death, even though those meetings have been fun.
It's Destruction. I have no clue what she would make of him and how he... walked away. I can't even see the meeting.
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Most heros die before 35? Cheery.
It amuses me that your Jinx actually seems to be moving from the older looking image to the younger one as she ages.
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To be fair, only the unpopular ones actually stay dead. Everyone else comes back eventually, even if it takes a few years.
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Giovanni could have won the argument if he'd put his desperation to one side and argued on the basis that his offer did support Nabu's stated priorities better. Which is difficult but he's Justice League - keeping one's head under pressure is a requirement and the mage in particular must have mental precision no matter the stress. In this case he he can let the difficulty show because, while his desperation is failing as an emotional appeal, the fact that he's performing badly is plank of his practical case.
It might even be stronger coming from another mouth: "Giovanni is reduced to making wild threats and following you around like a needy spaniel. It isn't going to get better. Is he really a better external asset than Zatanna under the circumstances?"
I really don't think that further moral condemnation would help. Nabu has acknowledged the evil of his position and is taking it anyway. Renka might hurt him enough to change his mind that way but from anyone else the repetition would harden his heart. Repetition in general is a bad mode mode of persuasion with Nabu - he is Doctor Fate, Lord of Order and he understood you the first time.
Target Demographic __ Episode 27
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** Episode 27 __ Target Demographic* November 9 [Renka PoV]
Foggily, I woke up to the awareness that I was not alone. I did not recognize either voice, and made no announcements.
"-can't I just can't! Serifan," a woman nearly wailed over an nearby buzzing, "I know she is an Enemy, and a threat to the world here, a blight, but she is injured and helpless! I just can't kill her like an- like I was an Apokolips animal; this is what they would do, and you know it!"
Her presence stumbled away from the head of the bed, and a younger boy's twanging voice answered.
"I… Ah can't really argue with ya, Dreamer. Ah'm findin' Ah ain't exactly got a stommack fer it either, but it needs to- you can feel it here, can't ya. It's murderous, and eatin' away at ya, and totally evil. She's strong as when she sent Motherbox screamin' or stronger, an' that's even while she's half dead an' all. There was a whole bunch'a people what died a bit ago, an' the jury's all out on who dunnit."
"I know she likely arranged those deaths-," Ordinarily, I might have started contemplating murder of the idiots or gotten mildly angry at the words, but I was exhausted enough that it didn't entirely parse, and all I managed was a twinge of pity about their misinformation. "-and fed off of the despair, but right now she is injured and unconscious. Helpless. C-can we," the woman called Dreamer wondered, sounding utterly disgusted, "can we get her to do it. I can't- can't believe I want to let her kill someone, but it seems like she'd enjoy- ow!"
"Don' talk like that Dreamer, it'll make ya sound like one of 'em. People say that old monster Desaad {Sadism} used to be one of us, a while back, and now a guy born on New Genesis is one of the Enemy's top in awfulness. One of 'em who could learn ta love can be just as good."
"I-... I know. You're right, Serifan. I'm sorry, I just- this… It makes me sick, thinking about this. But we can't just leave the Enemy in place, to work whatever plots she is planning." I cracked my eyelids open, and took a peek. A young boy in cowboy clothes was consoling a woman in pink trimmed black clothes.
Neither was anywhere near traught, and they looked bruised, like they were recently 'put through the wringer'.
"It'd be so much cleaner if she was awake an' up," the boy commented, and I closed my eye again. Quietly, subtly, I flexed my muscles to feel how much strength was in my body, trying not to alert the invaders. "If it's fightin' an foe or varmint, Ah can do that. This... Dreamer, either one o' us can stay here an' the other gets more help, or one of us can do it. Ah… think Ah can shoot her, if we have ta, but Ah remember ya helped tha' one guy jus'… go ta sleep once, and go on quiet-like. Wouldn' hurt or anything, right?"
"Girl. Streegmax was closer to the female schema than male, for that species," Dreamer corrected thickly. "I… yes, I think I can do that. It might… be dangerous to touch a mind touched by Anti-Life-," I did my best to remain unnoticed as I shifted my weight and braced; my left arm was much weaker than the right, and I would be walking with a limp, but if I was fast I would be able to fight in a brief burst of activity. "-but I… I would not take a life without willingness to risk my own in return. It is only fitting," she resolved, "if I am to help her pass on."
Dreamer stepped back over, closer to the head of my bed, and I considered the irony of my own recent brush with death, so soon.
Eyes closed, I relied on my other senses to tell when Dreamer leaned over me and reached out. I was starkly aware of her and his presence in a way I had never been before, but the new sensations I vaguely understood from my time in tune with Nabu. The Dr. Fate was an ancient master of the mystic arts, and our comprehensions had undoubtedly rubbed off against one another as we were mingled.
I felt the aura of her mantle.
In turn, her power reached out to me. It was nothing so insistent as even a firm grasp, or a penetration. Dreamer sought in a way to mingle, as might fog with the smoke from a fire.
I was less than inclined to let her.
My eyes snapped open, I surged upright, braced on my left arm for leverage, and I decked her. My right fist collided with her already swollen right eye, and she staggered back more than I had expected.
Some odd interaction between our natures had injured her more severely than expected, but not critically so. I did not stop to see if she fell.
Instead, I flowed with my momentum and – as I knew I would not be able to quickly stand after this – lunged, jumping off my bed, driving my full weight onto Serifan as he fumbled for his guns. I focused my full attention on him as I struck, smashing away the one weapon he had drawn with my fist, bearing him to the ground and struggling to put him in a hold, because Dreamer was unlikely to stay down.
He had not acted nor felt like a child, though he looked like one, but I had expected him to be stronger than he seemed. On the flipside, Serifan was also panicked, flailing almost blindly, and I would later wonder if my mere presence was hurting him. At the time, though, I was too preoccupied in subduing him to think it over.
Dreamer recovered faster than I had hoped for, but she made the mistake of shouting Serifan's name in alarm before she lunged at me.
Melee combat clearly was not her forte. I twisted around to loop my right arm around her shoulders, and…
Well, it was not a quickly ended fight, but after a few minutes of struggle I was eventually able to wrangle them into position and bang both their heads together.
Several times.
Afterward, I contentedly stayed on the ground, sore and panting for ragged breath. My arms were both bleeding at the inner elbows, where my lunge had torn out several tubes and needles.
Bandaging those became my first priority and preoccupation, followed by making a makeshift crutch to support my weight.
I was weak, but if I remained I would only become weaker, and I could not afford that. These strangers had invaded the Mountain, and it sounded as though they were targeting me. My friends were here, no doubt fighting any others, and I could not refuse to assist them.
I turned off a screaming machine with thick fingers, and the sweet silence that fell over my thudding skull was broken by buzzing. I glanced up.
The door to the hall was open, and there were clouds of flies around the ceiling of this room and the hall. The cloud in the hall was appropriately larger as per the halls size, and while it was not a thick cloud, there were still a lot of flies.
I understood nowhere near every ability associated with my aura and mantle, as my time with Nabu and Serenity had taught me to know the terms, but the cloud of flies disrupted into a more disorderly panic where I glared at them, and none swarmed too close to me.
I could not risk leaving my friends to fight alone, and I could not risk being a sitting duck used against them.
I had nothing much to tie my prisoners up with, but I made do with plastic tubes, still dripping drugs and saline solution.
Serifan was small enough to go over my shoulder, and I could manage travel if I leaned on the wall and my crutch supported our weight. I would not be moving quickly, but I had heard Earth story of the tortoise and the hare.
For Dreamer, I did not have many better options than to drag her by her hair.
I knew (in a way) that she was strong enough for it to not damage her neck, and it kept her head from bouncing against the ground as well as keeping her from kicking at me should she wake.
As I arranged them properly, the cloud of flies tried to surge down at me until I glared them away again. They dispersed in part, and then reformed up among the whole cloud at the ceiling. I could do nothing more, so except for the wary corner of my eye, I ignored them.
Slowly, steadily, I set off down the hall.
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Hah. Ruin would seem similar enough to Anti-Life to panic these jokers.
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Well this is the most original take on this episode I've ever seen. In hindsight it seems obvious that something like this would happen, but I guess I never actually thought about it.
I do wonder what the swarm is about, all I can think of is that this suddenly became a Worm crossover.
It looks like the Forever People didn't get to Ferris without taking some injuries of their own. Though I am curious to how they managed to fight their way through the Team, given that Superboy by himself is more compotent than their entire group. They could have used Infinity Man, but then it seems wierd that the other members didn't go to 'stop' Ferris.
I do wonder what the swarm is about, all I can think of is that this suddenly became a Worm crossover.
It looks like the Forever People didn't get to Ferris without taking some injuries of their own. Though I am curious to how they managed to fight their way through the Team, given that Superboy by himself is more compotent than their entire group. They could have used Infinity Man, but then it seems wierd that the other members didn't go to 'stop' Ferris.
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Because they spent the weeks in between on an emergency recruiting mission to round up allied New Gods, duh.I do wonder what the swarm is about, all I can think of is that this suddenly became a Worm crossover.
It looks like the Forever People didn't get to Ferris without taking some injuries of their own. Though I am curious to how they managed to fight their way through the Team, given that Superboy by himself is more compotent than their entire group. They could have used Infinity Man, but then it seems wierd that the other members didn't go to 'stop' Ferris.
In Interactions - part 1 the Team is checking out the aftermath of a skirmish where the Forever People found an Apokolips agent lying low instead of a New Genesis aligned New God on vacation. And which New God has a friend with power over flies?
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Tattletale is a New God?
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I mean, that would actually be an interesting story. I'd read it.
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So would I.
Don't know if it would be anything other than a crack one shot but I'd read it.