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Maybe she can share a cab (Space Cabbie) with Ultra the Multi-Alien.
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Maybe she can share a cab (Space Cabbie) with Ultra the Multi-Alien.
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Amazing chapter. There is so much getting kicked off in the new round of plot developments.
I'm curious about prolithium. Harvested from Lazarus pits, melts at exactly 256 K (=16x16), encourages growth, and sounds like the metaphysical attribute that Wren attributed to humanity when she said "humans are prolific." Significant indeed!
I'm curious about prolithium. Harvested from Lazarus pits, melts at exactly 256 K (=16x16), encourages growth, and sounds like the metaphysical attribute that Wren attributed to humanity when she said "humans are prolific." Significant indeed!
So did I, but the fact that Kosmima specifically warned Diana about introducing them makes me concerned.
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Well the White Light Entity was napping underneath the Earth in DC comics.
Hopefully it's not the god-material of the Cancer God.
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I have, I think, given you enough information to figure out where Donna is going, if you care to guess.
EDIT: Bonus Question: who here recognized the mythology gag in Donna's outfit?
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shepsquared
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My only guess I can think of for where Donna is going is Vega and that's due to the mention of slavery - but there's got to be other places in DC with it.
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So compiling Donna's new gear:
So:
1) Blessing of Leto, Bracer of Phoebe. According to Google/Wikipedia Phoebe was perhaps seen as the Titan of Prophecy and Oracular Intellect. Who knows what it can do but sounds impressive.
2) Blessing of Hecate, Lasso of Persuasion, maybe doubling as an indestructible net, some sort of mind control ability? Source Oceanus, Titan of Water.
3) Blessing of Persephone, Amulet of Cronos, Titan of Time. Time powers? Sounds impressive whatever it does.
4) Blessing of Hera, Night Sky Robe? Worn like clothing and at the very least gives her direction to her goal and permits FTL travel, plus darkness themes?
5) Blessing of Kosmima, Earring of Balance? Renka and Kosmima's pet project, can calm Donna's mental state whilst allowing her to occasionally see the future. Synergy with Amulet of Cronos/Bracer of Phoebe?
These sound like they would make a very cunning and difficult to deal with opponent indeed, with likely at least some level of prophecy/precognition, time powers, mind control, divination of targets location and FTL travel, in addition to her innate powers...
Damn Donna. Talk about an upgrade. Sounds badass!
Actually, note that between potential Prophecy Bracer, Interrogation Lasso, Time Amulet, Targeting and Travel Robe plus Precognition Earring, it sounds like the Goddesses are effectively trying to create a (Bounty?) Hunter build for Donna (slightly ironic with Artemis (no not that one, the other one) right there but not involved). They really want Thia found huh?
She will fight Slavers and Conquerors...
Thia herself enjoys the practice of slavery...
Thinking on who Renka and the Team have encountered before...
Donna is totally going to end up fighting some part of Apokolips isn't she? Thea sounds like she would fit right in with them.
I can see how Donna on her outer space adventures and the Team will end up reuniting out there if Apokolips ends getting involved with the plot again.
So:
1) Blessing of Leto, Bracer of Phoebe. According to Google/Wikipedia Phoebe was perhaps seen as the Titan of Prophecy and Oracular Intellect. Who knows what it can do but sounds impressive.
2) Blessing of Hecate, Lasso of Persuasion, maybe doubling as an indestructible net, some sort of mind control ability? Source Oceanus, Titan of Water.
3) Blessing of Persephone, Amulet of Cronos, Titan of Time. Time powers? Sounds impressive whatever it does.
4) Blessing of Hera, Night Sky Robe? Worn like clothing and at the very least gives her direction to her goal and permits FTL travel, plus darkness themes?
5) Blessing of Kosmima, Earring of Balance? Renka and Kosmima's pet project, can calm Donna's mental state whilst allowing her to occasionally see the future. Synergy with Amulet of Cronos/Bracer of Phoebe?
These sound like they would make a very cunning and difficult to deal with opponent indeed, with likely at least some level of prophecy/precognition, time powers, mind control, divination of targets location and FTL travel, in addition to her innate powers...
Damn Donna. Talk about an upgrade. Sounds badass!
Actually, note that between potential Prophecy Bracer, Interrogation Lasso, Time Amulet, Targeting and Travel Robe plus Precognition Earring, it sounds like the Goddesses are effectively trying to create a (Bounty?) Hunter build for Donna (slightly ironic with Artemis (no not that one, the other one) right there but not involved). They really want Thia found huh?
She will fight Slavers and Conquerors...
Thia herself enjoys the practice of slavery...
Thinking on who Renka and the Team have encountered before...
Donna is totally going to end up fighting some part of Apokolips isn't she? Thea sounds like she would fit right in with them.
I can see how Donna on her outer space adventures and the Team will end up reuniting out there if Apokolips ends getting involved with the plot again.
shepsquared
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So this is what Donna is wearing now, right?
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Or perhaps something like this, her Titan given outfit from the comics
(Original) More Than a garage sale ___ Episode 44
Obloquy
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Life Ore Death
** Episode 44 ___ More Than a garage Sale* June 19 [Superman PoV]
When we had discussed my doubts about her proposed approach to the situation, Renka had suggested that I take some time to think about trust, what it meant, and what it meant to the people I trusted. 'I could give you a lecture on what it means to me,' she had said, 'but my advice is a coin-toss, I think. Ask the people you trust about whom they trust, and see if they agree with me.' So I had.
It hadn't been as straightforward as either of us had expected:
Lois was a snoop and naturally suspicious; her career was built on not taking people at their word
Jimmy had been a bit busy packing and preparing to leave, so he hadn't had time to really think it through before answering
I'd caught Conner at a bad time; he irately turned it back on me, about my not trusting him, before rushing off
Snapper had been apologetically busy, but grimly reminded me of when he'd been trusted with the League's secrecy
Dan Turpin had been busy, but identified himself as naturally suspicious, and too often proven right
Bruce and Diana… I knew well enough what they would say, and they had more important things to do than helping me
Ma & Pa had lived for years in fear of some spook taking me away to cut me open, so they knew a lot about not trusting the government
'But Pa still gave me the best idea I've heard about it,' I reflected as I waited for our guests by the Zetas. The briefcase Renka had given to me—to dispense with according to her idea or not as I believed best—sat heavy in my hand despite my super-strength.
On Pa's advice, I'd gone online and run a search about TRUST to see what rang true with me. It gave… mixed results.
A single lie discovered is enough to create doubt in every truth expressed. The thing is, even I've lied about things, like my identity.
Life is full of fake people! Trust no one. That was what Bruce would preach, even if he didn't and couldn't wholly practice it.
I find it hard to trust when all you have from the past is evidence to why you shouldn't. Bruce again, if I made him justify himself, I bet.
Earn trust, earn trust, earn trust, and then you can worry about the rest. But I had been earning trust since 1998. When would it end?
Never lie to someone who trusts you, and never trust anyone who lies to you. Never? This one made me feel guilty, too judgmental.
A man who does not trust enough will not be trusted. Better, but that put the burden on me. Should it be? Have they trusted me?
Trusting someone is my decision. Proving me right is their choice. It was ultimate summation of my current conundrum…
I find it hard to trust, and people often ask me why. I ask them why is it so hard to keep a promise. An apt descriptor for Bruce, again.
Once you choose to trust the people in your life, they will feel and act more trustworthy. Yet so many people hadn't in my past.
Never be afraid to trust an unknown future to a known God. I believe, yes, but 'God helps those who help themselves,' right?
Xenophobia doesn't benefit anyone unless you're playing high-stakes Scrabble. That quote had at least made me laugh amid all of this.
Don't believe what you see! Even salt looks like sugar. I saw far more truth there than I was comfortable with, but still….
I call it love, to give another the power to destroy you, and trust them not to. I believed that. I trusted Diana, Bruce, J'onn, Barry….
Something I learned about people… if they do it once, they'll do it again. I disagreed with this. People can change. They do change.
The best place to find a helping hand is at the end of your own arm. Trust yourself! But could I, when I could do so much harm?
Relationships are about trust. If you have to play detective, it's time to move on. Was I doing that here, watching them? But then, Lois….
Untrustworthy people want to drag you down to their level. If you know any, use them as an example of how not to behave. Bruce….
Saying "sorry" works with mistakes, but not with broken trust, because forgiving is easy, but forgetting may be almost impossible. ….
The people when rightly and fully trusted will return that trust. –Abraham Lincoln
The thought of that last quote, the one attributed to Lincoln, made me think of Icon. He had lived through the Civil War, and Jim Crow, and the Civil Rights movement; all the while, he was not only identified as colored, but he was also secretly an alien fearing discovery.
I'd told him what we were doing, obviously, and my reservations about it, but while he'd agreed to come with me for this meeting, and the plan, I was only now realizing that he hadn't exactly expressed his opinions about it. 'He deserves more respect than that,' I resolved.
"Arnus," I asked, turning to him, "do you believe we're doing the right thing? There's a tremendous risk if these are misused….?"
He shifted slightly. "Truth be told, Kal-El, with the stories I've heard about Ferris, I wonder if this is a bit of a scam," he admitted.
"A scam?" 'I don't think she…' "Of who, and how, exactly?"
"To my understanding," Icon answered, "the government already had the pieces for this x-ionization process, and some weapons made with them, after the arrested Wade Eiling and confiscated his supplies. The government already had a small supply of weaponry and armor capable of cutting you, or myself, or Wonder Woman. What are they going to cut with these that they couldn't cut already? If they didn't need Ferris for some part of the x-ionization process, then they didn't really need her help at all, because x-ionized adamantium-,"
<Recognized-, > the Zeta network chimed as our guests arrived.
"-will cut you as sharply as iron would," Icon finished, and the two of us strode forward to meet our guests.
I felt a bit awkward about them, about working with these specific people, but I could also see the reasoning here….
"General Lane, Warden Waller," I greeted with a nod. "I'm sorry to take you away from your families on Father's Day, but-,"
"We wanted to discuss the exchange as soon as possible, yes," Sam Lane interrupted gruffly, but at least he still shook my hand.
Waller, shaking Icon's hand, told him, "You are not the black, planetary immigrant hero I was expecting to see today. Amanda Waller."
"Arnus, of the Terminian race," he replied. "There was an unreported attack back on Thursday, when one group of the raiders tried to pillage Superman's home base." I didn't quite squirm at the familiar falsehood, but I hoped it wouldn't set the tone for this situation; I'd asked Arnus along because he was experienced and unbiased, after all. "Ferris subdued them, and she's gone to Thanagar to testify about it to the Thanagarian government. While we're on a roll," Icon invited drily, "might as well get any other commentary out of the way."
Waller and Lane shared a look, which I hoped was a good sign. 'They're both controlled enough that I can't tell with my senses. Still....'
"Dare I ask about how much this place cost?" Waller asked drily, motioning around the Watchtower.
"Or whether you have immigration papers?" General Lane added with a less than serious snort.
"The Green Lantern Corps donated a decommissioned outpost base after the events that led to Star Sapphire's rehabilitation," I summarized, sharing my own look with Icon. "A few League members provided the decorations out of our own pockets and spare time."
"As for papers, I got mine with my freedom in eighteen sixty-five, same as the rest of the plantation slaves," Icon added. I could tell from the slight starts both gave that they hadn't expected his answer, but I believed that they believed him. "I've been here a while, General."
"Maybe we should find some seats," I offered as they processed that. "This way?"
The four of us filed into a meeting room and sat.
Pleasantries concluded, we settled in to do business.
"Is that them?" Waller inquired; Sam Lane outranked her, but he seemed willing to let her do the talking here.
"Yes." I put the case on the table, opened it, and flipped it around. "Eight knives of x-ionized adamantine. May I demonstrate?"
"Please do." I'm not sure what Waller expected me to demonstrate with, but I didn't have an issue touching the tip to the back of my hand and drawing blood. It was sort of refreshing, in a way; I was feeling things without kryptonite or Red Sunlight Exhaustion to hurt me.
'Even pain is a feeling, and as valid as any other,' I reflected, flexing my fingers so that my skin pulled at the small cut.
"They work on more than Kryptonians," Icon added, drawing blood from his own skin with a second box-cutter knife.
I sanitized both blades with my heat vision, and we put them back in the case.
"There are also the other metal samples, as Ferris mentioned," I noted, gesturing vaguely at the ingots she had procured.
"Yes." Waller was frowning slightly. "Ferris never named a specific price for selling these to the government. Has the Justice League come up with one to negotiate about?"
"First, if you don't mind," Lane interrupted, "I'd like to know how many other knives there are in this style. I saw serial numbers…?"
"Ferris asked the developer to include serial numbers for easier tracking; as you can imagine no one wants these weapons to get into the wrong hands. If they are misused, we will be able to track where the leak was." I took the last knife in the line-up and extended it.
Then, with more effort than it should have taken me, I handed it, handle first, to Warden Waller.
"Sixteen," she noted, reading the Roman numerals XVI.
"There would be seventeen," I admitted, "but her proof-of-concept model ended up being… destruct tested, let's say." We had agreed to leave out its interactions with Nth metal until she had reported it to Thanagar's government. "Offering you half of the sixteen seems reasonable to me." 'I certainly can't imagine what you'd want to do with more than two or three, if not use them on me, Diana, Icon….'
"That assumes we decide to buy all eight," General Lane commented. I couldn't believe that he would pass up a chance at a weapon able to hurt me, but it might have been a matter of the potential, yet undecided price.
'That, and what she said….'
"Renka said something that has stuck with me, when she first proposed this," I began. "She said that we – everyone in this room, I presume, and our allies – we all want the same thing. We want the world safe for good people to live, free and happy, without fear of coming to harm from those with evil intentions. It was reminiscent of something I, in turn, had said to her some time ago: while it is far from the greatest difference between us, one important difference between heroes and villains is the matter of what each would do without the other.
"In a world with no heroes, no warriors, no champions or law enforcement," I continued, and I could see them watching me, thinking about what I had to say, and it gave me hope, "the criminals and super-villains would take over, running wild and abusing innocents with abandon to gain from it, or vent their rage and envy. On the other hand, in a world where all crime and criminals had disappeared, the majority of us would just… stop, or so I imagine. Oh, I might do disaster relief, and supplies delivers, and public awareness campaigns, but there would be no need to continue fighting when I didn't need to protect anyone. Fighting for its own sake is violence, and that's not who I am. I imagine you two are much the same: when dangers rears its head, we can buckle down and get to serious business, but at the end of the day, we want to go home, have dinner with our families, talk about our days and spend time together.
"Because of my powers, General, Warden, you've previously believed that I might threaten that some day. I… can't entirely blame you," I admitted. "Not long after Batman and I met each other, I gave him a sample of Kryptonite, to use against me if it was ever necessary.
"Six months ago," I finished, my voice harder, "it was nearly necessary. The same cabal of super-villains responsible for the Disappearance Disaster put into action a plan that mind-controlled most of the Justice League, as well as affiliates, and members of the JSA. Our partners, many of who are still children, risked life and limb to save us, and to save the world from us before the Light turned us loose on innocent people. We still don't know what half-a-dozen of the Justice League, myself included, were sent to do for sixteen hours before they called us back. If Savage had turned us on the cities of the world in those hours, there could have been millions of casualties."
With that said, I pushed the case across the table to the two of them. Both looked 'befuzzled,' as Ma would put it. I nodded to Icon.
"Are you seriously giving us these for free?" Waller wondered skeptically.
"No," Icon said, "but the exact price is not important. What is important is this: we now have a common enemy in the Light, whom we know seek to throw the world into chaos and endanger all the people we love for their personal gain." He produced two pens, and two sheets of paper. "What we want from you is not a legal contract bound to exact letters, terms and phrases. We want an alliance of principles.
"If you want to leave here with everything Ferris prepared for you, all you have to do is sign for it; write that you intend to use these to protect innocent lives, that you take responsibility for keeping them from misuse, and that you will cooperate with us and repay us within reason in the future. Then sign your names, and you can go."
"That won't be legally binding," Waller said skeptically, but she took the pen.
I knew it wasn't what she was thinking about, but my frustration welled up again; I dropped my palm on the table and gave it voice.
"Both of your names were linked to government funding for Cadmus," I reminded them sharply. "Nothing illegal—there's nothing to prove that you knew about them cloning me, or making living beings they treated as weapons and slaves—but trust requires a track record. Right now, I wouldn't trust either of you not to loophole your way out of any contracts you could sign." 'Breathe.' "Fortunately, I don't have to.
"Renka believes, and I believe too," I declared, "that you both believe yourselves to be good people. We believe that you value Leadership." 'It's a helpful mnemonic, LDRSHIP.' "Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal courage," I continued, listing the stated values of our armed forces. "I don't know whether you knew what Cadmus was doing, but the both of you are parents; even if you did know-," It was difficult to continue, but I had to, it was what I had resolved was right to do. "-then I'm willing to let it go, and forgive you. Things have changed, now, because you know about the Disappearance Disaster, and any cooperation you could possibly have with those people… I don't believe you can ever justify that to yourselves, not without tearing your beliefs at the seams."
It wasn't exhausting, not exactly, to say all that, but I was quite relieved to let Icon step up and speak again.
"You believe the Justice League may be a threat. We believe you may one day turn against us when all we want to do is help," he assured them. "Even so, we all know, right now, that the Light is a threat. If they could kill us all and take control, they likely would. The only way we can ensure that Earth remains free from their tyranny is to work together; our differences are matters of opinion beside that.
"We will take it in good faith that you will work with us, and not betray us. Write that you will do so, sign, and if we are betrayed, then at least we will know for certain where you stand. The specific price is unimportant; anything Ferris might ask from you in repayment," Icon promised, rephrasing what she had told him before she left, "she would ask as a personal favor, or in the interest of advancing our common goals. You would be free to refuse with no obligation.
"If Savage had turned the Justice League against the cities of the world – or if he manages to control us again and do so – then you will be Earth's best hope for survival and freedom. If Professor Strange and General Eiling had remained in positions of power," he continued, and I felt some grim satisfaction as both of our guests gave expressions of distaste, "then we would be your best hope for a better world, after they inevitably removed you. If you will not abide by the spirit of a deal, then it is not worth trying to work with you at all."
Both of our guests thought it over.
Waller picked up her pen first, and began to write. Before she finished, Sam Lane had begun to write as well, and she waited for him to sign. Then she put the pen down, handed the paper back to me, and waved me off when I tried to pass her the case.
"I knew that Cadmus was cloning tissue, and human cells," she said flatly. "It was advertised to me as experiments to improve organ donations, limb replacements, skin grafts… with my family's history, you can understand why that appealed to me."
"I knew about the Genomorphs," Lane added gruffly, "but not that they were sentient." I bit back on my instinct to correct him: they were sapient, more than sentient. "Genetically bred animals: beasts of burden, better than guard dogs, that's all they were supposed to be. I toured a few floors of Cadmus underground, several years ago. I wouldn't have wanted any more of you running around, though; one Kryptonian is enough of a threat." He paused. "I don't suppose I could ask you about that boy who helped stop the Ice Fortresses, Kal-El?"
'That's… direct. God help me, but I believe him, even if I can't tell. Although… Renka is correct that unexpected humor can be revealing.'
"It turns out Luthor's obsession is more perverted than aggressive," I answered with a blithe smile, tapping into my best Cornflake Kent mannerisms. "Lex grew a half-him, half-me baby in a test tube after the first Kryptonian clone… Well, that's a sad story. Still, Kon-El has been perfectly stable since we liberated him, even if he lacks some of my superpowers."
"Literally, half of him and you?" Waller wondered suddenly. "Is that something a DNA test could prove?"
I bit my lip. "Almost certainly." 'But why would you want or need access to our DNA?'
"I may be licensed to practice interstellar law, but custody hearings are a bit beyond me," Icon warned, straight-faced.
"Not that," she snapped, though Lane and I chuckled. He gave a start, surprised we'd both found it amusing. "Superman, we still don't have much on Luthor, legally. We've had your testimony that someone matching his description was involved in the Light," Waller explained, "but he's had alibis we've confirmed for some of those time periods, and that evidence isn't easily admissible. A blood test proving that his DNA was involved could get us a warrant to put him under longer-term, stricter surveillance, no matter how many judges are in his pocket."
I inhaled sharply at the possibility of that man finally facing Justice. "I'll speak with Kon-El to see if he's willing."
"Thank you." Waller stood. "Get back to me- to us," she amended as Lane stood up with her, "as soon as you know for certain. Until then, I'm going to go through my sources with a fine-toothed comb and see what I can dig up. If that's everything?"
"You should take the case with you," I objected, as they both seemed ready to leave without it. "It is why we're here, after all."
They shared another look.
"Keep it for now," Warden Waller told me. "If nothing else, I still need to vet the places I'd store these."
"Neither of you are holding onto them personally?" I questioned, trying not to sound judging in either direction.
A long moment passed.
Warden Waller and General Lane both reached over and took one box-cutter each.
"Might as well, if I've signed for it. We'll pick the rest up when we're ready to keep them," Waller decided.
"I expect we'll be seeing a lot of each other over the next few weeks," General Lane agreed, slipping his knife into his jacket pocket.
We shook on it, and it felt like when we first founded the Justice League: the start of a shining new era.
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This... honestly, this is probably the most useful knock-on effect Renka's had on the entire setting thus far. I'm not a fan of governments or militaries as a whole, but this is one setting where superheroes need the extra help, and I agree that Waller and Lane, while not being people I'd trust unreservedly, have reason to want the Light gone more than they distrust superheroes. Hell, the Light have actively nearly killed Waller's family twice that I recall, so she has up-close and personal reasons to want them dead. If these have to be in anyone's hands, there are worse hands than Waller's or Lane's.
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Well I was feeling hopeful until I saw this line just begging to be cruelly ironic in retrospect.
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Yup. Plus, now that they actually have potential ways to take down Superman (or Captain Atom, or Captain Marvel, or Wonder Woman, or most of the other invulnerable people) because Superman handed them over, it'll be actual betrayal if they do turn on him without a good reason, instead of "necessary preventative measures".
Even if they're failing, as long as they're trying to do the right thing (protect the public from rogue super-humans) it means they still recognize Right & Wrong as being important.
Plus the families thing. Man, the Disappearance Disaster really cost the Light, since it hurt everyone not associated with the Light and threatened all the kids their potential pawns or allies could've cared about.
Super-villainy. Shortsighted, isn't it?
You know, I never thought of it this way, but now that you've pointed it out I really agree with it. I wonder if that means the other breeds of Genomorph (G-gnomes, G-trolls, etc.) aren't genetically similar at all. Obviously they have to have variations either way, but there's a large gap between "Mastiff vs Great Dane vs Chihuaha," and "Wolf vs Badger vs Elephant".
Most of your examples emphatically couldn't happen in LOD, I will say. But it is something to do with Superman, rather than general aliens; it hasn't been confirmed in-universe, but M'gann, J'onn, and Arnus could all take Lerasium and use Allomancy without much issue.
Not material of the Cancer God (unless I smoosh some things together narratively) but I wonder if I'm going to have to start a second AU DC story with all this wonderful material that won't fit in LOD.
The White Light Entity is staying in a pan-spacial sub-dimensional plane, sort of, but it is (more) accessible from Earth in theory. It's also (more) accessible from a couple of other planets as well.
Close enough, yes. Swap her two earring for the one from Kosmima, add the Lasso, and I'm pretty sure she's wearing an arm bracelet, an amulet, and the starry outfit in the picture already.So this is what Donna is wearing now, right?
Apokolips may be involved, but they will not (yet) be the major antagonists of Donna's Hero Of Another Story adventures (you can figure that out with a quick Google search if you read closely, I think). Though yes, Thia would fit right in, assuming Darkseid didn't quickly annihilate her for trying to overthrow/surpass him.
The Hunter build is deliberate, because yes, the ones who want her found really, really want her found; Thia was The Heavy of the Titans while Cronus played general. Not that Cronus was a pushover either, but she was the Merlin (sorcerery expert) to his King Arthur (warrior & leader with powerful weapons), except that they were closer in age and Merlin didn't regularly drop magical nukes on enemy armies.
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They would almost certainly share gene strands, once you've found how to activate telepathy one way, you keep copy pasting that rather than re-inventing the wheel.
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Actually they didn't mean to make Dubby telepathic. He was designed to be telekinetic, and the telepathy was a free gift with purchase. Cadmus didn't even know that Dubby was telepathic, it was the ace up his sleeve.
The gnomes were the only genomorphs they meant to make telepathic, the other genomorphs were designed to do other things.
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I thought they were all receptive telepaths and that was how they were commanded.
Was I wrong?
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You are probably thinking of With This Ring, in which the Genomorphs share a telepathic hivemind. Zoat enjoys the same cart blanche as any other writer- to make things up as one sees fit.
Hestia&theCourt
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...wait, hold on, if Cadmus didn't know Dubbilex was telepathic, how did they think he was talking with no mouth???
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He has a mouth.
...I don't remember that ever being there. Not sure if I'm unobservant or if it's just been too long since I've seen the show.
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Well forgetting someone had a mouth seems like an odd thing to forget, it has been 10 years since YJ started, being fuzzy is understandable.
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I'm glad to catch up. This is a very different story than what I was anticipating when it was recommended...but it definitely is rekindled my interest in the Mistborn trilogy--I'm going to have to reread my old copies
Also, I want to be clear before I go on, I have enjoyed the story a lot. It's interesting, and I've enjoyed reading all of it.
That said, one thing that's disappointing me about Renka is that she hasn't done more (that we know about) wrt finding a new host for Nabu. I mean, even if she thinks that it's better for the Zatara to be the host than nobody...she openly acknowledged that he wasn't a very good host. From a purely utilitarian perspective, it makes sense to try to free the Zatara to do his own heroics, while the Fate does Fate stuff in someone (or multiple people, to lessen the burden) that he's doing regardless--oh, right, and to help slow the inevitable descent into madness that Zatanna seems to be sliding into.
Like...it's been months. Months and months. For 7 of those, she was stuck in a wheelchair. It's not like she wasn't doing anything, but if she could spend an hour a weekday to visit her godson in Atlantis, she could spend at least half an hour trying to find a willing host for her friend, Fate, to help out both a man she clearly respected and her friend on the Team. And I could have missed it, but I don't think we've seen a bit of it even hinted, other than...I think it was Superman mentioning that she had made noises about trying to continue the search, but nothing from her since then.
If I missed or am forgetting something, please let me know.
Honestly, I think Zatanna should be searching too, to free her dad, but between the aforementioned madness and being a teenager, not making the best choices is understandable.
Now, with all of that being said, I'm hopeful that there's been a lot of that going on behind the scenes. There's certainly been a lot of time that's glossed over, and more than enough of it to hide an international magician search. It'd be a bit of a copout, but I've seen stories do that kind of thing, to take the audience by surprise.
But as it is, even with how distracted she is and has been, from all of the amazing things to learn about in this Rusting crazy world...I'm disappointed in her.
Also, I want to be clear before I go on, I have enjoyed the story a lot. It's interesting, and I've enjoyed reading all of it.
That said, one thing that's disappointing me about Renka is that she hasn't done more (that we know about) wrt finding a new host for Nabu. I mean, even if she thinks that it's better for the Zatara to be the host than nobody...she openly acknowledged that he wasn't a very good host. From a purely utilitarian perspective, it makes sense to try to free the Zatara to do his own heroics, while the Fate does Fate stuff in someone (or multiple people, to lessen the burden) that he's doing regardless--oh, right, and to help slow the inevitable descent into madness that Zatanna seems to be sliding into.
Like...it's been months. Months and months. For 7 of those, she was stuck in a wheelchair. It's not like she wasn't doing anything, but if she could spend an hour a weekday to visit her godson in Atlantis, she could spend at least half an hour trying to find a willing host for her friend, Fate, to help out both a man she clearly respected and her friend on the Team. And I could have missed it, but I don't think we've seen a bit of it even hinted, other than...I think it was Superman mentioning that she had made noises about trying to continue the search, but nothing from her since then.
If I missed or am forgetting something, please let me know.
Honestly, I think Zatanna should be searching too, to free her dad, but between the aforementioned madness and being a teenager, not making the best choices is understandable.
Now, with all of that being said, I'm hopeful that there's been a lot of that going on behind the scenes. There's certainly been a lot of time that's glossed over, and more than enough of it to hide an international magician search. It'd be a bit of a copout, but I've seen stories do that kind of thing, to take the audience by surprise.
But as it is, even with how distracted she is and has been, from all of the amazing things to learn about in this Rusting crazy world...I'm disappointed in her.
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I believe she's also delegated some of it to other people such as asking Mera to set up a program of sorts (if I'm remembering things correctly)
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To my knowledge, Renka is still unclear on what is happening with Fate. She doesn't know that Nabu is in charge 24/7 and that Zatanna hasn't spoken to her father since he put on the helmet. She would certainly be upset if she knew, which is why Nabu hasn't mentioned it. everyone else assumes that she knows and don't want to fight with her about it since she has made her support of Fate very clear.
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When Renka first woke up from her coma, Fate-in-Zatara was the first person she saw, and while he informed her about Zatara being his host now, Fate was disingenuous about how (coerced in exchange for Zatanna's freedom) Zatara came to that agreement and what that agreement is, because Fate knew Ferris would disapprove.I'm glad to catch up. This is a very different story than what I was anticipating when it was recommended...but it definitely is rekindled my interest in the Mistborn trilogy--I'm going to have to reread my old copies
Also, I want to be clear before I go on, I have enjoyed the story a lot. It's interesting, and I've enjoyed reading all of it.
That said, one thing that's disappointing me about Renka is that she hasn't done more (that we know about) wrt finding a new host for Nabu. I mean, even if she thinks that it's better for the Zatara to be the host than nobody...she openly acknowledged that he wasn't a very good host. From a purely utilitarian perspective, it makes sense to try to free the Zatara to do his own heroics, while the Fate does Fate stuff in someone (or multiple people, to lessen the burden) that he's doing regardless--oh, right, and to help slow the inevitable descent into madness that Zatanna seems to be sliding into.
Like...it's been months. Months and months. For 7 of those, she was stuck in a wheelchair. It's not like she wasn't doing anything, but if she could spend an hour a weekday to visit her godson in Atlantis, she could spend at least half an hour trying to find a willing host for her friend, Fate, to help out both a man she clearly respected and her friend on the Team. And I could have missed it, but I don't think we've seen a bit of it even hinted, other than...I think it was Superman mentioning that she had made noises about trying to continue the search, but nothing from her since then.
If I missed or am forgetting something, please let me know.
Honestly, I think Zatanna should be searching too, to free her dad, but between the aforementioned madness and being a teenager, not making the best choices is understandable.
Now, with all of that being said, I'm hopeful that there's been a lot of that going on behind the scenes. There's certainly been a lot of time that's glossed over, and more than enough of it to hide an international magician search. It'd be a bit of a copout, but I've seen stories do that kind of thing, to take the audience by surprise.
But as it is, even with how distracted she is and has been, from all of the amazing things to learn about in this Rusting crazy world...I'm disappointed in her.
No one else brought up the coercion bit because Ferris expressed knowledge that Zatara was Fate's new host, so she was clearly okay with it, and they didn't want to start an awkward argument after fate & Ferris had saved the flipping world.
Ferris thinks (as was at least once mentioned when Fate mentioned having just come from speaking with Zatanna) that Zee is still seeing Zatara outside the Helmet occasionally, and is assuming that there is searching going on still.
She's dealing with getting her mobility back, physical therapy, and trying to work with the Team in between and again, plus she's picked up enough responsibilities -- teaching government magic lessons, Prince Artur's godmother, her existing experiment series, working with the new members of the Team, mission ops -- that she's semi-consciously assuming other people have it under control.
She's also assuming that Zatara will be Fate's main body for a while, like a year or two, because this is a major thing and it'll take time to train new apprentices, time which Fate doesn't have because he's dealing with years' worth of mystic backlog plus Light bullshit.
These aren't new character traits for her: Ferris has shown a tendency to occasionally run with incorrect assumptions and to be distracted from some topics of importance by mystic "Shiny!" every now and again.
She hasn't noticed how well or poorly Zatanna is holding up, because Zee has been keeping Renka at arm's length, and Renka isn't the type to go, "Okay, yes her dad is Fate, but she still sees him occasionally, I do not deserve to be treated as distantly as she treats me so we're going to sit down and talk out her problem with me." Renka's the type to let her own siblings hate her because she thinks she deserves it, and in light of that she thinks Zatanna is handling her emotional discord very maturely.
There's a point - like, at the one-year-anniversary - where Ferris would press Fate about, "how is the search for apprentice candidates going? I think I could take over tutoring anyone promising in some spare, and there are X people you might want to look at in my government lessons," but we haven't hit that yet because Renka respects how busy Fate is and she's been trying to get her own life together.
In short, I'm afraid the theme of small mistakes & oversights occasionally crashing together in bigger ways isn't exclusively something she inflicts on her enemies.