La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

[NoxOfUmbra]

We are suffering from success

 

[Daedwartin]

Also, The Spanish Crown is currently in Mexico. They basically creating the New Spanish Empire in a Code Geass-like move of abandoning the homeland after we invaded.

Spain itself is now a Battle Royale. Including regional independent movements, republican revolutionaries, peasant revolts, Carlists lead by the actual Don Carlos, theocratic rule supports(with a preference for the Pope as theocrat), probably a random british army...and us in the middle.

Notably Missing: The actual Spanish Army. Mostly because they are in the NW.

 

[The Game]

I wouldn't be surprised if The War of the Second Coalition turns into The Scramble for Spain once the Austrians and Prussians have been knocked out of the war.

Britain: We cannot let the French gain so much territory!
France: We cannot let the British get a foothold on the continent!
Portugal: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Magoose]

Considering how the last Rolls involving Robby went, I predict further Bullshit from that Direction sooner or later.

Other then that, I hope the Dice Gods will continue to have mercy on our Quester-Souls.

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They won't if I have anything to say about it, I want you all to suffer a little bit...

Whether it be emotionally... physically (again) or psychologically (Again)

I am really hoping the dice will be able to hurt you.

To explain this:

We had a Choice on where to go when we finished conquering Sicily on our way to Egypt. We chose to go back to France, because from what we heard shit was going down there (which it was). But one Choice, an Offer made by an Ambassador from Alexander I., was to come to Russia and aid him against his Father in the Civil War he was fighting.

Now, that offer WAS made in good faith at the time. Only Problem is...the Rolls of the next Rumor Mill ended with Alexander winning the Civil War and then promptly joining the Second Coalition against France. Meaning that if we had gone there, we would've been stranded in Enemy Territory.

One Option then would've been to agree to marry Alexander I. Which would've been an instant Game Over, since we would've been a glorified broodmare, nothing more.
The other Option? Flexing on friggin Xenophon himself and fighting our way wuth our Army back to France over land.

However, since we did not go to Russia back then, that's not THAT important.

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We had planned for it... only because of the outside chance we would actually you know... do it.

Also, The Spanish Crown is currently in Mexico. They basically creating the New Spanish Empire in a Code Geass-like move of abandoning the homeland after we invaded.

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And they are being competent...

Spanish Empire and Competent... Two words you never hear together.

Spain itself is now a Battle Royale. Including regional independent movements, republican revolutionaries, peasant revolts, Carlists lead by the actual Don Carlos, theocratic rule supports(with a preference for the Pope as theocrat), probably a random british army...and us in the middle.

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We have:

Regional independence revolts in Catalonia, Galacia, and Northern Castile.

Republican movements are based out of Madrid, Saville, and Barcelona.

Peasent revolts in the countryside.

Carlists (They are fighting the Republicans)

Theocrats based out of Granada.

The Brits are actually bunkering up in Gibralter fearing a massive wave of attacks against the fortifications.

One Spanish Army Desperately holding on Near Leon, trying to set up a safe zone for the twenty thousand refugees trying to get into the city.

Notably Missing: The actual Spanish Army. Mostly because they are in the NW.

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One Spanish army that remembered their oaths to Spain itself stayed behind instead of Abandoning Spain Proper. trying it;s best to keep Spain from falling into complete Anarchy, and stopping the British from all but conquering the nation.

I wouldn't be surprised if The War of the Second Coalition turns into The Scramble for Spain once the Austrians and Prussians have been knocked out of the war.

Britain: We cannot let the French gain so much territory!
France: We cannot let the British get a foothold on the continent!
Portugal: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

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Britan won't be able to spend any resources in Spain, because the New World just became Hot as the Spanish are all but saying "Give us back the Islands, or else"

France is the only nation that can put their foot down and get Spain under control.

 

[Temes1066]

Also, The Spanish Crown is currently in Mexico. They basically creating the New Spanish Empire in a Code Geass-like move of abandoning the homeland after we invaded

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And they are being competent...

Spanish Empire and Competent... Two words you never hear together.

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The thing is we don't have a clue who is behind this sudden bout of competence, after all the King of Spain at the time is Charles El Cazador and first minister is Manuel de Godoy.

Additional proof that Charles was not behind this move is the fact that the Carlists under Charles' second son Don Carlos are still in Spain, but why would Charles leave this son behind but bring the son he hated; Ferdinand VII with him.

Edit: Assuming the Carlists lose the civil war in Spain, then all of the members of the House of Bourbon will have lost their thrones in Europe.

 

[AvidFicReader]

Rolling out the (Red) Carpet

Ensign Louis Charles Capet stood on the walls of Fort Tenaglia, peering through his spyglass at the Austrian siege camp. Here he stood with the two battalions of riflemen of the Imperial Guard. With Fort Tenaglia the centerpiece of the Austrian siege, General Massena had concentrated the bulk of his army in its defense. As the situation stood, there were more men than could man the battlements at any given time. With Massena's fighting retreat from Milan, both armies had been bled out, though the Austrians maintained numerical superiority. The arrival of the Army of Naples shifted the balance in favor of the French, and if the flanking attack went as expected, it would dive the Austrians from the field. Even if surprise was lost, the battle-hardened men of the Army of Naples, Le Corps d'Acier Trempe, would carry the day. General Davout was an excellent and proven commander, and Generals Murat and Severin were experts in the employment of cavalry and infantry, respectively. General Berthier, while not renowned as a battlefield commander, had kept the army well stocked and provisioned, and the fried onions that the Guard had broken their fast with granted them renewed elan.

Humming slightly under his breath, Louis surveyed the Austrian siege camp. They had pushed Massena's men out of the first line of defenses, but encamped beyond them to stay out of rang of supporting fire from the battlements of Fort Tenaglia. Eyeballing the range and the wind blowing through the grass and shrubs, Louis estimated he could land shots into the camp, but with no chance of hitting anything he aimed at. If he was going to make a difference, then it wouldn't be from here. Scanning northwards, to where the rest of the army was to be marching, Louis could see no indication through the trees. Hopefully, it would be the same for the Austrians, and the Guard could spear into the Austrian flank unopposed. Unlikely, but perhaps there was some way to tip the scales more in favor of the French?

"What are you scheming Louis? You got that look on your face, like when Therese landed at Palermo."

"What makes you say that Charlie?"

"You know you can't lie to me, bro! You got something cooking in that head of yours?"

"Who's scheming what now, baguette boys? Would Charlotte approve? You know she wants you to stay safe and whole for when she sees you again."

The two younger boys ignored the slur, while Louis considered the older boy. Julian Minci had thrown himself into training; conditioning, shooting, marching, and bayonet drills. And after Charlotte had said her goodbyes, he had redoubled his intensity. Even with only a month's training, Julian still had a couple years' growth on him, taller, broader and stronger than Louis, even with a year's training and campaigning under his belt. Louis was still the better shot, but only the best marksmen in the rifle battalions were his match at this point.

"Charlotte is in greater peril than I, right now. She's in the belly of the beast, so to speak, with two guards. They might be two of the scariest sons of bitches in Europe, but there's only two of them."

"Language! What would your sister say?"

"You're one to talk, pasta boy!"

"So what's your plan, Louis? You didn't tell us yet!"

"Well, there's too many soldats to all man the battlements, and even our rifles won't be able to do much from here unless the Austrians lose their minds and try to storm the walls."

"And? You want to do something, right?"

"Take a look at the Chasseurs, they got all fired up at breakfast, now they're stuck here, where there's no action. Generals Murat and Severin are leading the army in from the north, and whether they take them by surprise or not, they're going to win. It's just a matter of how long and at what cost. But we have a chance to bring that cost down. You've seen how good the chasseurs are, if we use them right, we can distract the Austrians from the south and draw off a part of their army. It'll make the fight easier for them. You want to help your father, right Charlie?"

"But don't we have orders to stay here? Papa- the General- said that following orders is paramount. What if we mess up the plan, or we draw off too strong a force? No one wants you to die, Louis! I don't want you to die!"

"I- I'm not planning to die Charlie."

"You promise? You better remember what papa said about promises, Louis!"

"Remember your promise to Charlotte as well, Louis."

"F-fine! Charlie, Julian, I promise I'm not trying to get myself killed."

"Pinky promise!"

"What?"

"It's what mama made papa do when they promised to be best friends forever. Every time he leaves home, she makes him do that, then they make kissy faces. So pinky promise! No need for kissy faces, though!"

"All right, Charlie, pinky promise, I'm not trying to get myself killed."

"Good! Remember, you promised!"

"And when you make a promise-"

"-you keep it!"

"Kissing... with Charlotte?"

"Julian, stop thinking about kissing my sister!"

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"So that's the plan, majors. We head through the gate to the south, the-"

"Porto degli Angeli."

"-Right, thank you Julian, the Porto degli Angeli, and swing north. We set up along one of the hillsides and use a company of skirmishers to harass the Austrians and lure them into rifle range. We go for the fanciest hats to sow confusion in their ranks, and they'll move to chase us off. We pick off their officers, get them riled up into a blind pursuit, and we bound from cover to cover, picking them apart. With our blue uniforms, we should blend better into the shadows than their whites. If ammunition permits, we can repeat the tactic to draw off more of their reserves. It should work to distract them while the rest of the army smashes their left flank in, and all that's left is the butcher's work."

"Sounds good."

"Let's do it."

"You don't have any problems following an ensign's plan?"

"To be honest, I was only a freshly promoted sergeant before I became a major. I learned chasseur tactics alongside the soldats from General Severin, back when he was still a captain."

"Same, but I was still a corporal. I remember he took my pack and musket and did obnoxious sergeant things to shut up a complaining soldat on the march to Mayence."

"Besides, even if you're an ensign, everyone knows you're General Severin's protege."

"An you're La Generale's ward. And since she's now the Empress, I guess that makes you a prince?"

The irony of the statement is not lost on Louis, but he files it away for pondering on after the battle.

"Well, I suppose it's true in both cases, and Charlie and I did learn chasseur tactics from the... person that taught General Severin..."

"Well there you have it. Three times the endorsement, right there. Let's get a move on before the rest of the army takes all the glory!"

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"All right, this hill seems good. Lightly wooded, but plenty of individual cover. Men, spread out, keep to cover. Use rocks and fallen trees to form barricades only if you have to. This will be our fallback position. I'll take the other battalion and set up a layered defense, like an onion! Then we'll poke the hornet's nest."

"For the onions!"

"No onions for those Austrian dogs!"

"We'll be waiting to give them hell, Ensign!"

"Never underestimate the power of onions, I suppose. Let's get to work!"

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Louis peered down his rifle's sights, centering on the fanciest hat he could make out from the edge of the tree line. It was agreed he would make the first shot to signal the rest of the company to fire, starting the pursuit. As he applied pressure to the trigger, the flint snapped forward, showering sparks into the primer, sending the ball downrange with a crack of black powder. The officer collapsed, his fancy hat fluttering to the ground as the head it rested on was suddenly snapped to the side. A hundred other rifles cracked out, a hundred men falling as confusion reigned in the Austrian camp.

A great clamor arose, soldier and camp follower alike running around like chickens with their head cut off. Louis didn't stick around to watch, bounding deeper into the trees with a shout of "Come get some, schnitzel eaters!" hurled over his shoulder.

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"That's... a lot more than we expected."

"Thank you, captain obvious."

"Ah, a promotion! You shouldn't have, Louis!"

"Not now, Charlie! We must have gotten a big fish to warrant such a response."

"Looks like they outnumber us, maybe five to one."

"Louis, didn't General Baguette say that you need a three to one advantage to dislodge defenders?"

"That may be true, but that's when all else is equal. We have the advantage of accuracy, range, cover, concealment, and mobility. They're sitting ducks in white uniforms in the woods, they're armed with smoothbore muskets, and they're all bunched up. They'll need more than what they've brought to wipe us out."

'Brace, aim, fire!'

The crack of rifles and the flash and smoke of powder ring through the woods. The first rank of white-uniformed Austrians collapse like marionettes with their strings cut, only the press of bodies keeping the advance going. All the Austrians see is dark shapes bounding between the trees, obscured by intermittent flashes and smoke. The men look to their officers for guidance, only to see them collapse before their eyes, then trampled underfoot as the press of bodies forces them forward into certain death.

Occasionally, a brave or foolish soldier will fire blindly into the trees and smoke, usually hitting nothing but timber, but a lucky few elicit screams. The blind fire continues, only the knowledge that they are fighting men, rather than ghosts, enough to keep the flagging Austrian advance going.

"Fucking Frogs, get out here so we can kill you!" Cries that echo from hundreds of throats in a half-dozen languages are met with derisive laughter and return fire, laying out a carpet of bloodstained white further and further up the hillside. After all, frogs are ambush predators, sitting still and unseen before striking out of nowhere, then bounding away to lie in wait again.

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"Louis, I'm almost out!"

"Same here!"

"We're almost at the fallback point, they'll give us cover fire, then we do a bounding withdrawal!"

Following words with action, Louis fires his last bullet, dashing from cover to cover as musket balls crack into timber above his head. The Austrians, noticing the lack of fire and darting shadows, muster up their courage for one last charge, screaming profanities and leading with gleaming bayonets. As they break into a brief clearing, they are greeted with a deafening volley. Then another. And another. Then the flanks of their advance come under fire, and at this point, they have had enough. They turn and run, following the carpet of white-clad bodies back down the hill. Their flanks are harassed by intermittent fire, and then they are overtaken and run down from behind.

Only a few hundred men make it off the hill, witness to an even great scene of slaughter. French infantry storms into the camp from the north, as French cavalry runs amok in the rear. There is no victory to be had today. Many collapse where they stand, while more flee into the countryside, chased by cheers and jeers in French.

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Louis, Charlie, Julian and hundreds of other tired chasseurs lean against trees, watching the French army run riot through the Austrian camp.

"Victory. Total and complete victory."

"How much harder do think it would have been if the schnitzel eaters had another ten thousand men to throw into the teeth of the army?"

"It wouldn't have stopped papa or mister horsey, but it would have taken more time, and more of them might've gotten away."

"They were calling us frogs and fleas. Pests and plagues from Exodus."

"And they were the ones doing most of the dying. Frogs strike from ambush like lightning, then leap clear to do it again. Fleas can leap all over the place, biting and fleeing, and they're impossible to swat. I'll take it as a badge of honor. Didn't I say, Julian? Five to one wasn't enough to take us?"

"You were right, Louis. I guess you meant your promise after all."

"Yes... I suppose I was. I... have a letter to write. After we report back to General Davout.

"Aye, aye, Ensign Grenouille!

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Spoiler: A/N

Part two of the Battle of Genoa! French light infantry wore dark blue uniforms, like the line infantry, but with different facings. Austrian infantry wore white. In the shadows of a forest, you can guess who has the camouflage advantage. Severin learned light infantry tactics from his wife Evelyn, who learned it firsthand fighting the British in Virginia during the American Revolution. Evelyn was also the marksmanship and tactics instructor for Louis and Charlie while in Toulon, training which they shared with Julian on the road north.

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On the map here, you can see where the Porto degli Angeli is in relation to Fort Tenaglia. I also spent more time and words than I expected getting Louis to convince his friends to disobey orders, then explain why higher ranked officers would follow a ten-year-old on an unsanctioned mission. Also the chasseurs adopted the name Frog (Grenouille) and Flea (Puce) as their battalion names, coming from derisive epithets from their enemies which they took on as a point of pride.

I switched to random Austrian soldier perspective for the middle of the battle to show how demoralizing and terrifying it can be for line infantry, mostly conscripts, to fight light infantry on their chosen battlefield with their chosen tactics.

 

[Magoose]

The thing is we don't have a clue who is behind this sudden bout of competence, after all the King of Spain at the time is Charles El Cazador and first minister is Manuel de Godoy.

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Well lets just say that Charles of Spain is someone who is behind his father leaving Spain.

Mostly because what he said broke the king into literally abandoning spain.

Reasons: He basically spelled out that the British were using them as meat shields while the British Royal Navy was conquering their territory in the New World. The territory that was richer, had the potential to be more prosperous, and greater then the Old World Ever Could, but he and all the other men of the Spanish Crown had used it to loot and become decadent in wealth and inflation.

That being, the New World should have been the Golden Empire it could have been, under a crown that would fit an Empire. Instead, it is a backwater, shitty and underdeveloped, ripe for a revolution that will destroy everything that makes Spain a Great Power...

They can prevent it, if they abandon the old world, for the New. Sacrifice their homeland, for the possibility of an empire to be stronger and more prosperous than the British.

Unfortunately, he thought it would send him to the New World to Play Emperor in Mexico.

Instead, he was left in Spain... and everything fell apart with his brother... who jumped ship immediately afterward to the new world so that he could get some title in Chille.

Basically, King Charles left Don Carlo with a situation that would be impossible to manage, because Carlo could be at least trusted to do something right.

Additional proof that Charles was not behind this move is the fact that the Carlists under Charles' second son Don Carlos are still in Spain, but why would Charles leave this son behind but bring the son he hated; Ferdinand VII with him.

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Lets just say that Ferdinand, seeing the chance to pretty much be a king in Chille... cooled off a little bit.

that his father has basically exiled him to South America also kinda makes things... difficult.

Edit: Assuming the Carlists lose the civil war in Spain, then all of the members of the House of Bourbon will have lost their thrones in Europe.

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Which would be very nice.

If it were not for other assholes who might claim the thrones who are worse.

Rolling out the (Red) Carpet

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+10 to the rolls.

 

[Magoose]

We are suffering from success

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I mean... I'm not saying you are... but you are.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

"Aye, aye, Ensign Grenouille!

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...Wait a second...is that who I think it is?!

 

[Neige9]

For the army reform, we should expand the gendarmerie (military police) if we create a military justice code. It can be use to control the army but also use for riot control and protect the public order.

 

[Magoose]

And something to note:

The Spanish Civil War is a humanitarian crisis the likes of which this Timeline has never faced before.

Hope you are ready for a Vietnam if you or napoleon decide to keep moving to spread your influence in the region

 

[065tdsa]

And something to note:

The Spanish Civil War is a humanitarian crisis the likes of which this Timeline has never faced before.

Hope you are ready for a Vietnam if you or napoleon decide to keep moving to spread your influence in the region

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Spain never merited the investment Napoleon put into it OTL and we don't really have a reason to bother either. Just propping up a few separatist groups and leaving the rest alone should do, since we know better than to try to control the entire continent's economy as ploy against Britain when just making a navy would be literally cheaper.

 

[EzordCyborg45]

One Spanish army that remembered their oaths to Spain itself stayed behind instead of Abandoning Spain Proper. trying it;s best to keep Spain from falling into complete Anarchy, and stopping the British from all but conquering the nation.

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A point of interest if we want to continue conquering Spain. Might want to contact them and see if we can strike an accord.

Britan won't be able to spend any resources in Spain, because the New World just became Hot as the Spanish are all but saying "Give us back the Islands, or else"

France is the only nation that can put their foot down and get Spain under control.

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An opportunity where we have essentially a free hand in Spain is nothing to scoff at as long as we do something to secure our investment.

 

[Magoose]

A point of interest if we want to continue conquering Spain. Might want to contact them and see if we can strike an accord.

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I'm just opening up a single point of interest where you can... get into Spain.

Whether you ask the Army of Spain to continue with it's objectives remains to be seen, ordered or otherwise continued.

An opportunity where we have essentially a free hand in Spain is nothing to scoff at as long as we do something to secure our investment.

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Indeed.

Problem is, we need to secure our investment, and Spain doesn't have a navy we can steal to do that.

 

[fasquardon]

The thing about the Rock is, without an engineer corps, a god-tier commander who is willing to destroy a generation of men, naval superiority or traitors within the Enemy's ranks.

THat Rock is not falling.

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A land siege could also dislodge Britain from the rock. Now the problem is keeping that siege up for a few years and not losing the rest of the war.

Gibraltar isn't invincible. Or even as hard to take as you imply here.

It's just that Gibraltar is strong enough that combined with all of Britain's other advantages, any time an enemy got close to overwhelming the fortress in our history, it was too late. They'd already lost the war elsewhere or been fought to exhaustion and the fortress stood.

No fortress is invincible, but when a fortress is strong enough to be a stubborn so-and-so, all you need is a little favorable strategic context or a little luck and it can appear invincible.

The way the Brits are rolling, Gibraltar might not be too hard to take. But of course, if the dice choose to favour Britain again, the rock would be an epic place for that to happen, so probably best not to tempt it before we have to.

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[Magoose]

A land siege could also dislodge Britain from the rock. Now the problem is keeping that siege up for a few years and not losing the rest of the war.

Gibraltar isn't invincible. Or even as hard to take as you imply here.

It's just that Gibraltar is strong enough that combined with all of Britain's other advantages, any time an enemy got close to overwhelming the fortress in our history, it was too late. They'd already lost the war elsewhere or been fought to exhaustion and the fortress stood

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That is true, but taking the Rock is still a massive undertaking that will cost lives and equipment that can be ill afforded to be lost.

No fortress is invincible, but when a fortress is strong enough to be a stubborn so-and-so, all you need is a little favorable strategic context or a little luck and it can appear invincible.

The way the Brits are rolling, Gibraltar might not be too hard to take. But of course, if the dice choose to favour Britain again, the rock would be an epic place for that to happen, so probably best not to tempt it before we have to

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Well the problem is, Prefidious Albion is trying to use Proxies to destroy our influence abroad… and we don't have many friends.

But then again, this Albion isn't keen on making many either… what with their blatant moves to sow chaos all over the Western World so they can profit from it.

 

[Magoose]

Cyber just came up with a very interesting situation for Mainland Spain if the civil war goes on to long or no one wins…

Prepare for… a very poingient reference to one of my favorite poems… if Spain continues to roll crit fails.

And a reference to TNO if it does that 3 times in a row.

 

[Night_stalker]

The way the Brits are rolling, Gibraltar might not be too hard to take. But of course, if the dice choose to favour Britain again, the rock would be an epic place for that to happen, so probably best not to tempt it before we have to.

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So we don't bother. Get a detachment to at least keep them somewhat penned in, rotate on occasion to alleviate boredom, and wait. We can't break the Royal Navy resupply operations.

So we don't bother. That's good men and ships tied down there, and we can afford a minor blocking force.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

And a reference to TNO if it does that 3 times in a row.

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If that happens, I shall write a new Super Event: The Spanish Anarchy.

 

[ThatGuyWithIdeas]

And a reference to TNO if it does that 3 times in a row.

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If the situation in Spain does devolve that badly... what should we expect to happen? The Granada theocrats becoming expies of the National Redemption Front? The British coopting a Republican group or a peasent revolt in a similar manner to the Burgundians and their infiltration of the Asturian Workers' Battalions?

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

If the situation in Spain does devolve that badly... what should we expect to happen? The Granada theocrats becoming expies of the National Redemption Front? The British coopting a Republican group or a peasent revolt is a similar manner to the Burgundians and their infiltration of the Asturian Workers' Battalions?

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My Guess? Spain descends into Anarchy and the very Idea of Spain as a Nation (in Mainland Spain at least) dies forever.

 

[fasquardon]

So we don't bother. Get a detachment to at least keep them somewhat penned in, rotate on occasion to alleviate boredom, and wait. We can't break the Royal Navy resupply operations.

So we don't bother. That's good men and ships tied down there, and we can afford a minor blocking force.

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It depends how our navy does I think and what our needs going forward are.

In different scenarios, a French held Gibraltar could become more necessary (and thus the fort worth paying the price to take) or more easy (if the RN gets into serious trouble, Gibraltar becomes very tenuous), or it could be kinda irrelevant to us.

We'll have to see how things go.

And a reference to TNO if it does that 3 times in a row.

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Speak not its name lest the HoI mod brain rot infect you!

Anyway.

Names for Spaniards with half a braincell: Alejandro Malespina had some interesting ideas for reforming the Spanish empire that I think had promise. He was also competent as a naval officer with some promise, had Godoy not destroyed him.

Aranda is somewhat conservative, but capable.

Floridablanca is getting old, but has a sound head on his shoulders, is capable and has good ideas.

Godoy is pure evil, and for Spain to be doing so well, something bad must have happened to him. I would suggest he's either had a fatal accident, or Aranda and Floridablanca have overcome their rivalry long enough to cooperate against him (in OTL Godoy was able to get Aranda to help him push Floridablanca out of power, then pushed Aranda out of power to become Charles IV's prime minister himself).

Oh! And there are some very fun people in the Jesuit missions in what is now Paraguay, though none whose names I can remember now.

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[Magoose]

So we don't bother. Get a detachment to at least keep them somewhat penned in, rotate on occasion to alleviate boredom, and wait. We can't break the Royal Navy resupply operations.

So we don't bother. That's good men and ships tied down there, and we can afford a minor blocking force.

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We could not be the ones who take the fort… it could be the Spanish madlads that decide that British forces in Spain need to die.

If that happens, I shall write a new Super Event: The Spanish Anarchy.

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A Spanish civil war event would also be cool.

If the situation in Spain does devolve that badly... what should we expect to happen? The Granada theocrats becoming expies of the National Redemption Front? The British coopting a Republican group or a peasent revolt in a similar manner to the Burgundians and their infiltration of the Asturian Workers' Battalions?

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To all the fronts… expect some anarchistic groups, royalists, bonapartists begging France to inervine and a republic that may actually function, like the USA.

My Guess? Spain descends into Anarchy and the very Idea of Spain as a Nation (in Mainland Spain at least) dies forever.

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At very least the concept of a unified Spanish nation.

a confederation of regions may be possible.

It depends how our navy does I think and what our needs going forward are.

In different scenarios, a French held Gibraltar could become more necessary (and thus the fort worth paying the price to take) or more easy (if the RN gets into serious trouble, Gibraltar becomes very tenuous), or it could be kinda irrelevant to us.

We'll have to see how things go.

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I'm not saying the Royal Navy can find itself in some deep shit because the Americans decide they want to fuck some shit up… but shit can get fucked up.

Speak not its name lest the HoI mod brain rot infect you!

Anyway

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Hey I like the mod for the sheer absurdity of it. It's why alt history is so fun for me.

Names for Spaniards with half a braincell: Alejandro Malespina had some interesting ideas for reforming the Spanish empire that I think had promise. He was also competent as a naval officer with some promise, had Godoy not destroyed him

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We'll he's now admiral of the New Spain fleet and he is very much trying to push some reforms to make the fleet a force to face the RN.

Aranda is somewhat conservative, but capable

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He's actually first minister.

Floridablanca is getting old, but has a sound head on his shoulders, is capable and has good ideas

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He's governed of Venezuela

Godoy is pure evil, and for Spain to be doing so well, something bad must have happened to him. I would suggest he's either had a fatal accident, or Aranda and Floridablanca have overcome their rivalry long enough to cooperate against him (in OTL Godoy was able to get Aranda to help him push Floridablanca out of power, then pushed Aranda out of power to become Charles IV's prime minister himself

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Godey got killed by Ferdinand when he… well let's just say Ferdinand decided that asshole was more useful as a corpse then as a man who is alive.

yes Ferdinand did something competent… a rare sentence indeed.

 

[Alexander Sturnn]

bonapartists begging France to inervine

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May I suggest THIS Guy as a possible Leader for such a Bonapartist-Faction in Spain?

Tomas Vivar

Tomas Vivar was the Count of Mouromorto, and the elder brother of Major Blas Vivar. He was one of the minority of Spanish citizens who became anfrancesados, who supported Napoleon's invasion of Spain. He believed in the ideals of the French revolution, and supported the scientific age, and held...

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[Sivantic]

Both the British and the Spanish are about to cause problems in the Caribbeans right? The tropical islands? The tropical islands with intermittent storms?

Well...

Reward: Therese, Dumas, and Kléber Gain Trait:

The Stormrunner!: They claimed it was impossible. But you have a knack for doing the impossible. From Storms to Hurricanes, to the most brutal of weather the world throws at you, you can do battle with little trouble fighting in conditions that should otherwise be impossible for any sane commander. (Suffer no maluses when fighting or commanding in inclement weather like rain, snow, blizzards, sandstorms, etc.)

The Amphibious Frogs: The actions taken at your victory at Palermo and its immediate aftermath have unofficially made you one of the foremost experts on amphibious invasions in all of Europe. The kings and Emperors of Europe now fear their coastlines having a French Fleet beyond them, with you leading the Vanguard for an invasion that they can only barely predict. (When Amphibiously invading, you will gain a +10 to all rolls when the invasion is known, and an additional +30 if the invasion is unknown by the Enemy defenders.)

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Now Thérèse is a bit busy managing the nation, but Dumas and Kléber might be free. Is there a possibility of sending them off at some point to assist and practice their techniques?