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Morathi: "I'm the best dark mage ever."
Nagash exists.
Morathi: "I'll ignore that."
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Nagash exists.
Morathi: "I'll ignore that."
If you think about it, Nagash got 'help' from three (3) druchii one time which means everything he ever did is nothing but the logical extension of Morathi's wise teachings.
Just please don't ask her to actually replicate it.
Is there any information about how a ghost created with the help of Nehekhara necromancy will differ from what ordinary necromancers can do?
Judging by what I have caught, this process involves a slow cultivation of the spirit and probably it is not as traumatic for him as ordinary necromancy.
Judging by what I have caught, this process involves a slow cultivation of the spirit and probably it is not as traumatic for him as ordinary necromancy.
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Personally, the way I see Malekith is that he's not quite the best at any category, but he's in, like the top 10-20 range in all of them.
He's not the best Mage ever... just one of the best, able to crush a Greater Daemon magically and bind N'kari, the greatest of the Keepers of Secrets. Not to mention Teclis at the Battle of the Finuval Plains acknowledged that he had zero chance against Malekith without the trick with the Flames of Asuryan. He's not Tyrion when it comes to swordsmanship, but y'know, he can get into melee with N'kari and hold his own. Sure, he loses to Imrik in a dragonback duel, but any of the other Caledorians that come after him get swatted out of the sky.
He can't out-wizard Teclis, out-fight Tyrion or out-ride Imrik... but he can snap Teclis in half, feed Tyrion to Seraphon and blast Imrik with Doombolt.
He's not the best Mage ever... just one of the best, able to crush a Greater Daemon magically and bind N'kari, the greatest of the Keepers of Secrets. Not to mention Teclis at the Battle of the Finuval Plains acknowledged that he had zero chance against Malekith without the trick with the Flames of Asuryan. He's not Tyrion when it comes to swordsmanship, but y'know, he can get into melee with N'kari and hold his own. Sure, he loses to Imrik in a dragonback duel, but any of the other Caledorians that come after him get swatted out of the sky.
He can't out-wizard Teclis, out-fight Tyrion or out-ride Imrik... but he can snap Teclis in half, feed Tyrion to Seraphon and blast Imrik with Doombolt.
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Mopman43
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Not really. Nehekhara doesn't have any free ghosts, souls are either tied to War Statuary or their own corpses, or trapped in a Casket of Souls.
I don't think we're actually making him into a ghost, just binding his soul to his bones in the tomb we're making. I don't think he'll actually be, conscious or anything.
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I don't think we actually know any necromancy (beyond what elementary knowledge we might have picked up by osmosis), just advanced death magic (shyish). If you remember, the crab museum vote noted that we'd need assistance with animating the corpse until we learned to do it ourselves.
Though right now we're just safeguarding his soul in what's basically an artificial afterlife from what I gather, so we'll probably find out the details on his potential resurrection later.
If we are talking immediately, as in within days, his soul wouldn't have gone anywhere yet. It takes time for the soul to pass into the Aethyr, that is why the remains of the newly dead are both more carefully guarded by the priests of death gods and more sought after by necromancers.
That is why Mathilde herself was tempted by the Liber Mortis, she would have had the time to draw him back into his corpse as a wight.
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I know, I was talking about the difference between his posthumous situation and Aelsabrim's husband's.
Omegahugger
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On a completely unrelated and coincidental note "LEVER" is the Danish word for "Lives"... And also "Liver".
Hans lever lever endnu .
It is a pity that the reunion of the princess and her husband is postponed. But on the other hand, it will be more difficult to accuse her of necromancy. Because what she's doing is simply protecting her husband's soul.
Well, perhaps it will be easier for her to communicate with the deceased with the help of magic if the soul is not in the hands of the gods, but next to her in her own tomb.
Well, perhaps it will be easier for her to communicate with the deceased with the help of magic if the soul is not in the hands of the gods, but next to her in her own tomb.
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I'm a bit late with the reading. But now I'm all caught up.
Also, are we supposed to read something into Paht claiming to be from Ka-Sabar and under patronage of Bel-Aliad specifically? Beyond what Paht mentions in the chapter itself about having lived in one and tutored the claimant of the other I mean. I know that both are former Nehekharan cities now inhabited by Arabyans (no idea how that works, given Nagash's curse on Nehekhara and former cities almost definitely having former rules and former citizen who should have returned to an ambulatory state if I'm not mistaken).
TIL the word insouciance. Yet even taking that into account, I am surprised that Neferata's harbormaster (or whoever he is right now) also calls us Uncle.
For him to call us Uncle seems even more surprising. Alternatively, Paht's understanding of Lutr's ailment is not quite right yet.
I looked up what the word means (and it does what I thought it does), but I don't understand how that can be a rare specialty among people with ships. I know it's too late to vote on it, but I'm curious anyway.
You mentioned "Badi Shakim" being a fitting pseudonym. Neither Google nor Google Translate were able to enlighten me as to why. Could you shed some light?
Also, are we supposed to read something into Paht claiming to be from Ka-Sabar and under patronage of Bel-Aliad specifically? Beyond what Paht mentions in the chapter itself about having lived in one and tutored the claimant of the other I mean. I know that both are former Nehekharan cities now inhabited by Arabyans (no idea how that works, given Nagash's curse on Nehekhara and former cities almost definitely having former rules and former citizen who should have returned to an ambulatory state if I'm not mistaken).
I assume selling them to Sartosa to be laundered and sold on to Tilean and/or Estalian states caring more about outcompeting their rival states than about tracing stolen goods would not be worth the effort due to the size of the cut the Sartosan middlemen would demand? And Ind, Cathay, Nippon and beyond are too far away for anything like a trade route of foreign ships to establish itself, especially foreign ships that will make that journey anything but swiftly?
Surprising that no grieving Ulthuani were ever sufficiently tempted by anyone knowing the necromantic arts. But then again, Uncle Paht is quite a unique character and he wasn't around. Vampires are famously disinclined to share with Elves and mortal necromancers aren't something an Elf would usually take seriously. So I guess since there must always be a first time, it makes an amount of sense that said first time comes from us in particular.
I mean when you think about it Necromancy really is the perfect force multiplier for Elves, with there low breeding rates and limited manpower being able to raise the dead of your enemies to act as meat shields would be amazing
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For whatever it's worth his game stats bear this out.
Sure he's 'only' a Level 4 Wizard, but that's actually max level for Wizards in WHFB, and while there are people better than that due to specific or unique rules, they're few and far between...if we were talking Lore of Dark Magic specifically, I think it might literally only be Morathi who's better. If considering non-dark magic stuff, then in the Empire it might be only the Supreme Patriarch. The High elves have only Teclis and Alarielle. And so on.
His martial abilities, meanwhile, include WS 8, Str 5, Tou 4, Init 8, and 4 Attacks. That's probably no match for Tyrion (though it is more Str and Tou than Tyrion has, just less of the rest) or, like, a Greater Daemon, sure, but it's at least on par with almost anyone else including people like warbosses, Ogre leaders, and elder vampires. He's very scary.
I think all friendly vampires of a certain age probably call us Uncle. We're a friendly guy and unlikely to take offense to it, and it's even true from a certain perspective inasmuch as they are 'descendants' of our niece.
Omegahugger
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Considering the etymological history of the name, you could argue that there was indeed a Pahtsekhen whispering advice into Mathilde's ears at the time.
I think Paht is just one of those people everybody calls uncle. He has that kind of energy.
I bet he gave out great solstice presents.
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Yeah, elves live for a really, really long time, so they don't think about death (either their own or another's) nearly as much as humans do, who die all the time for practically any reason. Elves also don't think about necromancy as an option because no elf has really done that. It's a self correcting cycle we're about to break, yeah?
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The power of branding and first mover advantage, or like the Principle of Priority. The youngsters were late thus they had to pick a new name. :^V
Except Runes of course, the capitalization is real and valid. Accept no substitutes.
It is a perfect force multiplier for everyone, as long as you don't have to live in the resulting Dhar-infested wasteland that armies of necromantic constructs tend to leave in their wake
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Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I mean, how are we qualifying best? Morathi is probably capable of more destructive magic, but Nagash is the superior necromancer in anyone's book.
She probably can replicate most of it. Nagash's genius was inventing necromancy, but the magics themselves seem to able to be picked up by plenty of people.
Most ships are too heavy to pick up and move over land.
The Elves left the Old World just after Nagash got overthrown and only returned about 350 years ago. They haven't had much contact with necromancers. That said, IIRC, there's a lore mention of Druchii using undead to work farms. Dammed if I can remember where that mention is though.
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Oh. Turns out I didn't know what was meant after all.
She could probably replicate much of it, but I do not think she could pull off something like the Great Ritual, so the point stands, when it comes to who has done the most dark magic on an individual level and thus who could do the same in the future that is probably Nagash
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Define "destructive".
I'll buy that Morathi casts a better fireball.
But considering the kind of force multiplier necromancy provides, and how long Morathi has been holed in her stronghold, i'm not sure she would count for more destructive.