...So psycho wind hippie was best option? Damn.

It sounded like the most entertaining option, at the very least.
 
I'm sorry. This is my dumb fault.

It's fine. SV and SB have bad habits of needing to control everything in quests and the description was a shiny people couldn't turn their eyes from.

If anything, it's our fault for putting you in this situation. But I'm sure that it'll work out, even if it is the psycho sand bitch that favors us.
 
I just didn't want to leave players feeling like they had no input between 1.5 and 1.6.

SV and SB have bad habits of needing to control everything in quests and the description was a shiny people couldn't turn their eyes from.

That makes literally no sense. Investing heavily in Cecelyne is the surest way to cede control of your character as an Infernal. The moment you take Demonic Primacy of Essence, bam! New leash for literally everyone with higher essence than you have to hold. Cecelyne's whole charmset is about making everyone as miserable as possible and making Sophia's wet dreams a reality: The strong do what the fuck they want, because Cecelyne is stronger and says so.
 
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I feel bad for even suggesting this, but if we (the community) decided that we wanted to change our votes after the fact because we didn't know what we were getting into, would you allow something like that. I feel awful even suggesting it because I think it could set a bad precedent and cheapen the vote, but like you said, this is a contract between you and us, and if we all want something changed for the (hopefully) betterment of the quest, would you allow it? Sorry if this is a little rambly.
 
That makes literally no sense. Investing heavily in Cecelyne is the surest way to cede control of your character as an Infernal. The moment you take Demonic Primacy of Essence, bam! New leash for literally everyone with higher essence than you have.
I think you're underestimating the sheer ignorance of the Charm trees most people that voted have. I'd bet... 10 to 15 people, at most, knew about that. Probably 10. That's 1/3rd of the voters just counting the two leading votes.
I feel bad for even suggesting this, but if we (the community) decided that we wanted to change our votes after the fact because we didn't know what we were getting into, would you allow something like that. I feel awful even suggesting it because I think it could set a bad precedent and cheapen the vote, but like you said, this is a contract between you and us, and if we all want something changed for the (hopefully) betterment of the quest, would you allow it? Sorry if this is a little rambly.
This is just an extensions of my earlier suggestion for a GM fiat to one of the others. We need to take our lumps in some form.
 
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As a primary driver for the Cecelyne vote I'm entirely okay with Adorjan winning instead if you think that puts us in a dead end on the writing. Or adopting a variant Cecelyn charmset.

I did explicitly note that it would alarm all the precogs ever when used significantly. Though response may not be immediate, Mantellum is out there too after all.
 
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Cecelyne Charms that may have value for us if we don't want to mess with the Simurgh or interact with Malfeas:

Essence 2:

Transcendent Desert Creature
Stone Flayer Touch
Sand Through Fingers Defense
Untouchable Infinitude Reflection
Sand-Slip Trick
Scorpion Tailed Mirage Technique
Swallowed in Eternity
Dust Devil Feint

Essence 3:

Soul-Sieve Transmutation
Counter-Pronouncement of Enthymemic Law
Withered Soul Wastes
Endless Torment Emanation
Sand-Scoured Society Infliction
 
I tell you what. Are people okay with waiting to pick a favored until I parcel out a few more details of what you're working with setting-wise? At which point, if people still want Cecelyne, I'll...eh. I'll figure out how to make it work, I guess.
 
Unfortunately most people don't know or realize that most Cece and Ted charms are trap options. Or that the wishing stuff would end up eating a huge chunk of the attention.

Cece is bad for writing a story or even only playing the game.
 
Cecelyne is good for a game that takes place in Exalted. She's great for support characters. She's the only way short of an Artifact Key to get to Malfeas beyond wandering the wrong way in an empty area and hoping she's paying attention.

But most of her best utility is in combination with either TED or Malfeas.

Malfeas gives you the ability to no-sell orders from Demonic Primacy.

Teddy combines way too well with wish granting and gives you a way to retroactively no-sell mental influence.

By contrast, Adorjan has exactly 1 tree and 2 other charms that are the "caution, step warily" sort.

Wretched Hateful Noise makes you hate sound above a whisper. It compels you to bring silence. Murder is Meat negates your Compassion's applicability to mortals.
 
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Would it be possible to Homebrew or alter Cecelyne Charms so they work off of Fame Infamy or Reputation, not so much having people worship us as gaining power from leaving our mark on the world so that the more unstoppable we seem the more unstoppable we become. Feel free to ignore this if it seems like too much trouble or off theme for Cecelyne, just trying to help
 
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I tell you what. Are people okay with waiting to pick a favored until I parcel out a few more details of what you're working with setting-wise? At which point, if people still want Cecelyne, I'll...eh. I'll figure out how to make it work, I guess.
If that's how you want to do this, then we can do it that way.
Wretched Hateful Noise makes you hate sound above a whisper. It compels you to bring silence. Murder is Meat negates your Compassion's applicability to mortals.
Well, the first could be a little annoying, but I don't see how the second would be an issue at all. :V Who needs Compassion for ants? :V
Would it be possible to Homebrew Cecelyne Charms that work off of Fame Infamy or Reputation, not so much having people worship us as gaining power from leaving our mark on the world so that the more unstoppable we seem the more unstoppable we become. Feel free to ignore this if it seems like too much trouble just trying to help
Homebrewing Charms can get... involved. I'd say just skip Cecelyne instead of bogging us down.
 
Would it be possible to Homebrew or alter Cecelyne Charms so they work off of Fame Infamy or Reputation, not so much having people worship us as gaining power from leaving our mark on the world so that the more unstoppable we seem the more unstoppable we become. Feel free to ignore this if it seems like too much trouble or off theme for Cecelyne, just trying to help

That's what Isidoros does.
 
I was just throwing ideas at the wall. After all I remember hearing about a Solar who gained a cult by inventing and spreading a language that had prayers to him hidden within it and thought we may be able to do something similar that would work directly off of being well known and was trying to think of how we could make it in theme for Cecelyne. I've read up on the Yozi somewhat but have never actually played Exalted and wasn't sure how you would be treating cults, do they have to actively worship us or merely think of us often. would hero worship count. and would having any cult through any means start altering reality
 
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I don't know if people are thinking about Revlid's Elloge Charms, but they should be avoided for the exact same reason as Cecelyne's Wish Granting Charms.

For those who don't know, Elloge's charms focus on Communication, fate manipulation for the purposes of shipping and talecrafting, and the boundary between information and physical matter. Though it is possible to get a base of operations at essence 3 if one takes:

Unseen Author Assumption(Stealth Charm for making yourself beneath notice) -> Endless Echoes(A reviewing memories trance technique that apparently has training applications) -> Living Library Meditation(Lose your ability to dream because you go to a library of your memories instead when you sleep) -> Athenaeum of Inner Isolation(Your Dream Library exists in Elsewhere and you can visit it in the waking world)
 
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I tell you what. Are people okay with waiting to pick a favored until I parcel out a few more details of what you're working with setting-wise? At which point, if people still want Cecelyne, I'll...eh. I'll figure out how to make it work, I guess.

I'm okay with it. Still think Adorjan is poor synergy with SWLIHN, but theres also all the other Yozis not listed originally, if good charmsets are presented alongside.
 
That's what Isidoros does.
That isn't really in theme with Cece? More like something that would come from isidoros.
*Grumbles about noboding liking my write-in*

Edit: Though in retrospect, I totally could have gone and actually provided his charmset alongside for those who weren't familiar. I think most people would agree Taylor and Isidoros have a lot in common, personality-wise.
 
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