In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)
A Nation's Virtue
南國山河南帝居
[X] The Laurent
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- Canada
What would be the social implications of if we forfeit this duel. I mean, we've already gotten a lot of information out of this, and I imagine we'll lose some honor, but what would be the wider implications of this beyond that? How would it effect people's perception of us?
Edit: If we do forfeit, what's the most face-saving way to do so?
Edit: If we do forfeit, what's the most face-saving way to do so?
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mothematics
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Slight alteration to my vote - if we miss the swing then he's going to hit us for free, and we wish to avoid this, so if it doesn't hit then we should reduce the damage for that round.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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The Matsu requested a duel to Death. That means no Awareness, no ceremony, no "we cross swords if you don't notice me" stuff, no nothing. Is just plain, barechested Kenjutsu fight. Segawa just said it, we have no chance against a veteran, why would he think he has?
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
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Use my free raise for it.
@$!# you Kakita getting in the way of waifu
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Okay, idea. What if we use that fact to social-fu him? Like, make sure to portray this little duel of ours as being about Mariko.
As in, "If I am not truly the best duelist, then it makes sense for him to represent you. However, if I am, and I hope to prove it...and if not, there is no harm, but only help to you."
Or something like that.
As in, "If I am not truly the best duelist, then it makes sense for him to represent you. However, if I am, and I hope to prove it...and if not, there is no harm, but only help to you."
Or something like that.
mothematics
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I'd prefer if you voted to do it yourself, as the Raise is yours to spend, if it's all the same.
mothematics
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He stalked us love-mad into a forest to challenge us to a duel with only one witness. You do not social-fu in that scenario because he won't be susceptible to it. If his boss can't get him to chill then I doubt that we can just by pointing out little things like 'facts' - and this is as much for him anyway.
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
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No worries. I'm not familiar with the system, which roll needs it most?
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I was more thinking about our witness. You know, Mariko. Who doesn't want us to duel? So us saying 'Let's duel' is very much not listening to her, so providing a gloss on it for her would be rather smart, rather than going straight into the fight when she'd rather he just butt out.
mothematics
How wide is the concept of "you"?
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I edited my post.
I'd say the Attack given that we need to hit him in the first place, and there's always the option of Voiding ATN. He Voids the damage, okay, that's still average about 18 damage we just connected with - but if he ups his ATN and we miss then... we just let him get first hit.
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Um, I wasn't planning on making him chill out. I was planning on spinning our duel.
IE.
"Very well, I will duel you. In Kenjutsu. For if you truly are a stronger duelist, all the better for Mariko, and if not, all the better for Mariko. Now, let's duel."
Or whatnot. It's a variation on accept that gives a gloss to our actions, not an attempt to get him to chill out, and I have no idea how you read it as anything but.
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
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[X] Call calmly, "With kenjutsu, not iaijutsu, Kakita-san."
-[X] Draw your sword, then advance in Full Attack
-[X] Burn Void on damage
--[X] If we don't connect with him, use Void to reduce any damage taken
---[X] Use Wade Garrett's Free Raise on the Attack Roll
-[X] Draw your sword, then advance in Full Attack
-[X] Burn Void on damage
--[X] If we don't connect with him, use Void to reduce any damage taken
---[X] Use Wade Garrett's Free Raise on the Attack Roll
Typical Scorpion.
Luckily we're somewhere fairly private so there are no other witnesses to us backing down. Still, if someone comes up with a write in to save face it'd help. If I thought we could duel him and lose without being too badly injured I'd suggest that but it's not the sort of thing we can prearrange with an honorable non-Scorpion and he has too much motivation to hurt or kill.
Fact is, he's right. It is his job to be in that duel and he is much more likely to save the girl than we are.
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mothematics
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I feel like that's not really necessary is the thing. He propositioned that we duel to show who is a better fit. My vote is agreeing by consenting, and then shifting it to kenjutsu in five words. Which is also a Free Action's limit. We need a Simple Action to draw our sword.
I was concise for a reason you know?
Death duels, still begin with the traditional Iaijutsu duel, they just don't stop afterwards and go into a skirmish. So no he still has a better shot at this than we do. Sweet F****
That said. Seikawa is completely right in that the only way we can hope to win is to win the iaijutsu duel and beat her focus enough that we get enough free raises to make our katana into a k4 weapon. Which we probably won't, he probably can.
Still just giving up doesn't feel right to me. So time to play Scorpion
[x] "Ma, ma, Kakita-san, while I understand wanting to protect Doji-sama, after all there's a reason I volunteered to be her champion too. But, she knows both our skills, if you really want to go through with this, I'll oblige of course. But are you sure you want to insult her judgement this way?"
Shrug.
"I know that my life is on the line as hers, but let's say we duel here, than neither of us would be at our best for the match tomorrow, even with victory, I imagine you would make me work for it, and I wouldn't do any less for you. I wouldn't insult you like that. It all adds up you know?"
"Still, if Doji-sama agrees to this, well, I can hardly refuse you, I have my pride too."
If after all that this still goes through. Go for it. We're f*** because he should have void 3 and the only roll that matters in Iaijutsu is the focus roll (Iaijutsu/Void) but you know. We can try to de-escalate.
That said. Seikawa is completely right in that the only way we can hope to win is to win the iaijutsu duel and beat her focus enough that we get enough free raises to make our katana into a k4 weapon. Which we probably won't, he probably can.
Still just giving up doesn't feel right to me. So time to play Scorpion
[x] "Ma, ma, Kakita-san, while I understand wanting to protect Doji-sama, after all there's a reason I volunteered to be her champion too. But, she knows both our skills, if you really want to go through with this, I'll oblige of course. But are you sure you want to insult her judgement this way?"
Shrug.
"I know that my life is on the line as hers, but let's say we duel here, than neither of us would be at our best for the match tomorrow, even with victory, I imagine you would make me work for it, and I wouldn't do any less for you. I wouldn't insult you like that. It all adds up you know?"
"Still, if Doji-sama agrees to this, well, I can hardly refuse you, I have my pride too."
If after all that this still goes through. Go for it. We're f*** because he should have void 3 and the only roll that matters in Iaijutsu is the focus roll (Iaijutsu/Void) but you know. We can try to de-escalate.
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Actually, it very well could be. Matsu Heijiko says she wants Kenjutsu, Sekawa says Iaijutsu, a thousand years of tradition and law make the duel Iaijutsu.
Or... it makes the first round Iaijutsu. Then it becomes Kenjutsu until someone is dead. Chances are Heijiko would do what she could to survive the first round, then murderise the fuck out of the uppity Kakita.
That said, your vote is perfectly acceptable, and is a thing that you can choose to do. I make no comment beyond that, good or bad.
mothematics
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Then in the context of "Let's see how well you do this," we still get to plead "But Kakita-san, we wouldn't be doing it like this anyway!" Because we don't have to do iaijutsu and I don't believe the Matsu is likely to want it, barring possibly to one-up the Kakita.
As for forfeiting... We can walk back our very public acceptance of a duel to let the Kakita slight our reputation and cramp our courtly romance with Mariko, but I don't see why we should do that.
@Maugan Ra
How are called shots being handled by you?
And be way stupider than our intelligence 4 suggests. This woman took down an ogre, an ogre is equal to at least IR 2 bushi usually more if they have their school. She is flat out better at us at killing people. So playing her game at Kenjutsu is well suicidal. Iaijutsu bombing her face in so that she has enough wound penalties to not murder stomp us or Seikawa is actually the best way to go about it.
So in essence, yes we lose points with Mariko, we can make that up.
But declining to make it Iaijutsu is probably going to kill us a heck of a lot more.
And if we're dead we lose all the points.
(Actually not sure what happens if we die, reroll?)
How are called shots being handled by you?
Don't be so emotional about this. We can plead that it would be a kenjutsu not iaijutsu
And be way stupider than our intelligence 4 suggests. This woman took down an ogre, an ogre is equal to at least IR 2 bushi usually more if they have their school. She is flat out better at us at killing people. So playing her game at Kenjutsu is well suicidal. Iaijutsu bombing her face in so that she has enough wound penalties to not murder stomp us or Seikawa is actually the best way to go about it.
So in essence, yes we lose points with Mariko, we can make that up.
But declining to make it Iaijutsu is probably going to kill us a heck of a lot more.
And if we're dead we lose all the points.
(Actually not sure what happens if we die, reroll?)
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mothematics
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Honestly I'm skeptical that anything other than him kowtowing us, or getting to stomp us in a duel will satisfy him. He's clearly out of it - Mariko ordered him to knock it off and he just said "I will not." Why do you think re-framing this will work? I'm curious.
Sirrocco
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@Maugan Ra I believe it's time for an etiquette check.
Let's suppose we run things exactly as he has suggested them. We agree to the duel. We fight as well as we can, and we live, but lose. Based on this, we acknowledge to the court in the morning that Kakita Sekawa has defeated us in an honorable duel for the honour of standing as Doji Mariko's champion, and that we yield to him that honor. What are the wider social implications of this?
...because, to the rest of you, if they aren't particularly dire, I personally cannot see a downside to this, if we accept it graciously. Kakita Sekawa is right. Getting into this duel will, in fact, lead to our deaths. Having Kakita-san challenge us for the privilege and win seems like a fantastic way out of the trap for all involved with honor intact. It even dings our glory a bit, which might lower our profile, which is a Good Thing. In the meantime, we're still showing just as much willingness to defend Doji Mariko, and not shaming ourselves in her eyes, so it shouldn't actually harm our chances with her or with the Crane Question.
Let's suppose we run things exactly as he has suggested them. We agree to the duel. We fight as well as we can, and we live, but lose. Based on this, we acknowledge to the court in the morning that Kakita Sekawa has defeated us in an honorable duel for the honour of standing as Doji Mariko's champion, and that we yield to him that honor. What are the wider social implications of this?
...because, to the rest of you, if they aren't particularly dire, I personally cannot see a downside to this, if we accept it graciously. Kakita Sekawa is right. Getting into this duel will, in fact, lead to our deaths. Having Kakita-san challenge us for the privilege and win seems like a fantastic way out of the trap for all involved with honor intact. It even dings our glory a bit, which might lower our profile, which is a Good Thing. In the meantime, we're still showing just as much willingness to defend Doji Mariko, and not shaming ourselves in her eyes, so it shouldn't actually harm our chances with her or with the Crane Question.
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It won't. I fully expect it to end in a duel. The entire point of this is to make him look like a complete dick to Mariko so that when we lose we still win because we showed we cared about her feelings and thoughts while he didn't.