fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Why would she want us to get network supermancy?
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Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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[J] Well, the cultists are right about me, but I probably can't stop Kyubey from blowing up the planet if he realizes what I am and what I can do.
I do likes me my blasé deadpan.
I do likes me my blasé deadpan.
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@Alivaril, has Jade given Kanon her name yet? Is she planning to?
What Torgamous said. Also, given how closely we'll likely be working with Hotaru in the future, we might as well trust her to this extent. With Kyubey's resources, she'll likely figure out Agneyastra's nature at some point, anyway.
Did you mean a 24h reminder to see the controller's response? The Reaper meeting isn't for 6 days.
[X] Head to the middle of nowhere, drop off a letter for Kyubey, and tell Kanon where you put it.
-[X] Your soul no longer generates Grief, although this is something you'll have extreme difficulty replicating.
-[X] You were the first mana mage Kyubey ever found or experimented on. You subsequently vanished in what he'd almost certainly view as mysterious circumstances worthy of investigation, then warned him about abominations in a manner that would raise even more questions.
--[X] Yes, your name is Jade Agni.
-[X] You switched to a vastly superior artificial body (and may have accidentally formed a cult in the process). Your friends also have their own versions of it.
-[X] Your adoptive mother is an AI who could probably get admin access to every part of the the Internet if Kyubey doesn't interfere or freak out.
--[X] You understand the need for privacy, so are there any restrictions she'd prefer us to follow? Probably a good idea establish a secure channel of some kind for quick communication, though.
[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[X] Give her your name. (See why the reveal needs to be carefully managed?)
-[X] Ask about her experiences in OMG.
-[X] Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic.
[X] Now that your mana sense has improved, what do you feel from Kibonoshi?
[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
[X] Agneyastra:
-[X] Research risks and benefits of channeling each color. Has anyone succeeded at multi-color channeling?
-[x] Recommended skills for each type of color mage to learn.
-[x] Known color synergies, especially for the colors you have regular access to. (Red/Blue, Red/Black, Red/White, etc.)
What Torgamous said. Also, given how closely we'll likely be working with Hotaru in the future, we might as well trust her to this extent. With Kyubey's resources, she'll likely figure out Agneyastra's nature at some point, anyway.
Did you mean a 24h reminder to see the controller's response? The Reaper meeting isn't for 6 days.
[X] Head to the middle of nowhere, drop off a letter for Kyubey, and tell Kanon where you put it.
-[X] Your soul no longer generates Grief, although this is something you'll have extreme difficulty replicating.
-[X] You were the first mana mage Kyubey ever found or experimented on. You subsequently vanished in what he'd almost certainly view as mysterious circumstances worthy of investigation, then warned him about abominations in a manner that would raise even more questions.
--[X] Yes, your name is Jade Agni.
-[X] You switched to a vastly superior artificial body (and may have accidentally formed a cult in the process). Your friends also have their own versions of it.
-[X] Your adoptive mother is an AI who could probably get admin access to every part of the the Internet if Kyubey doesn't interfere or freak out.
--[X] You understand the need for privacy, so are there any restrictions she'd prefer us to follow? Probably a good idea establish a secure channel of some kind for quick communication, though.
[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[X] Give her your name. (See why the reveal needs to be carefully managed?)
-[X] Ask about her experiences in OMG.
-[X] Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic.
[X] Now that your mana sense has improved, what do you feel from Kibonoshi?
[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. "Worship doesn't stretch across planes", but Neph didn't mention prayers.
[X] Agneyastra:
-[X] Research risks and benefits of channeling each color. Has anyone succeeded at multi-color channeling?
-[x] Recommended skills for each type of color mage to learn.
-[x] Known color synergies, especially for the colors you have regular access to. (Red/Blue, Red/Black, Red/White, etc.)
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No and she hasn't decided yet, respectively. (Translation: If it's voted for, she's OK with doing it.)
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Alright, added. (Thought Jade giving her name was automatic after verification, since I don't think anybody voted to use a fake name.)
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I already countered Torgamous' argument since a simple digital signature solves that potential issue. While we might work closely with Hotaru in the future, that's not guaranteed. And "my adoptive mother is an AI" really isn't something we should casually reveal if it's unnecessary. Remember how Agneyastra was when we found her, and how sapient AIs are often depicted in science fiction? If we're unlucky, Hotaru might see Agneyastra's mere existence as a threat.
Nope. Exactly because it's 6 days and probably dozens of updates until the meeting, we're likely to forget about it before that. What I meant was to tell Agneyastra to remind us 24h before the meeting.
Kanon just told us that Kyubey's controller wants to communicate via dead drops.
Interesting ideas. I'll quickly check whether we've already included those questions in a previous post, and if not I'll add it to my vote as well.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[x] Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic.
-[x] Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic.
I didn't expect Kanon not recognizing Jade. Does Jade look that different from the time she said her First Law?
Why do you start with the letter? In particular we're close to Cultist-chan so if we're going to do something we can leave a letter on our way out of the PMMM plane.
Also, why mention artificial vessels? Honestly if we're going to capitalize something is not generating grief thus unable to witch out.
[] You can explain why you can't show burning Grief on your Soul Gem but it's a tale you can't give much proof of it right now: the short verion is that you don't generate Grief anymore
-[] You were the first mana mage Kyubey ever found or experimented on. You subsequently vanished in what he'd almost certainly view as mysterious circumstances worthy of investigation, then warned him about abominations in a manner that would raise even more questions.
--[] Yes, your name is Jade Agni.
-[] While away, I made a deal with a group of soul researchers to have my Soul Gem operated on so it doesn't generate Grief anymore, which also means you can't Witch anymore
--[] You intend to eventually bring their research notes on souls to help Magical Girls create a replicable way to do so but as now the fastest help you can provide is cleanin techniques
-[] Yes, you intend to go "away" again soon after you finish this chat so you doubt anybody could find you, not even Kyubey's controller
Edit: Why do we need to tell Kanon this?
[] Before finishing the chat with Kanon head to the middle of nowhere, drop off a letter for Kyubey, and tell her where you put it.
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To warn Kyubey's controller in case it's roused by seeing them. We have no intention of sharing, at least anytime soon.
Given the magnitude of what Jade wants to discuss, there's no way dead drops will work for future contact. Some method of secure real-time communication needs to be established, and Agneyastra is the easiest way to do that.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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We are trying to make sure that Kyuubey doesn't wake up and destroy the Earth.
I don't follow, why artificial vessels in particular would rouse Kyubey?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Much like bringing non-native species into New Zealand, all anomalies should be disclosed when entering Incubator territory unless we have a compelling reason not to. If we treat it as dangerous and we're wrong then Kyuubey's controller knows more about us, while if we treat something as safe and it isn't the world gets destroyed.
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They're blatantly superhuman beyond even the strongest magical girls, and have an unknown construction/composition which Kyubey's never seen before. Not to mention the various magical organs.
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Honestly, I just copied the order of the two main blocks from the chapter and didn't think about reordering them. Fixed and thanks.
Our artificial vessel is something Kyubey will notice and scan as soon as he sees us, and Hotaru needs to make sure that he won't relay that data to other incubators, which would be disastrous.
We're not telling Kanon, we're telling Hotaru so that Agneyastra can access her e-war suite without sending Kyubey into a frenzy.
For Agneyastra's hacking it's enough if Kyubey is told to treat a certain digital signature as uninteresting to his species, so there's absolutely no reason to reveal her nature as an AI.
Asking about a different way to communicate in the first message after she arranged the dead drop system seems rude. That aside, what do you want to discuss with her that we can't relay via Kyubey as soon as Hotaru has tweaked him to ignore Jade bring different? The alternative comms will pretty much arrange themselves. And Hotaru trusts no-one with contacting her without Kyubey as an intermediary, so there's no way she would make an exception for someone who just contacted her for the first time.
And I already stated why Agneyastra's nature as an AI is irrelevant for that, to which you didn't post a counter-argument.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If anything unknown would get the kybuubey's attention then all sorts of magic girl stuff would. Controller can get him to ignore it all under a blanket "Magic has all sorts of unknown effects it is not worth the energy to study all of them."
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
Formatting on the word "Black".
(Look, I was busy when he posted to the beta thread.)
It's not all that active a volcano, though. More actively lately, true, but the volume of magma in the chamber underneath Yellowstone isn't at supervolcano-levels. And, even without that, the Yellowstone volcano hasn't output any lava within recorded human history.
Damn, Aria. She's been rather busy since we last saw her, it seems.
Lol.
...Try really hard to get really depressed?
They only found it due to their own good luck. The method by which they found it should tell you a lot about how hard it is to find. I kinda doubt most people apply magic to their video games.
...Gonna have to ask you to expand on that one. Because what I think of as "infrastructure networks" are usually already at least part of lands. Roads, for example. Hell, even if you mean the Internet, that's still got a lot of physical aspects. Fiber-optics, servers, data centers, etc.
They likely didn't get a good look. Phone or traffic cameras/mics probably, so the quality was likely pretty poor.
If that's your concern, perhaps mention this expressly in the letter? Asking Hotaru's opinion directly about what might set Kyubey off is probably better than just telling her things and indirectly expecting to be told if they're likely to cause issues.
And if she can't actually get him to ignore us? We really have no idea how strong or weak her control over him is, at this point. I got the impression it had limits, and that there was some risk that he might escape her control, if he noticed it.
...Why would she, though? So long as he's not relaying that data to other Incubators, anything he learns by observing magic in action, she can disseminate to those who might benefit.
So, voting option analysis:
"You switched to a vastly superior artificial body (and may have accidentally formed a cult in the process). Your friends also have their own versions of it."
The cult likely would have formed anyways. Body swap just added to the myth rather than creating it.
-For anyone giving Hotaru data hoping to get her input on safety, I direct you to my response to Torg.
"Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic."
This seems best left to Astra. Kanon is fairly likely to be a bit...distracted, by our revealing our identity, so I think she's not the best one to ask. Plus, Hotaru might know good stuff, too.
Overall, I'm not super happy with the current options on the letter to Hotaru. I lean towards a quick explanation of where we've been (other worlds, away from Kyubey), and a request for input on how risky various things we've learned and brought from there might be to her control over Kyubey, as well as a reliable way to contact her. Dead-drops are annoying.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If that is the case then she is not worried about the QB waking up if it sees something new. So we therefore don't need to worry about that.
[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[x] Does she know any useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You've forced yourself to learn how to use Blue despite how annoying it often is, but you don't really like mental magic.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Agree. Our goal right now is to set up a more secure channel for communication, either a meeting in person or (more likely) some communications channel that she's obscured from Kyubey to a suitable degree. Attempting to communicate everything in a single message doesn't let us respond to confusion or requests for clarification. I also assume that Hotaru will know to open the message in a spot where Kyubey can't read it, but it's also better to be certain. We want a closed loop.
This is another major issue:
Classical dead-drop won't get us a reply until tomorrow, by which time we'll be occupied on Velgarth.
@Alivaril For Agneyastra: Have any Enchanters demonstrated computer-related magical capabilities that'd be able to find her supremacy thing?
[x] Head to the middle of nowhere, drop off a letter for Kyubey, and tell Kanon where you put it.
-[x] Introduce yourself as the world's first Colored Mage. You've been off-world for a while. Don't say your name where Kyubey can hear it.
-[x] You have more stuff in the vein of your earlier warning about draining the mana out of an area, plus a bunch of cool technology and magic to share.
-[x] A freebie for proof: Kyubey engineers mental illnesses into magical girl artificial vessels.
-[x] You want to help as much as you can but can't risk destabilizing her control. You would prefer to be more careful than less. What can she tell you about what's safe?
-[x] Include other contact information for yourself, in case it's safe to communicate without the whole dead drop thing.
--[x] Note that you'll only be on-planet for a little while.
Torgamous
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It's the whole point of the letter? We wouldn't be contacting her at all, and definitely not like this, if not for the possibility of our stuff waking up Kyuubey. This isn't even old information it would be reasonable to forget, it's in this update.
As far as I understand that isn't true.Can't we ask to get our reply to our email?
--[] Note that by the time the letter is read you'll likely be already off-planet and you won't return for several days
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Why do you want to tell the most powerful mind mage on the planet that we have a way off-planet? We know nothing about her.
And what is that "stuff in the vein of your earlier warning", pray tell?
And your "to share" phrasing is even worse than the default one. We aren't here to share technology, so why would you set up the expectation of that happening?
That's just unfounded speculation and could backfire spectacularly if it's a lie.
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Not that she knows of.
An attempt of a vote:
[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[X] Tell her you'll be be back to the letter topic once you've placed it
-[X] Give her your name. (See why the reveal needs to be carefully managed?)
-[X] Ask about her experiences in OMG.
-[] Who should we ask about useful Blue magic that isn't mind control? You're decent with Blue mana control and capacity, but you don't really like mental magic.
I don't want to encourage Jade's dislike of mental magic
[x] Meanwhile, prepare a letter for Kyubey's controller
-[x] Introduce yourself as the Magical Girl Colored Mage who send a warning to Kyubey about completely depleting mana from an area
--[x] You have been off-planet since your last appearance, somewhere where Kyubey's kind hasn't reached
-[x] You want to help as much as you can but you understand that keeping control of Kyubey is critical, so you want to ask what things not to do to rouse it accidentally when you reintroduce yourself to the world in about a week time
--[x] Among other things you're worried are the results on being operated on your Soul Gem, changing bodies to an artificial vessel, and your new Mom who specalizes in e-war and could probably get admin access to every part of the the Internet if Kyubey doesn't interfere or freak out
-[x] Once that's settled you'd want to help in topics like better cleansing for pyros and soul research (your own soul doesn't generate grief anymore) , for starters. Although you expect the latter would be a long term proyect.
-[x] You'll be leaving off-world after leaving this letter, you expect to return in around a week
-[x] Before ending the chat with Kanon head to the middle of nowhere, drop off the letter for Kyubey, and tell her where you put it.
The idea is more like a "declaration of intent" here, no need to promise everything now.
[X] Keep talking to Kanon.
-[X] Tell her you'll be be back to the letter topic once you've placed it
-[X] Give her your name. (See why the reveal needs to be carefully managed?)
-[X] Ask about her experiences in OMG.
I don't want to encourage Jade's dislike of mental magic
[x] Meanwhile, prepare a letter for Kyubey's controller
-[x] Introduce yourself as the Magical Girl Colored Mage who send a warning to Kyubey about completely depleting mana from an area
--[x] You have been off-planet since your last appearance, somewhere where Kyubey's kind hasn't reached
-[x] You want to help as much as you can but you understand that keeping control of Kyubey is critical, so you want to ask what things not to do to rouse it accidentally when you reintroduce yourself to the world in about a week time
--[x] Among other things you're worried are the results on being operated on your Soul Gem, changing bodies to an artificial vessel, and your new Mom who specalizes in e-war and could probably get admin access to every part of the the Internet if Kyubey doesn't interfere or freak out
-[x] Once that's settled you'd want to help in topics like better cleansing for pyros and soul research (your own soul doesn't generate grief anymore) , for starters. Although you expect the latter would be a long term proyect.
-[x] You'll be leaving off-world after leaving this letter, you expect to return in around a week
-[x] Before ending the chat with Kanon head to the middle of nowhere, drop off the letter for Kyubey, and tell her where you put it.
The idea is more like a "declaration of intent" here, no need to promise everything now.