Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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I mean, in theory, red mind control might be able to just make everyone really, really lovey-dovey instead. Not sure that's an improvement, mind...
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I mean, in theory, red mind control might be able to just make everyone really, really lovey-dovey instead. Not sure that's an improvement, mind...
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If someone is already in the mood to fight and you use red to make them lovey-dovey I would not like to see the results.
Then again another use of red mind control is insighting rebellion. We have alot of unhappy people on the other side of the jewel seed incident.
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Well, fear is an emotion.
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
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The company I work at uses this to synchronize files between computers. The program is, in fact, written in Go. So, one day, I decide to try Go, so that if I run into any bugs, I could possibly help fix them.
Ha.
Day one, and I decide that enough is enough. goto? What is this, some form of BASIC? And don't even get me started on if err != nil { return nil, err }.
I kinda doubt that Jade will be willing to start experimenting with such a thing. Her problem with Blue-based mind control isn't that it's Blue, but that it's mind control, after all.
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Gift of Tongues - casually read ancient languages, be it that of MGLN's Al-Hazard, Thedas' Elvish or One Piece's Poneglyphs.
A cornered rat is quite dangerous. Fear can backfire. Besides, Jade strongly dislikes mental manipulation, why would she taint her favorite color with such a spell?
Edit: Corned? What corned?
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Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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Is that like corned beef?
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- Belfast
Considering much of the stuff I generally end up working on is low level embedded C, Go is a significantly more intuitive language than what I normally get to play with.
Really, considering the last project I had (writing a set of drivers for an MCU to run bitwise operations so it can communicate with another set of chips... It's not very much fun.) I'm hoping I get more in this vein.
Still, this is derailing and I can't think of any Jade thoughts right now, so I'm gonna say we should drop this at least in thread.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Yeah, Red approaches are generally either buffs for allies (courage, berserk strength, etc) or save-or-lose stuff ("you are now so angry you are incapable of using any weapon or strategy more complex than charging at me with a large rock"). Unbeatable for ending fights, not so much for keeping them from starting in the first place.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Mind control is generally going to be the easiest way to beat a linker core mage without hurting them. Worked on us.
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I'd rather we just stuck to Sleep spells. That's a type of 'mind control' Jade will be perfectly happy using. (Sidhe can do whatever.)
Responding to some earlier stuff now that I have the time:
I'm mostly okay experimenting with some of your desired techniques while overchanneling/channeling—I've been adamant we should use channeling more during training for exactly that purpose.
However, I strongly recommend asking Neph about the safety of overchanneling Blue before trying it with Jade or Sidhe; there is severe potential for permanent mind alteration. This can double as asking about the safety of White and Black channeling, as well.
Still, I believe learning the techniques on your list shouldn't be a priority, due to most of them either being difficult to develop without an example, or pointless given some of the stuff we can already do. In particular, I'm not sure why you care about precog, cyberwarfare, and scrying—Neph has us covered on the precog front, and Agneyastra is likely far better at cyberwarfare/'scrying' than anything we could develop with Blue mana in a mere 3 weeks.
It's more there are multiple possibilities when you see a particular effect. Siofra moved at speeds capable of matching a Goddess; was that because of her centuries-old Ethernano organ, or was she using magic to augment herself? And if so, what kind? Haste? Reinforcement? Time acceleration? There are multiple types of haste, multiple types of reinforcement, and multiple types of time manipulation. You have to try them all to get an idea of what matches Siofra's affinities.
Furthermore, keep in mind that the spells Siofra was using were heavily biased by her utter inability to die. Hence, the Blood Plague and Fuel enchantments. Those are not necessarily good matches for her affinities—they merely needed to work to be an effectively infinite source of power.
See the above about Siofra exploiting her immortality. We're immortal, but not that kind. Our body dies when it is killed.
We lose time. Agneyastra's video will not definitively narrow down Siofra's affinities; there will be dozens of possibilities to manually check. Why spend multiple hours or days reading spell tomes and trying out basic spells, when we could just ask Neph?
Neph will give us an answer that will be far better than what could discover in a mere 3 weeks, and will likely point us towards some particularly useful spells. We can then spend our limited preparation time on actually training useful Ethernano abilities, instead of searching for them. It's efficient.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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We don't know any sleep spells and have no examples to copy from. We do know confine.
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I'd be shocked if Sleep was a difficult spell to develop when you channel Blue; it's one of the simplest things you can do. Heck, Sidhe was thinking of trying way back when Siofra's curse was discovered, though the jury's out on whether it would have worked.
Regardless, we likely do have examples in our infinite library of Ethernano tomes. It doesn't need to be mana-based version.
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Going to use this post for rolls and OH LOOK A DISTRACTION!
Interlude: State Secrets
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QM's Note: This has already happened.
President Alexander, alleged leader of the United States of America, was not having a particularly good vacation day. He didn't hold any particular grudge against the head of the FBI's Extraordinary Crime Investigative Office, Nyle Wilison, but it seemed as though the man was physically incapable of delivering good news. Alexander supposed the leader of those tasked with tracking the various magical creatures and alien agents on Earth shouldn't be blamed for their tendency to produce nothing good.
"Alright, hit me," Alexander sighed. "Just please don't tell me we have another ghoul outbreak. You know Jim can't keep the Senate's vipers off your trail if it's this soon."
"Worse," Nyle said grimly. "We think one of the alien factions finally decided to start meddling. And rather than do anything overt, they've started infecting every computer anyone has. They're preparing for something, but we don't know what."
Alexander silently cradled his head in one hand. He had enough trouble keeping track of affairs on Earth. Learning that magic, cross-dimensional aliens, and various other supernatural creatures were all real? Not only did it invalidate much of what he thought he knew about the world, but it also forced him to learn about the geopolitics of alien nations. Suffice to say it made his job much harder than he'd expected. No wonder past presidents had a tendency to age prematurely; they had to tiptoe around multidimensional juggernauts even as the kiddies on the playground shot each other with water guns filled with flaming acid.
"Fantastic. What does that entail, exactly?"
Nyle placed an unusually small set of papers atop Alexander's desk. Or maybe the president was just used to fifty-page summaries on everything in existence. Still, in this case, Alexander thought the small size was probably a bad sign.
"We believe they're using a magically-enhanced computer worm capable of infecting any electronic storage medium a suborned device is connected to. I'm afraid getting a better look at it has proven just as impossible as you'd expect from reality-warping magical space aliens. Still, we can verify that once it's been copied to a new target, the next version will be just a little larger, with the size of the increase scaling with how much information was on the last device."
Nyle smiled wryly.
"Patriots One and Three theorized that it's somehow taking an imprint of the memory and passing it on, although Patriot Two seemed to think they were, and I quote, 'Talking outta their bite-sized Linker Cores.' I believe his opinion was that any automatic imprint that detailed would take up exactly as much memory as what it was imitating. Judging by the noise, their argument had escalated to sparring by the time I left."
Not for the first time, Alexander wondered what sort of sitcom-esque office interactions went down at ECIO. Given their talent at sniffing out monitoring devices, he suspected he'd never know for sure.
"You're not here because you have a solution, are you?" Alexander asked hopefully.
Nyle shook his head.
"I'm afraid not, Mr. President. The best stopgap we've been able to find thus far involves filling up every bit of memory on a device and then outright removing its ability to connect to the Internet. The worm would rather purge itself than allow a discrepancy between displayed memory and actual storage capacity."
Alexander frowned. The last time he'd checked, computers tended to have an awful lot of junk nobody really looked at or questioned. How on Earth...?
"If it's that hard to find, then how did you manage it?"
Nyle's mouth twitched into a somewhat sheepish smile. It wasn't the first time Alexander saw it and he doubted it'd be the last.
"Magic, Sir. Magic, questionable gaming habits, and a lot of luck."
A comfortable silence arrived and had just started to unpack when it's forced out by the previous resident, Necessity.
"I know what one of us could accomplish with that much information, but what about them? The TSAB are the biggest faction around here, aren't they? I was under the impression we were too small-scale and primitive to bother with."
Nyle sighs and taps the manilla folder he left on Alexander's desk.
"There's a longer summary in there. Unfortunately, it really is dependent on what they want from us. They could accomplish anything from complete destabilization of the planet via selective 'leaking,' to blackmailing various world leaders toward a semi-peaceful assimilation, to simply manipulating world events in a favorable direction. The one bit of good news is that this much penetration means they've probably disabled our nuclear arsenals by now. We might have to deal with warfare, but mutual annihilation should be off the table by now."
"Considering their track record, I'm not sure I can agree with you on that," Alexander muttered.
Still, he did feel oddly reassured. Nobody with such advanced technology would want to turn Earth into a nuclear wasteland. Such nations supposedly tended to wipe themselves from existence, didn't they?
No, whoever was behind this operation likely knew exactly what they were doing. Alexander just hoped their goals weren't too outrageous.
Across the world, Agneyastra did not feel even the slightest urge to sneeze. This may be due to the simple fact that she couldn't.
President Alexander, alleged leader of the United States of America, was not having a particularly good vacation day. He didn't hold any particular grudge against the head of the FBI's Extraordinary Crime Investigative Office, Nyle Wilison, but it seemed as though the man was physically incapable of delivering good news. Alexander supposed the leader of those tasked with tracking the various magical creatures and alien agents on Earth shouldn't be blamed for their tendency to produce nothing good.
"Alright, hit me," Alexander sighed. "Just please don't tell me we have another ghoul outbreak. You know Jim can't keep the Senate's vipers off your trail if it's this soon."
"Worse," Nyle said grimly. "We think one of the alien factions finally decided to start meddling. And rather than do anything overt, they've started infecting every computer anyone has. They're preparing for something, but we don't know what."
Alexander silently cradled his head in one hand. He had enough trouble keeping track of affairs on Earth. Learning that magic, cross-dimensional aliens, and various other supernatural creatures were all real? Not only did it invalidate much of what he thought he knew about the world, but it also forced him to learn about the geopolitics of alien nations. Suffice to say it made his job much harder than he'd expected. No wonder past presidents had a tendency to age prematurely; they had to tiptoe around multidimensional juggernauts even as the kiddies on the playground shot each other with water guns filled with flaming acid.
"Fantastic. What does that entail, exactly?"
Nyle placed an unusually small set of papers atop Alexander's desk. Or maybe the president was just used to fifty-page summaries on everything in existence. Still, in this case, Alexander thought the small size was probably a bad sign.
"We believe they're using a magically-enhanced computer worm capable of infecting any electronic storage medium a suborned device is connected to. I'm afraid getting a better look at it has proven just as impossible as you'd expect from reality-warping magical space aliens. Still, we can verify that once it's been copied to a new target, the next version will be just a little larger, with the size of the increase scaling with how much information was on the last device."
Nyle smiled wryly.
"Patriots One and Three theorized that it's somehow taking an imprint of the memory and passing it on, although Patriot Two seemed to think they were, and I quote, 'Talking outta their bite-sized Linker Cores.' I believe his opinion was that any automatic imprint that detailed would take up exactly as much memory as what it was imitating. Judging by the noise, their argument had escalated to sparring by the time I left."
Not for the first time, Alexander wondered what sort of sitcom-esque office interactions went down at ECIO. Given their talent at sniffing out monitoring devices, he suspected he'd never know for sure.
"You're not here because you have a solution, are you?" Alexander asked hopefully.
Nyle shook his head.
"I'm afraid not, Mr. President. The best stopgap we've been able to find thus far involves filling up every bit of memory on a device and then outright removing its ability to connect to the Internet. The worm would rather purge itself than allow a discrepancy between displayed memory and actual storage capacity."
Alexander frowned. The last time he'd checked, computers tended to have an awful lot of junk nobody really looked at or questioned. How on Earth...?
"If it's that hard to find, then how did you manage it?"
Nyle's mouth twitched into a somewhat sheepish smile. It wasn't the first time Alexander saw it and he doubted it'd be the last.
"Magic, Sir. Magic, questionable gaming habits, and a lot of luck."
A comfortable silence arrived and had just started to unpack when it's forced out by the previous resident, Necessity.
"I know what one of us could accomplish with that much information, but what about them? The TSAB are the biggest faction around here, aren't they? I was under the impression we were too small-scale and primitive to bother with."
Nyle sighs and taps the manilla folder he left on Alexander's desk.
"There's a longer summary in there. Unfortunately, it really is dependent on what they want from us. They could accomplish anything from complete destabilization of the planet via selective 'leaking,' to blackmailing various world leaders toward a semi-peaceful assimilation, to simply manipulating world events in a favorable direction. The one bit of good news is that this much penetration means they've probably disabled our nuclear arsenals by now. We might have to deal with warfare, but mutual annihilation should be off the table by now."
"Considering their track record, I'm not sure I can agree with you on that," Alexander muttered.
Still, he did feel oddly reassured. Nobody with such advanced technology would want to turn Earth into a nuclear wasteland. Such nations supposedly tended to wipe themselves from existence, didn't they?
No, whoever was behind this operation likely knew exactly what they were doing. Alexander just hoped their goals weren't too outrageous.
Across the world, Agneyastra did not feel even the slightest urge to sneeze. This may be due to the simple fact that she couldn't.
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DB_Explorer
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... see now I'm just picturing magic-tek XCOM program.
I think it's pretty cool that they have that honestly.
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So you're saying Japan isn't the total center of the magical world on MGLN Earth? What sort of crazy AU is this? 
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"...In response to the growing alien threat, this council of nations has decided to activate—"
"Hold on, are we talking about the actual Japanese magical girls?"
"Commander, please do not—"
"And what is with this personnel roster? Half our 'scientists' are apparently war criminals and you've only assigned me ten. Supplies, full black body armor... Sir, with all due respect, are you trying to make a scapegoat evil organization?"
"..." *click*
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DB_Explorer
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President: .... ok so how about we put that guy in Chicago on retainer?
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Meanwhile in Chikago: "Why do I have a feeling that somebody is about to blame me for a fire I am not responsible for?"
Metroidwave
Strength To Lean On
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Time's like these I remember that I'm only familiar with around half the settings, and of those, I've only actually seen RWBY.
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Setting knowledge isn't required for this quest and this is actually an example of why. We're so far in AU territory it's started threatening me with a restraining order if I don't pay rent.
Torgamous
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I was briefly concerned that the Senate in this plane employed either actual vipers or snake people.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
What "One Piece" actually is has been left ambiguous, but it has been implied to be more than just gold and jewels. Roger was likely a pirate who didn't value money as much as he did things he was emotionally attached to. Most major pirates in the setting don't seem to think it's just treastes, either, since most of the stronger pirates can get all the money they might want through protection-rackets, tributes, slaving, looting, and, of course, piracy. Yet, many of them, despite being apathetic towards earning money in several cases, still pursue One Piece.
For some, possibly most, what the treasure is doesn't matter. What matters is the difficulty in finding it, and the prestige, power, and fame that comes with achieving such a dangerous and difficult task. Reaching Raftel is a feat only one ship, one crew, in the recorded history of their world has ever achieved. Matching arguably the greatest feat the King of Pirates ever managed is the real goal, for many of those going after One Piece. The treasure is just verification.
The fact that one person who was in on the secrets of it said it was important enough to cause a world-wide conflict and shake the entire world is also a driving force, for some. That sort of power can be enticing for powerful pirates, and the same is true of sowing that much chaos.
Raftel's location is apparently harder to find that just sailing to the end of the Grand Line. And it's hidden well enough that, so far as we know, no random ship has found it while traveling. Given that the entire Grand Line would probably be overflowing with mana, and magical phenomena (it'd explain the individual island's microclimes, the bizarre weather, the strange flora and fauna, and the effects on navigation), finding it might actually be a bit challenging, even for us. Not super challenging, but slightly more difficult than most things.
Finding them could actually be a bit challenging for us. Drones might not be too happy to operating there, or may have issues with long-distance communication, due to the nutty weather and the same effect that makes compasses worthless there. We might actually have to do some legwork ourselves.
Honestly, I kinda want to see someone cross One Piece and MtG now. While Devil Fruits aren't super compatible, the entire insanity of the environment of the Grand Line could be so much more easily explained that it's almost beautiful. You could even align the islands with different colors of mana, and make the storms and crazy weather be caused by the mana from different islands colliding. Ork taking it even further, you could make a whole mana-based weather system, with fronts of colored mana instead of hot or cold fronts.
I don't think an instant-orgy spell is going to fly with Alivaril. Or the mods.
Depends on if it supercedes/replaces the anger, or if it just coexists with it. Assuming the motivation is anger, that is. And yeah, it could be useful to be able to give, say, some of the Numbers, the extra push they need to switch sides and join us.
Not really? Affinities seem to be more general than specific, and "schools" of magic aren't really a thing. Unless the spells are achieving the same effect with extremely different methods, getting in the right field should be good enough for our purposes. Generally speaking, unless it's a spell, or set of spells, with multiple required Affinities, like Dragon Slayer magic, any fire mage can learn any fire spell. They just have to put in the time, and have the necessary level of skill.
So, no, I don't think we need to try out many different spells to determine affinity. The basic, starting spells of any given type should work just fine. Starting off trying to copy master-grade spells sounds like an excellent way to fail miserably. The best approach is to figure out what field her spells fall into, then try basic spells in that field.
Kind of interesting that they considered other humans to be aliens. And I really want to see more of the ECIO's mages. They sound like fun.
Only with much less discipline, from what is shown here. Apparently, these guy get up to some major shenanigans. So maybe closer to the crack-fic XCOM that arose from a certain list. I can believe these guys would try and drive a parked flying saucer back to base.
Metroidwave
Strength To Lean On
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