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Hybrid Hive: Eat Shard? (Worm/MGLN) (Complete)

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Cyberlord4444 said:
To be perfectly honest, I'm actually more interested in what's going on with the operation against the Merchants
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Probably tied up in paperwork to minimize contamination of Cauldron's experiment.

Which (The experiment) will be terminated the moment some cop stops thinking "she probably has better things to do." And asks Minerva to call down the thunder.
 
CmptrWz said:
That she was designing it to work best with a template setup that currently only contained one entry, well, that was to be expected with something new. And if that entry just happened to look like a giant cartoon bomb, complete with a comically large lit fuse, well, that was her prerogative as the one designing and testing the thing.
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Even ignoring all the other awesomeness that happened this chapter, this was good. I can only imagine people's expressions...
I mean, hey, if you have superpowers, and you can pick a theme... why not go for a bit of ham every now and then?

I agree with Hive that something needs to be done with her manual spellcasting. I wonder if that will reveal that weakness you mentioned with the equations? Hopefully it lets them make the thing easier to cast--if they can't build it using equations, perhaps they can engineer some way to cut out the parts that don't form right and only manually-cast those. Or is it possible to treat it like a binary blob being attached to normal coding? (Although I am not sure how helpful that analogy is, since I think the whole point is that equations flat can't produce the thing, not that they don't compute it)
 
rdmcmains said:
I'm thinking Möbius. I'm also thinking she needs to meet a certain other Missy for math tutoring (which I know won't happen).
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Well it looks like it's about to come out that Ethan and Sherrie know what's really going on. Once that awkward conversation is out of the way, Ethan calls up Danny and asks if Taylor is available to 'babysit'.

No one else gets suspicious (what with Taylor known to be a level headed and responsible young woman) and Taylor's apprentice gets the proper tutelage.
 
Leechblade said:
No one else gets suspicious (what with Taylor known to be a level headed and responsible young woman) and Taylor's apprentice gets the proper tutelage.
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The reason I was suggesting that other Missy namely Cloak from Taylor Varga is because that one has learned to use very complex math to make spacetime her bitch even more than this Missy could.
 
A curiosity question if you will.
The Magic Taylor is using has a heavy emphasis on numbers and calculations.
Number Man deals with numbers. He can recognize the math but not complete it?
Is that the right conclusion?
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What keeps him from finishing the equations?

I'm just guessing here. Is it the energy source that is needed to complete the formula?
I was honestly not even thinking about this till now. I mean, how is the shard whose function is numbers being blocked by numbers?
 
Shadowcade said:
Number Man deals with numbers. He can recognize the math but not complete it?
Is that the right conclusion?
and
What keeps him from finishing the equations?
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The actual reason is he hasn't seen enough of it for long enough to fully grasp he concepts involved.

The reason he can't use it to affect things is because his linker-core is mostly dead and so he lacks the power.
 
Shadowcade said:
A curiosity question if you will.
The Magic Taylor is using has a heavy emphasis on numbers and calculations.
Number Man deals with numbers. He can recognize the math but not complete it?
Is that the right conclusion?
and
What keeps him from finishing the equations?

I'm just guessing here. Is it the energy source that is needed to complete the formula?
I was honestly not even thinking about this till now. I mean, how is the shard whose function is numbers being blocked by numbers?
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I think it's more along the lines of not knowing the necessary math to be able to figure out what the math he's seeing is doing.

It's like trying to figure out algerbra when all you know is addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
 
Byzantine said:
The actual reason is he hasn't seen enough of it for long enough to fully grasp he concepts involved.

The reason he can't use it to affect things is because his linker-core is mostly dead and so he lacks the power.
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Vyrexuviel said:
I think it's more along the lines of not knowing the necessary math to be able to figure out what the math he's seeing is doing.

It's like trying to figure out algerbra when all you know is addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
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I'm fairly sure all three of these are true. He has the correct shard to figure out the necessary mathematical concepts, as per what Vyrexuviel stated he lacks, but he hasn't seen enough of it or had a good enough look to do so. He and his shard also lack knowledge of mana, so the equations are constantly referencing a set of variables and physical constants that his shard is unfamiliar with. Which also falls back into the category of "not knowing the mathematical concepts at play."

If he sees enough of it, he should be able to deduce some of the knowledge. Up to and including the knowledge that mana exists, and some of its characteristics, without actually knowing where to find said mana. Much less where to find it in a useable form. Figuring out the existence of linker cores from there would require putting that whole chain of logic together with other evidence. Such as if he were to somehow start interacting and collaborating with Panacea, who has been steadily figuring things out from the exact opposite end of the problem.

EDIT: Or if their shards were to start doing so.
 
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Shadowcade said:
A curiosity question if you will.
The Magic Taylor is using has a heavy emphasis on numbers and calculations.
Number Man deals with numbers. He can recognize the math but not complete it?
Is that the right conclusion?
and
What keeps him from finishing the equations?

I'm just guessing here. Is it the energy source that is needed to complete the formula?
I was honestly not even thinking about this till now. I mean, how is the shard whose function is numbers being blocked by numbers?
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Nanohan magic uses a different set of higher dimensions than Shard techniques. Hive has noted this when adapting their techniques to mana. Further, Shards seem unaware that mana itself, which seems to be being treated as a fundamental force like gravity, which makes things more complex. Not knowing the right constants and variables or even how many of them there are keeps his Shard from being able to work out the rest of the math, despite the raw computational power available and a shard optimized for mathematics.
 
Wyrd said:
Nanohan magic uses a different set of higher dimensions than Shard techniques. Hive has noted this when adapting their techniques to mana. Further, Shards seem unaware that mana itself, which seems to be being treated as a fundamental force like gravity, which makes things more complex. Not knowing the right constants and variables or even how many of them there are keeps his Shard from being able to work out the rest of the math, despite the raw computational power available and a shard optimized for mathematics.
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So in short, he's got a big enough processor but can't find the right app?
 
Eternaly_Lost said:
I fully expect Assault will bring up Missy 'trading her powers for different kinds of power', even if he thinks it was just done to save her as Armsmaster assumes, rather then a trade she asked for.
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Isn't he pretty convinced it's the latter? That's the impression I got, with the way he talked about Missy visiting Taylor and all.

At this point I think I'd expect the suicide thing to come up in the context of "people think you tried to kill yourself"; I don't think Assault is going to consider that plausible unless Missy somehow manages to convince him that she didn't request a transfer to Team Mana.

-Morgan.
 
Vyrexuviel said:
I think it's more along the lines of not knowing the necessary math to be able to figure out what the math he's seeing is doing.

It's like trying to figure out algerbra when all you know is addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
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Honestly, Algebra is not that difficult to reverse-engineer after you see it done, though figuring it out without a reference was a rather impressive achievement. Algebra is literally the mathematics of unknown values and the manipulation of equations, usually to find those values. If you see enough basic algebra, you can figure out what it is doing and how to do it yourself. Even if all you have seen is 2x=1 solved to x=1/2, and similar simple equations, you can eventually work out the fully-variable equations used to represent general problems and large sets.

Rather, Numberman's Shard is using a base-twelve system to do basic operations, be they First Order (addition/subtraction), Second Order (multiplication/division), Third Order (exponents/logarithms), or even higher order operations, and has a little bit of simple Algebra, basically just substituting large numbers or sets as variables. Team Mana is using base ten to do Calculus with imaginary numbers, written with a completely different numeral set and operator notation. Yeah, it is POSSIBLE for someone with enough processing power to figure out how to get from one to the other, but it isn't bloody likely.
 
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