Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Some of the reasons I worry that spirit stones are like that (other than my negative bias), things like that heaven cares about (too many) mortal deaths from violent means, that you can make ghost (and eat those ghosts) by torturing the Hell of some poor mortal and some other stuff include these sapient geographic locations (where there also lot of spirit stones inside them).

but once more I have a big bias here since that is part of the mind set (together with disparity) I need to write. and big part of why the Brotherhood almost never call them 'spirit stones'.

For all I know the heaven/the turtles are messing with the reincarnation circle and feeding themselves the qi/insight that fall from the heaven. said qi made from grinding souls into the dust and throwing that power down to the physical plane (to feed their young). and that is part of the reason some devils are reincarnations (they were not being complete eaten), the reason soup chef (could) be mad from these revelations, part of the reason why the emperor turtle (or other turtle) could get so much power from eating their family, and so on.

Personally, I will be really happy if this is not the case. And the 'qi Sprint' of a world or whatever is just a Qi generator.

And there is other reasons why there MUST be mortals other than lacking resources in a place like the turtle world.

Hmmm, I don't like that I was close to the truth here (even if only in a small degree of being right) :(
 
So then since the Imperator's just a QC equivalent trying to scavenge a turtle heart in the aftermath of an actual battle (read: a minor village got assaulted by a few ornery animals), it must follow that the Autokrator is pretty much a Foundation equivalent at most, the head of a shitty, undermanned squad that's been tasked with running off scavengers from the ourskirts of a local settlement rather than anything actually important that the even bigger organization that she's a part of is actually doing.
 
So then since the Imperator's just a QC equivalent trying to scavenge a turtle heart in the aftermath of an actual battle (read: a minor village got assaulted by a few ornery animals), it must follow that the Autokrator is pretty much a Foundation equivalent at most, the head of a shitty, undermanned squad that's been tasked with running off scavengers from the ourskirts of a local settlement rather than anything actually important that the even bigger organization that she's a part of is actually doing.

Nah, Autokrator is legitimately the Big Super Human Cultivator.

It's just that yes, the Imperator is everything else you said.

The real issue is that Life Stage is apparently Arbitrarily Long. Once you've gotten a Qi Spring, it's all about raising your thoroughput steadily and gradually over time. You've already achieved Infinite Power, what you need is the ability to actually exert that Infinite Power, which--apparently--takes an Infinite amount of time.
 
Even the Autokrator is apparently only a Vice Gerent. And that's assuming the Creation is as far up as it goes, which it probably isn't.
 
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It would be simple enough, surely. Simply cultivate back up to Threefold Revival, slaughter the natives who opposed him, seize the Will Opposing and finish what he had begun so many years ago.
Isn't it impossible to move past Spirit Severing if you ascended before 9 pillars? Or is this another one of those things where we're a frog in a well and there's higher world methods to bypass that?
 
This and more he wove into the skein of the Will Opposing, memories of techniques and fights and glories that even a Law Creation cultivator would be able to absorb, things that such a cultivator could use to rise above and fight against the world itself. Methods to break the time of a world, to ravage space. Even some lesser legacies for the Spirit Severing cultivators, methods to temper their souls and to begin stepping on the path of comprehending Law, to avoid the tiresome entanglements of Earth and Heaven that would prevent you from reaching the Law if you took one step in the wrong direction unknowingly, or took an incorrect one.
...and all of it utterly, tragically useless to the Optimatoi.


It seems like we part companies with the ancient Sea Conquering Army as far as Win Conditions go, since we "only" want to make a fair Heaven where evil is punished and justice rewarded (and to a lesser extent where all beings can coexist). Certainly don't wish to destroy (a) Heaven, no matter the prize at offer.
My takeaway was that because the Seas all exist within the Turtle Emperor, it's not actually possibly to create a Heaven which is 'fair' in any sense that's meaningful to humans, because the Turtle Emperor will ultimately hold final authority over Heaven's nature - unless you kill the Turtle Emperor and seize mastery over its Heaven.

Even then, it seems likely that if we tried to simply mind our own affairs, it would end with us being simply scoured from existence the moment that even a minor skirmish within the Beastwar occurred anywhere near us. Hence why Heraclius doesn't see any point in arguing the morality of the war. For those who are human, the only possible paths are to either join in the war effort or be crushed underfoot.
 
Not gonna lie, seems like we're the bad guys from a 90s environmentalist cartoon. Might be a good time to make friends with the wildlife while the bulldozer gets overgrown by trees in the background.
Fairly certain that's the wrong take, like 100%.

My takeaway was that because the Seas all exist within the Turtle Emperor, it's not actually possibly to create a Heaven which is 'fair' in any sense that's meaningful to humans, because the Turtle Emperor will ultimately hold final authority over Heaven's nature - unless you kill the Turtle Emperor and seize mastery over its Heaven.

Even then, it seems likely that if we tried to simply mind our own affairs, it would end with us being simply scoured from existence the moment that even a minor skirmish within the Beastwar occurred anywhere near us. Hence why Heraclius doesn't see any point in arguing the morality of the war. For those who are human, the only possible paths are to either join in the war effort or be crushed underfoot.

Basically this, the beasts and humans are stuck in the same conundrum as the Demons and Makyrs of DOOM. Both have to consume the other to survive and grow. Meaning that soul energy is the only way to go forwards. This in turn put them at odds, however unlike DOOM the humans aren't retarded and aren't getting tempted to just feed other humans to propagate more beasts. Not that it's helping all that much.
 
Gabriel Pompeius 7 & Iskander Pallikari 5: Shifting Currents
Gabriel Pompeius 7 & Iskander Pallikari 5: Shifting Currents
Year 293

He should have gotten himself a Flying Sword.

Iskander mused on that thought a bit bitterly as he pushed himself to maintain the long, merciless march of the Plainswalkers. This recently revitalized Legion hardly ever left the Green Scale Plains, being more or less permanently stationed there to project force to the North at all times. While they did occasionally have to march back home to pick up new recruits - as well as supplies that couldn't be made outside the Dawn Fortress - they were downright hasty in their desire to get back to their post as soon as possible.

And so, his legs burning from the endless trek, Iskander distracted himself with all sorts of idle thoughts. It would have been so cool to debut as a Legionnaire with an iconic weapon like that, but Lai Bohai had to be a grumpy old stiff about the whole thing. 'Kill at least five people up close first; learn what it means to kill another person before you start going to war with toys.' He's said, in a tone that would brook no argument. It was just lame to go out with only standard issue gear though!

Looking to his left, Iskander spied, predictably, another new recruit who looked roughly as miserable as him. "They're pushing us pretty hard for the first month, aren't they?" He asked, hoping to break the ice.

The olive-skinned man regarded him for a moment, then shook his head. "This is our standard pace, junior. It won't be any different for your second month, or the third, or the few years after that. Trust me, when the Legate and the Centurions want to push us hard, you'll know. I did, when I saw it that one time."

"Guess I'll stop whining now then, since I signed a ten-year contract." Iskander chuckled. "Friend of mine once said 'freedom and opportunity are inversely correlated'. Now, I dunno what an 'inversely correlated' is, but I think what it means is, giving up more gets you more in return." He shrugged. "The ten-year gets you a better salary than the five-year, so I jumped on it."

"It means that the higher one is, the lower the other will be." The other man answered. "As far as the legion contract goes, it fits. I took the ten-year as well. Ten years, five? As cultivators, that difference becomes minimal. Eventually. Young disciples like you and I, we still have to get used to it." He gave Iskander a look. There isn't that much difference in the salaries, for that matter."

"Yeah, but 'not much' is more than 'none', eh? I'm a first generation Cultivator, I gotta make every point count." Iskander replied, scratching the back of his head and looking off into the horizon. The desert was so unfathomably massive that it was a bit frightening to think about; he'd much rather think about the things immediately around him. "You seem a bit familiar, Senior, do I know you? What's your name?" He asked, turning back to the other Legionnaire.

"Gabriel Pompeius." His senior introduced himself. "I'm afraid I don't recall us having met before. I've been busy on missions though. None that would qualify for bloodying myself, unfortunately." He added regretfully. "And yours, junior?"

"Nothing too crazy, I guess. Killed some stuff in the sewers when I was a Junior Aspirant, tagged along with the Noble Fangs as an Aspirant." Iskander paused for a moment to take a drink from his waterskin, carefully measured so as not to use any more water than needed. Another one of those little skills most people picked up just by existing as an Aspirant. "Killed… I think it was a Fourth Heavenstage Wolf once? That was probably my biggest thing. But are you sure we haven't…"

Iskander squinted at Gabriel, tilting his head quizzically, before it suddenly came to him. "Oh, the Academy! We were both in the Class of MK 280, you were that oracle kid." He nodded enthusiastically, glad to have puzzled that bit out. "Do you still do that, reading entrails and knucklebones and stuff like that? There was an old wise woman in my hometown who did that, but she was a mortal."

Gabriel frowned deeply at that. "I meant your name." And his gaze tightened on Iskander. "And I never did any such thing." Feeling deeply offended, he turned his head away and focused on the march. Rumor and gossip and insult and mockery. It never went away, did it? He'd accepted it as an unfortunate fact, but it hurt all the same.

Iskander blinked a few times, confused. "Wha… hey, hey, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you or anything, I…" He trailed off. Damnit, he was already screwing things up on his first march? That was no good, he had to salvage this. "It wasn't an insult; back home everybody respected Granny Ning! She always had an answer for people's troubles."

He sped up for a moment, nearly bumping into the Legionnaire in front of him so he could turn around and meet Gabriel's eyes. "Look, lemme start over, Senior. My name's Iskander Pallikari. I'd love to get to know a wise man like you."

Gabriel's eyes reflected resignation, if a tad mollified by Iskander's apologies. "I'm no wise man, Iskander. Just someone chasing a vision he had the day he awoke his qi, and seeking omens to guide his path. Wisdom is the last thing anyone associates with me, and I cannot blame them for it. I can hardly provide an answer for people the way your venerable granny could."

Iskender fell back into line before any officers could notice and scold him, glad to have stopped that potential disaster. "I dunno, if you could see it so clearly since day one, there's gotta be something to it, right?" He insisted, patting Gabriel on the shoulder. "Maybe not an answer for everybody, but some kind of answer."

His words weren't just friendliness, though there was some of that too. A clear vision, seen from the very beginning and followed diligently all the way through? The concept seemed foreign to Iskander, who all too often felt like he was clinging to a piece of driftwood at sea. "Why don't you tell me about it; sounds interesting."

Gabriel looked surprised by the offer. Someone who was actually interested, why that was as rare as hen's teeth. "There isn't that much to speak of. It started in the Pompeius family estate…" But for once, in a low voice, he indulged himself in being able to recount the story openly and without shame.

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Year 295

Gabriel entered the tent and saluted promptly. "Legionnaire Pompeius, reporting." Inwardly, he wondered why Centurion Denaris had called for him. It hadn't been long since the completion of his blooding, so even if she wasn't smiling as she had when he'd returned that day, none of the prior chill was present in her demeanor. Nothing else to suggest he'd done something wrong, for that matter. A mission, perhaps? Always possible, but he didn't think so. Gabriel shoved away the thoughts before he appeared to wool-gather before his superior officer.

"Legionnaire Pompeius." Denaris nodded. "You've completed your blooding, and risen to the Tenth Heavenstage. In less than twenty years, but unsurprising since you were marked down as a Good Seed. Regardless, you're due the reward for good work – more work. It's time for you to take on the responsibility of leadership, Decanus."

Shock flicked over Gabriel's face before decorum reasserted itself. Leadership? The uncertainty roiled within him. Yes, he remembered familial lessons, about high stage Qi Condensation cultivators tapped for promotion to lower officer ranks to prepare for higher command upon breaking through, but… but… "Yes, Centurion. Thank you, Centurion." Those were the expected words, the only words he could say, despite the fact that he wasn't ready.

Denaris leaned back in her chair. "Don't worry too much, Pompeius. We're not throwing new officers into the deep wastes. We've got a simple shakedown mission lined up to help ease you into the job. Let me introduce you to your squad."

The nine Legionnaires lined up behind the Centurion were all familiar faces; some more than others, of course. People who, not too long ago, were Gabriel's equals. Though they all kept a disciplined look, not all seemed perfectly content with the shake-up. One Legionnaire, though, seemed particularly happy.

There was no sense of jealousy at all in Iskander's face. If anything, the young swordsman seemed both proud and greatly amused by the turn of events. He opened his mouth momentarily, then hesitantly shut it; Iskander had been scolded more than once in the past for being too casual toward superior officers, and seemed to have realized he should save the celebrations for later.

"These soldiers will be, in some cases, under your direct command. In addition, over the next few years I will educate you on military tactics when I have the time." Denaris explained, crossing her legs and quietly observing Gabriel's reaction. Judging by the frequency with which Denaris' took missions, Gabriel imagined such lessons would be brief and infrequent.

"Of course, theory can only take you so far. You'll learn plenty in person as well." The Centurion continued. "You'll be leading this squad on an expedition to the southwest. A village by the name of Big Xiong was abandoned by its residents two years ago. As they tell it, some kind of unknown plant infested their fields, choking out all of the crops and forcing them to leave. No doubt some kind of aggressive spirit herb."

With that, Denaris picked up a map from the table beside her and handed it to Gabriel. Scanning its surface, he saw a distant view of a landscape featuring rivers, hills, valleys and other notable landmarks. Big Xiong's location was listed down, as were those of a few other villages. "Approach the situation how you like; it's relatively low-risk. Just come back with samples in a timely fashion."

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Once, Big Xiong might have been described as full of fields of green. Nowadays, as the squad approached, marching in good order, it would now be better described as full of blue-green. The strange spirit herb swallowed everything, from the fields, to the stems, leaves and tendrils curling around the outskirts of slowly decaying buildings. It was a melancholy sight, and a testament to this herb's virulency.

"It's on everything…" Iskander muttered, poking one of the larger vines with his sheathed saber and being a tiny bit disappointed when it didn't twitch or convulse. "Some kinda weed, but there's sap inside."

Indeed, the vines were not solid fiber, but hollow, filled with a pale blue substance which oozed out wherever they were broken open. He considered giving it a sniff, but wondered if that might be dangerous. "I'm totally out of my depth here. You ever seen anything like this, Gabriel? Er, Decanus?"

"Not in my travels." Gabriel answered, regarding the vines speculatively. The other legionnaires were quick to confirm the plants were foreign to their experience as well.

Slowly, the group ventured further into the village, finding the infestation only growing denser as they went. Gradually, the plant life became more complex, going from just creeping vines, to vines with leaves and bulbs, to formations of round pods resembling fruits, or perhaps flower buds. Their spiritual senses soon became useless, as the qi signature all around them served to obscure other signals.

"Doesn't feel like more than Qi Condensation, so how'd it overtake such a big area?" One soldier asked, voice thick with nervousness.

"Do you think it's toxic? Is it even safe to be around so much?" Asked another.

Big Xiong was, true to the name, a rather large village, arguably more of a small town, having once housed around a thousand residents. The outskirts gave way to the market square, which gave way to rows and clusters of homes devastated by the incursion. Iskander carefully opened one of the doors, finding the inside abandoned, clusters of vines having broken through the floors. Still, all remained quiet.

It was when the squad finally ventured out into the fields, however, when the true scale of the disaster became apparent. They broke through to the edge of the largest farm in the area, only to be confronted by… a horde was one way of describing it.

Oversized pigs – arguably boars now given the jutting lengths of bones from beside their jaws – growled and tossed their heads. A flock of six-legged sheep that arrayed itself in close order, wool resembling metal and twisted horns presented like a phalanx of spears. Squirrels jumped down from the trees, faces and limbs morphed into macabre things. A horse that was far closer to an animate skeleton than a living creature. All had pulsing veins and light in their eyes the same color as the vine sap.

But it was the transformed creature behind them all that gave Gabriel true pause. Four wings instead of two, now the size of a man, its crest oozing blood-red. The rooster turned spirit beast raised its head and crowed out mightily. The various beasts promptly responded as if commanded, which they most certainly were. Gabriel cast his eyes skyward, and as he suspected, sunset approached.

The unsolved omen he'd seen months ago, on his way tracking down Yu Zhangling – at last it had been revealed to him. "Squad, fall back!" Gabriel barked promptly. Some warnings waited to become relevant, but now that it was, he had no intention of ignoring it.

The Legionnaires didn't outright murmur amongst themselves, let alone voice any objections, but there was some degree of surprise at the order. Iskander seemed like he wanted to say something too, but held his tongue. As one unit, the soldiers retreated, at first backing away from the fields. When the horde of mutants began to advance, they turned around and began to run in earnest.

The following minutes were chaotic; hard to perfectly recall later on. Golden Devils were not known for their speed, and while few of the farm animals were in the Fifth Heavenstage, many of the horses and goats were quick enough to catch up. The battle soon broke down into a sort of half-retreat, half-battle, as the soldiers turned to strike at any animal that drew too close while not pausing their own strides. The entire time, the rooster's crowing could be heard, echoing triumphantly from the fields.

The invasive vines seemed to grow restless from the activity, squirming and pulsing as that strange fluid pumped through them. Though it seemed the vines were not actually prehensile, they could grow at incredible speed when motivated. Snares formed at their feet to trip them, nooses of plant-matter hung from rooftops to catch and choke them, and bulbs burst when they came nearby, showering them in boiling, acidic fluids. Soon, two of the soldiers went down, their feet caught by vines, and a hulking beast of a packhorse loomed above them. A particularly overdeveloped creature with too many legs and hooves like blades reared up, ready to smash down upon the pair.

Iskander was there in a moment, swinging his blade without hesitation and hacking off the horse's two front hooves in one motion. It screamed and stumbled back, caught between the terror of a wounded prey animal and the orders of its master, and in that moment of weakness, Iskander advanced. His first cut bit halfway through the horse's neck; with a grunt of effort, he wrenched his saber free and swung it again, this time removing the horse's head entirely.

One foe was slain, but in the five seconds that had taken, the rest of the squad had left Iskander and those two behind. Multi-headed, razor-taloned chickens swooped down upon them from above, whilst brawny, furious boars smashed through everything in their way. Iskander hacked through his squadmates' bindings, but it was clear they wouldn't escape in time.

Seeing the trio in danger, Gabriel barked for the others to continue the retreat and reappeared in front of the bestial assault, gladius raised. Then he saw the rooster having proceeded closer, raising itself all the higher to posture arrogantly. An odd moment passed, one that flashed by conscious thought, the way an epiphany does. His hand, knowing better than his brain, snatched up a long shard of pottery, and hurled it into the distance.

A drunken mortal had attempted this, only to fail humiliatingly. But this throw had been driven by precise intuition, and the hand of a Tenth Stage Qi Condensation cultivator. A great and terrible cry filled the air, shrilly. The mutated swarm recoiled, shook. Then individuals began to break off, as they scattered in various directions.

Tension left the new Decanus' body, thankful to see his interpretation had proven right. For that matter, he'd learned another important lesson about his omens. Gabriel turned and nodded approvingly at Iskander. "Good work, Legionnaire." Then he glanced back at the other two. "If you're lucky, the Centurion won't make you do awareness drills for a straight day."

Gabriel suspected they wouldn't be that lucky.

They were harassed by individual enemies after that, but the animals no longer acted with the same cohesion, and thus were no great threat. What was more inconvenient was when they found their horses, left by the outskirts of Big Xiong, had also been affected by the rooster's cry, albeit to a far lesser extent than the mutated animals. Still, what were previously calm and well-trained steeds had become restive and confused.

"Come on girl, it's gonna be fine…" Iskander said soothingly as he tried to pet his own horse, a muscular black mare. Seeing and smelling the blood of another horse all over him, she only grew more upset, nickering loudly and shaking her head this way and that. He sighed, then shrugged his shoulders, taking hold of the reins and turning to lead the horse away on foot. "Alright, if you're gonna be like that then let's get farther away first.

The rest of the soldiers soon followed suit, and soon they all found themselves leading their mentally befuddled steeds away. As much of a pain as it was, Iskander couldn't help but laugh under his breath now that the danger had passed. "Well, could have been worse, right Gab- uh, Decanus?"

"Yes." Gabriel agreed. He didn't feel it appropriate to boast about remembering the omen. And that went triply for the unconscious realization that the sticks hadn't meant 'Sun' after all. No, despite the overlapping characters, the message there stood for 'male genitals.' One could still sympathize with the rooster, after all. "Still have your samples? Any serious injuries?"

"Nothing too bad." Iskander replied, rolling his shoulder and kneading at a bruise there. "And uh…" He trailed off, fishing through his compression pouch before pulling out several severed vines, from one of which dangled a destroyed bulb, still dripping with sap. "It was a rush job, so it's not the neatest. Gonna have to clean the inside of this pouch later." He explained, looking both apologetic and queasy.

It was about the same for the rest of the squad. "It'll have to do. The Centurion will understand. Mount up." Gabriel ordered, feeling authoritative as a Decanus for once. Omens couldn't replace leadership, but it helped. And the squad had trusted him enough to follow his instructions in the heat of battle, so he didn't think he was going to disgrace himself.

Soon enough, the team found themselves rapidly leaving Big Xiong behind (and universally hoping they would never go back). On the whole, it could indeed have gone a lot worse. "I'm glad I let you do your own thing, buddy." Iskander mused, looking off into the distance. "I was gonna ask a friend of mine what he would do, but… eh, I figured people need to overcome some things themselves. Qi won't be enough in the unorthodox stages, right?" He turned to Gabriel with a lopsided grin, before once again remembering he was talking to a superior officer now. "Er… wouldn't you agree, Sir?"

"It's never exactly been enough in the orthodox stages too." Gabriel informed his friend. "But having a clear sense of your Dao helps," he added, remembering the discussions with Cerina Polya. "...Now what was this about 'letting' your superior officer do anything?" Gabriel arched an eyebrow in exaggeration. "Why, that sounds awfully close to insubordination. You're just lucky I'm in a good mood, Legionnaire Pallikari."

Iskander did his best to look apologetic, shaking as he desperately stifled his impulse to laugh with all of his strength. "Yes Sir, I'm sorry Sir."



no.: I ended up asking to do this collab upon realizing that Iskander and Gabriel were starting on the same turn. Just one problem: Gabriel's fate has already been rolled up and Iskander's hasn't. The compromise we came to was that Gabriel's fate happened before Iskander's did, which led to the crux of this little story: Gabriel adjusting to suddenly becoming an officer, leading people who had just recently been his peers. I feel like it came out pretty well.

In this collab I made sure to never mention what Heavenstage Iskander is currently at, besides the implication that it's more than Four and less than Nine. We also left a five year period before the end of the turn where Iskander's fate can happen. Thanks to MrRageQuit for doing this with me.

MrRageQuit: Glad to do this thing with No. It took us a bit to sort things out, but I'm glad to have a new relationship going between PCs, with the hope of more fruit to come down the road. Thanks for your time and toil, buddy.

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...and all of it utterly, tragically useless to the Optimatoi.



My takeaway was that because the Seas all exist within the Turtle Emperor, it's not actually possibly to create a Heaven which is 'fair' in any sense that's meaningful to humans, because the Turtle Emperor will ultimately hold final authority over Heaven's nature - unless you kill the Turtle Emperor and seize mastery over its Heaven.

Even then, it seems likely that if we tried to simply mind our own affairs, it would end with us being simply scoured from existence the moment that even a minor skirmish within the Beastwar occurred anywhere near us. Hence why Heraclius doesn't see any point in arguing the morality of the war. For those who are human, the only possible paths are to either join in the war effort or be crushed underfoot.


Just a reminder from the lore revealed in a previous Shadow of Heaven interlude (link below), the Turtle Emperor was killed in the last moments of the fight with Heraclius.

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Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest] Original - Fantasy

In previous times, Manuel had dreamt. He did not dream now. He was sitting awake, in Council, awaiting for the arrival of some final paperwork for Sheng Yu to make a point about funding more mobile artillery, and it struck him. Like lightning from Heaven it came and he collapsed, his body...

Here is my understanding of the timeline:

1) Heraclius leads the Sea-Conquering Army in an attack on the Turtle Emperor and his numerous children The fight is heading towards a decisive victory by the Sea-Conquering Army before the Turtle Emperor dramatically turns the tide of battle by sacrificing all but nine of his children who live in the weakest region (The Nine Seas). This sacrifice provides the Turtle Emperor with a powerful new form and gives it an overwhelming advantage over the Sea-Conquering Army.

2) Heraclius dispatches his weakest follower to infiltrate the Nine Seas when it becomes clear that a straightforward victory is impossible. It isn't mentioned, but I assume that there are considerable amount of lesser cultivators accompanying this follower and they were just too insignificant to mention. There are some interesting implications for our faction if that isn't the case as it would mean the culture and heritage of every member of the Sea-Conquering Army in the Nine Seas would all trace back to a single person.

3) The Turtle Emperor attempts to follow and personally destroy the infiltrator, but is unable as its great power would destroy the Nine Seas if it tried directly acting on them. It instead creates a mystic shell around the Nine Seas that has the primary task of protecting the Nine remaining Turtle Children and the secondary task of completely destroying the Sea-Conquering Army infiltrators. It is heavily implied that this mystic shell is the force everyone knows as Heaven.

4) Heraclius sabotages the mystic shell by contaminating it with a shadowy force (almost certainly the Shadow of Heaven). He then sacrifices his own life to kill the Turtle Emperor when it is distracted working to purge the contamination and further empower the mystic shell.

5) The mystic shell and the shadow force within it start absorbing the chaotic energy released by the death of the Turtle Emperor. This absorption process is presumably still going on and serves as the root source of energy for everything in the Nine Seas.

The key point here is that the Turtle Emperor is no longer relevant as an active agent. Heaven is simply an automated system following its unalterable directives to protect the Turtle Children and destroy the remnants of the Sea-Conquering Army. There is no outside force that would intervene to stop the Sea-Conquering Army (or any other faction) from overcoming Heaven and reshaping the Nine Seas so that it fits their ethical code.
 
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The key point here is that the Turtle Emperor is no longer relevant as an active agent. Heaven is simply an automated system following its unalterable directives to protect the Turtle Children and destroy the remnants of the Sea-Conquering Army. There is no outside force that would intervene to stop the Sea-Conquering Army (or any other faction) from overcoming Heaven and reshaping the Nine Seas so that it fits their ethical code.
So basically we've got two operating systems (Heaven and Heaven's Shadow) left behind by long dead Cultivators, that are so powerful they run the world? I don't think they can even be sentient enough to be called AI.

It's like finding out your universe runs on a calculator program on a Windows 95 computer riddled with bugs from a computer virus. And those bugs are the only reason you haven't been put in the recycling bin yet.
 
So basically we've got two operating systems (Heaven and Heaven's Shadow) left behind by long dead Cultivators, that are so powerful they run the world? I don't think they can even be sentient enough to be called AI.

It's like finding out your universe runs on a calculator program on a Windows 95 computer riddled with bugs from a computer virus. And those bugs are the only reason you haven't been put in the recycling bin yet.
...and Heaven is stronger, but Heaven's Shadow is good at hiding and subverting, and (and this is key) if we get back up a notch or two, we can manage to refresh Heaven's Shadow to a degree, while Heaven itself is never going to have more ideas to work with than what it has on hand right now.
 
There is also the inability of Heaven to adapt to outside-context changes. I assume that the death of a Turtle Child is something that was not within its programming and it is still treating the deceased Turtle child as if it were alive. This explains why it is continuing to supply resources to maintain a corpse and refrains from deploying the overwhelming force that could totally destroy our Clan but would normally harm the Turtle Child they live on.
 
Heraclius dispatches his weakest follower to infiltrate the Nine Seas when it becomes clear that a straightforward victory is impossible. It isn't mentioned, but I assume that there are considerable amount of lesser cultivators accompanying this follower and they were just too insignificant to mention. There are some interesting implications for our faction if that isn't the case as it would mean the culture and heritage of every member of the Sea-Conquering Army in the Nine Seas would all trace back to a single person.
His 'weakest follower' is quite possibly the weakest gold blood in his followers and there were tons of silver and bronze servants that went with him given how the higher bloodlines seem to view the lesser ones from that one silver guy we had.
 
It could make sense for Heraclius to view the accompanying bronze and silver servants as possessions of his gold subordinate rather than members of the Sea-Conquering Army in their own right. This builds on the disturbing signs we have seen of their caste-system.
 
Specifically.

The Turtle Emperor is Dead and reduced to a Will, but it's a Will with infinite Qi, so it can continue reacting to new stimuli, it just can't have any New Ideas. Do note though that even with all that, we were still Fucked, it's just the Soup Chef did a Thing and that ended up flipping the entire table again.

More importantly, this puts into context the refusal of the SCA's remnants to submit. Especially if the Shadow's been protecting our souls from being eaten. "We'll stop fighting, all you have to do is let us eat your souls when you die" is absolutely an unacceptable demand in that context.
He's not a Will. He's half-dead/mostly-dead/in a coma. That is a significant difference. If he was a proper Will we would all be dead dead, so using the term Will is inaccurate.

OccipitallobeYesterday at 7:06 AM
If you kill the Turtle Emperor, thus goes the Spring.

The Spring exists, so he's still alive in some vague sense.
 
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2) Heraclius dispatches his weakest follower to infiltrate the Nine Seas when it becomes clear that a straightforward victory is impossible. It isn't mentioned, but I assume that there are considerable amount of lesser cultivators accompanying this follower and they were just too insignificant to mention. There are some interesting implications for our faction if that isn't the case as it would mean the culture and heritage of every member of the Sea-Conquering Army in the Nine Seas would all trace back to a single person.
My recollection is that this Threefold Revival Expert was Lady Kourmonos, and that the cultivators that came with her were contained in her inner world. She may not have had a Life Spring, but she was still able to store them.
 
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Humm. Could be this be a winning condition now?
To be clear, are you suggesting that the Oak could somehow be used to 'bootstrap' up to a Spirit Severing level at which Heraclius Sarantapechos' advice would be useful?

Fantastic chapter Occiptiallobe!

Even beyond his belief that if we are reduced to Nascent souls alone death is inevitable, here I believe is another limit to Heraclius' vision. The turtle emperor too is dead. Perhaps if the will opposing was utterly wiped out heaven might eventually regather enough to put the turtle emperor back together, perhaps not.
Well, we're basically living in one of the edge cases he envisioned: his forces lost, but really, REALLY narrowly, to the point where it's remotely conceivable that despite the loss of our last Spirit Severing cultivator several thousand years ago, we might actually still have a chance of pulling things back from the brink. Maybe.

At the same time, this would have been a lot easier if we hadn't lost our last Spirit Severing cultivator... Though the richer, livelier turtle-world where we had Spirit Severing cultivators, was also a world where Heaven was more effective at smashing down the Sea Conquering Army's last remnants, so the benefits might cancel out.

Bad for the individual pig but great for pigs as a whole? Yeah, I can see it.
That depends heavily on what you think "great for pigs" means.

If wild boars were sapient, they might not consider the status of the 'race' of domesticated pigs to be an enviable one.

If wolves were sapient, they probably wouldn't be any too happy when they found out what we did to chihuahuas, pugs, dachshunds, and French poodles.
 
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To be clear, are you suggesting that the Oak could somehow be used to 'bootstrap' up to a Spirit Severing level at which Heraclius Sarantapechos' advice would be useful?

More or less. Our NS could become a SS for an instant. Instruct the Shadow of Heaven to continue to follow our Old Monster. Or something like that;

It is a shame that our main formation is not the person themselves. Otherwise, we could try that way (when we get enough people in the clan to do so).

Still, I sure there a lot problems with these ideas like the first probably leaving the person almost dead in the best scenario. And the second not being a SS tech.
 
Wei Feng - Echoes of the Beast War - Lore of the Dragon God
Echoes of the Beast War - Lore of the Dragon God

Chant of the first realms:
Hark to the words of the Dragon God,

Hark to the Ruler of the World Hoard.

Hark, and hear of the five realms of understanding:

The First Breath – To breath the first breath of the qi of the world,

The First thought – The first thought of the truth of the world,

The First perception – To explore the first model of the world,

Sprit Incarnation – To embodiment the whole of the true self into a new vessel,

Cycle Separation – To Remove oneself from the great wheel of reincarnation.


Recitation of Choice:
A choice awaits at the end of the realms of understanding:

Turn away. Turn away and return to the wheel. Turn away and return to everlasting life.

For the few, to become Guardian of the World.
The chosen few. The Dragon Lord's protectors. Defenders of the World Hoard.

Or to strive on. Strive on in the quest for understanding.

At what cost? At great cost. At the risk of their own existence.


To strive on is to seek the privilege to leave the Dragon's hoard to create their own. The Dragon Lord will brook no cowards amongst those seekers. The perils of failure commensurate to the rewards of success.

Of the realms of seeking:

Fundament Comprehension – To begin to comprehend the true nature of existence.

Cycle Creation – To take that comprehension and create the systems of a world.

The dual realm – Creation Seeking and Fundament Creation. -To seek the means to birth life among the created cycle, or for the very greatest of all, to be gifted the secret by Lord M'meithial himself.


-Records of the lore of the Dragon Lord M'meithial, as relayed to and by his priests.

Dragon Lord M'meithial is recorded as being killed by emergence of Daolord Chimerical Alchemist. Lifespring lost.
Apprentice-Deputy Librarian Thanasis Andreadilis, Grand Archives of the Vice-Gerent

AN: Inspired by the latest update. What might life and cultivation be like on another great beast?
 
Iskander Pallikari 6 - Flying
Iskander Pallikari 6 - Flying​

The bar known as the Barking Boatman was a famously rowdy establishment. Built in Da Wan, an old city near the border between the Strength Purity Sect and the Sorrowful Blacksmith Sect, its walls were built of stone, as was much of the furniture. This had made it expensive to build and left it less comfortable than a wooden building. Indeed, sticking around in the cold dead of night in that poorly-insulated place was considered to be the mark of a true alcoholic, not a mere dabbler.

If you were to ask the establishment's owner why she would build a place like this in such an unorthodox way, she would give you a simple answer: it was made for Cultivators. Da Wan had no resources of its own, being mainly a manufacturing hub for materials mined in the mountains. Such materials would stop in Da Wan, be processed into goods, then shipped to the Strength Purity Sect, and so the city had a disproportionate number of Cultivator craftsmen. Mortals could be taught to work with Qi Condensation-level spiritual materials with some success, but to meet Strength Purity's massive demands, Cultivators were needed. This was not a place one commissioned for an incredible masterwork of craftsmanship, but one where you commissioned arms and armor for an entire army, or the tools to build an entire new town.

The uniting truth of all workmen is that they love a good drink after a hard day of fulfilling labor. The Boatman, one of the most popular bars in the city, was therefore patronized by over a thousand rowdy Qi Condensation-level Cultivators every single day, and was constructed to withstand said rowdiness. In fact, the chaotic atmosphere was practically advertised as part of the appeal. Should you tell someone you were visiting, Da Wan, a wild night at the Boatman would be one of the things they recommend you try.

The point being, Iskander had been well aware of the risks when he came to this place, accompanied by several comrades from the Plainswalkers. Granted a rare vacation after two years of difficult work, he'd intended to have as good a time as possible and refresh himself completely. Indeed, Iskander had been ready for things to get wild, or even slightly dangerous, because that was the entire point of coming to this kind of bar: to act like an animal.

What the young Legionnaire hadn't expected, though, was that it could get this bad.

In a far off corner of the bar, a large man beat on a smaller victim over and over, the violence mostly obscured behind his large frame. His blows were not the frenzied pace of a man fighting for his life or trying to win a contest of skill, but the slow and deliberate tempo of one delivering a punishment. Everyone else seemed to simply look away, making hushed conversation or just silently staring into their drinks, waiting for it to die down. Yes, bar fights happened in places like this, but that didn't look like a bar fight, it looked like a murder in progress - surely the owners would step in if it got this bad.

"Don't stare." A Legionnaire chided, knocking on the table to get Iskander's attention. Reluctantly, he tore his gaze away from the strange incident. "I told you the Boatman was bad news. Drink brings out your true self - barbarians get more barbaric."

"I think they're both Devils, actually." Said another, stealing a glance before turning away again and downing the rest of her cup. Iskander glanced again in turn - yes, the larger man did seem to have the skin and hair of a Golden Devil, and what little glances he caught of the smaller man showed the same. The bully's bulk and the horror of the situation in general had caused him to miss that at first.

"You think that's why they're not doing anything?" A third Legionnaire asked despondently, prompting a somber silence from all four of them.

That made an unfortunate amount of sense. The Golden Devils were in a politically precarious position at the moment; everyone knew that. Over and over again, they had assisted the Righteous Powers against the Demonic Alliance, to the point that it could be argued the Righteous Powers might not have had a chance to win the war by this point if it weren't for the many pivotal battles in which Devils had assisted them. And yet, a half-century ago, the Devils had used that good will to conquer the Jingshen Clan during a time in which the Righteous Alliance could not afford to intervene. With that business done, they had paid some small reparations to the Righteous Alliance and continued to offer assistance.

A blatant power play, alongside genuine help. Many in Strength Purity saw the Clan's continued status as an ally as a slap in the face. Many saw the Golden Devils as backstabbers, while many other saw the Jingshen as having been unworthy of the title of Righteous Sect in the first place and were glad to have them gone. At least the entire desert being under the control of a single power made things more efficient.

Not only were they controversial in a political sense, but they were also classed as a Demonic Clan. Their lives simply were not valued as much on average, and so, it was likely the owner of the bar felt an act of violence from one Devil to another was simply not something worth getting involved in one way or another. No one was going to do anything about this unless they absolutely had to.

Iskander sighed quietly, then got to his feet. "I'll do it." He said quietly.

This statement prompted looks of disbelief and concern from the others, who all stood in turn. "Don't do it, Iskander. It's not gonna go well." Said one.

"He was pounding them back earlier, he won't listen to reason." Said another.

"I'm not gonna just let him commit murder." Iskander shot back, shaking his head, before turning and striding across the stone floor toward the scene.

The man was not as brutish in appearance as Iskander had expected. He was large and muscular, sure, but his chiseled features and well-groomed beard didn't speak of the sort of dimwitted heavy drinker that he imagined he'd find, and the elaborate tattoos spiraling up and down his swollen arms only supported this notion. There was in fact a spark of intelligence in the man's eyes, if one that was drowning in booze a bit.

With his left hand, he held the smaller man up by his tunic and pounded his right fist into him over and over. The victim did his best to shield his face, but that didn't deter his attacker, who indiscriminately struck the chest, the flanks, the arms, and anything else he could reach. There wasn't any real strategy here, clearly. The big man simply wished to hurt this guy quite badly, and was doing so in a rather casual manner.

"Don't you think he's had enough?" Iskander asked, putting on as firm a voice as he could manage. The other Devil didn't acknowledge his voice, slamming a fist into his victim's gut which made one of his hands drop. Immediately, he struck the man's jaw, sending drops of blood flying out, two of which hit Iskander's face. "Come on, that's too much!" Iskander shouted, grabbing onto the big man's shoulder.

"Don't get involved." The man said in a smooth, deep voice. Iskander pulled, trying to get him to move, but he may as well have been trying to pick up a house. He realized immediately that it wasn't just down to size; this guy definitely had a higher cultivation base too. "He deserves it, so back off."

Unlike Iskander's own half-full Dantian, this man's was overflowing with energy. And yet, the stability Iskander was familiar with feeling from Ninth Heavenstagers wasn't there - that meant he was in the Eighth. Upon realizing this, he considered backing down as he'd been told. "You've already hurt him a lot, please stop this!" He shouted, prompting a scowl from the large man.

The patrons had been willing to ignore the commotion because none of them were willing to be the first to stand up for a Devil. Had it been a Righteous Cultivator being assaulted, they would have had more courage, but if the one being hurt was Demonic, then standing up for them just wasn't worth the risk to these people. Still, now that someone else had stepped into that unenviable position, they grew more bold, shouting at the big man to stop it and leave.

Veins began to stand out on the large man's head as he stewed with anger, and Iskander was scared he'd be swung at. After a moment, he let go of his victim, then whirled around to glare at the young swordsman instead. "I told you not to get involved, Junior. Now you've embarrassed me, and I can't let that slide!" He growled. "My name is Alexios Nikopoulos of the Silverine Bracers, and as the aggrieved party I challenge you to a duel. Name the time and place."

"Wait, wait, wait. I didn't mean–" Iskander stuttered, noticing the sudden quiet, as well as the eyes of everyone in the bar upon him. Shit, he couldn't say no with everyone watching, could he? He couldn't even let himself look like he was considering saying no. "Next mission is in seventeen days so, uh… t-two weeks? Yeah, two weeks!" He exclaimed, hoping he didn't look as freaked out as he looked.

Alexios crossed his tree trunk-like arms, looking thoroughly unimpressed. "And the place?"

Iskander wracked his brain for a location, any location, he could remember in Da Wan, still not fully processing what he had just done. "I dunno, by the river? Yeah, by the river, at sunrise! A-and my name is Iskander Pallikari of the Plainswalkers."

The giant nodded, his anger clear but contained, and left.

——

The following day, Iskander did everything he could to learn about the man he had so impulsively provoked. The Silverine Bracers kept their membership public for the most part, seemingly not having any secret elements to hide, which meant it wasn't too much trouble to simply look up information about Alexios on the Plainswalkers' portable Contribution Board terminal.

'Portable' was perhaps an exaggeration, considering the damn thing weighed five hundred pounds, but that was as small as anyone had managed to make one thus far. It had enough power to connect to the signal of the Contribution Board at the Dawn Fortress, but because of the distance, it took over several minutes to respond to a single command. This meant that the terminal was generally only accessed in urgent situations or to get paid. Good enough for Iskander, though, who would gladly spend an hour or two finangling this clunky hunk of glass and metal to learn about his opponent.

Alexios Nikopolous was an eighty-eight year old Legionnaire of the Silverine Bracers. He had served in that Legion for the past fifty years, and was in the Eighth Heavenstage, where he had been for the past nineteen. An above-average Cultivator, but his difficulty in the stage of Dantian Expansion perhaps suggested poor meridian quality.

Iskander was surprised to learn that his opponent was in fact an alchemist working for the Bracers' medical corps. A man that size, brewing pills? Maybe he did Body Arts and took his own medicine to bulk up. Still, if he was primarily a scholar of alchemy, that boded well, as his combat skills wouldn't be as polished as a frontline combatant's.

Still, he was eighty-eight, about three times Iskander's own age. At least, that sounded about right? Whatever, the guy had around six decades on him. Regardless of what his specialty was, the sheer difference in experience meant he would probably have more combat techniques than Iskander did, not less.

Okay, that was bad, very bad. Still, it wasn't 'the sun is exploding' type bad, the sort of bad you just had to survive. No, this was the sort of bad that could be fought back against. Step one: he needed the right weapon.

——

Lai Bohai had been painfully clear in the past that Iskander was not to get himself any kind of special enchanted weapon until he had killed five people, and thus fully understood the gravity of taking a human life up close. He'd intended to follow through on that agreement, he really had… but this was no longer the time to prioritize impractical acts of virtue. He needed a more effective weapon, or he was gonna get his ass kicked. Thankfully, being in a Heavenly Blacksmith city, he'd had plenty of options. Even if Da Wan wasn't the sort of place you'd go to commission a masterpiece, Iskander couldn't afford a masterpiece anyway - he just needed something better than the standard issue. And so here he was, browsing.

Weapon shops all ultimately looked the same, though in a competitive environment like this, many would use marketing gimmicks or unique set dressing to stand out. Building after building, the walls lined with weapons of all kinds, stretched out before Iskander's eyes like marbled cuts of meat before a dog. Any Weapon Artist worth their salt eventually fell in love with all weapons, not just the ones they wielded, and Iskander had done so almost right away. Lai Bohai had said that this was a good sign - to love weapons was to have a keen eye for them, and nothing was more important on the battlefield than a keen eye.

Spears fit to pierce through a boulder. Swords so sharp, the wind itself seemed to part before their edges. Axes that could split the ground and hammers that could shatter it. Bows that could shoot a hundred leagues and arrows that would fly straight the whole way. Some weapons included exotic materials, others were made with techniques built into their arrays. Iskander could stop and stare all day, and he kind of wanted to, but there just wasn't enough time.

Eventually, Iskander found himself drawn to a particular shop. It couldn't be said to contain the highest-quality works in Da Wan, but Iskander couldn't afford the highest quality. In terms of his own price range, this seemed like the best he could hope for. The place was old, the floorboards creaking beneath his boots and the paint on the walls smelling a bit funny. It had two floors, but he soon discovered that the second merely housed the discount items which the owner felt weren't worth displaying, and the first had the best stuff. Iskander's gaze soon found itself drawn to the swords, which took up an entire wall in their own right.

The shopkeeper, an old blacksmith with a gray beard and a scarred face, walked up to him and looked alongside him. "Good stuff, right? What are you looking for today?" He asked with a voice that sounded like a rockslide.

"Not totally sure." Iskander admitted, looking this way and that. "Something that'll turn the tables. I've got a fight coming up, and I'm the underdog."

"Something that'll take down an enemy stronger than you? In other words, a strong offense?" Asked the smith, nodding along.

"Yeah. And if it's got an array built in, it's gotta be something that won't burn me out too fast." Iskander explained, going over various ideas in his head. What about a sword enchanted with lightning, or one that could summon mighty cyclones, or one that could cut through space!? No, he didn't have the reserves to use something that flashy. "Oh, screw it, just give me a Flying Sword."

The smith cracked up at his resigned expression, guffawing a few times. "It's a classic for a good reason. An uncreative victory is still a victory, isn't it?"

"Guess so." Iskander sighed. "That's all I've got, so what would you recommend?"

The smith stood there quietly stroking his beard for a moment, then raised his hand to point at one sword in particular near the left edge of the wall. Iskander followed his motion and saw a single-edged sword with an unusual curve. The hilt was decorated with gold accents, and an array was carved along the side of the blade, but on the whole it wasn't overly flashy. After a moment of inspection, Iskander realized what it was he was looking at.

Though the dao saber was the most commonly used model of curved sword among the Optimatoi, some still swore by the kopis, a weapon of their own design. Rather than the curved backside of the dao saber, the kopis exhibited a straight backside and a curved front, which made it heavily weighted toward the farther-out half of the blade. This axe-like shape increased the chopping power of the weapon, but made it a little bit more fragile near the hilt than the dao saber, which meant Sword Artists often dismissed it in favor of a more low-maintenance weapon.

Iskander was the same, generally preferring to use the dao saber, and Lai Bohai had, in his life, favored straight-bladed longswords, though he told his pupil to use whichever model suited him the best, as the Saint of War Style worked fine with most kinds of swords. Thus, he would have let his gave pass over this kopis, if not for the fact that it was hung alongside several other Flying Swords, all of which were straight-bladed. "Why's this one curved?" He asked curiously.

"That type's becoming more popular these days." the smith explained, carefully removing the sword from the rack and presenting it Iskander, turning it this way and that to display every part of it. "The conduit arrays aren't aligned symmetrically, but that's the point. When you throw the sword, it spins, and the energy you put into it makes it spin faster, until it becomes like one giant circular edge. If the orthodox Flying Sword is a balance of attack and defense, then this is an attack-oriented Flying Sword."

An offensive Flying Sword? That could be just what he was looking for. He looked at the weapon more closely, observing its details and dimensions. It lacked the curved handle of the traditional kopis, which wrapped around the pinky and ring fingers. The weapon on the whole was also a bit under-sized, measuring two and a half feet in total length with a blade a couple inches short of two feet. "It's a bit small, and the hilt is straight." Iskander said. "Is that to help with throwing?"

The smith nodded appreciatively. "You've got a good eye for these things, kid. Yeah, the hilt's designed for throwing. Apparently, this model was thought up when its inventor realized that a kopis and a curved throwing knife have similar shapes. If it were any larger, it would be cumbersome to throw, regardless of the wielder's strength."

Iskander looked some more, imagining himself swinging the thing. How it would move, how it would cut, how it would rebound if it struck something hard. The first eight inches of the blade, he realized, were thicker and sturdier-looking than the standard kopis. Rather than a guard followed by a narrower stretch of blade, the guard was absent entirely, allowing the blade to start off broader. "Looks tough too. It could take a pretty good beating." He nodded appreciatively.

"You're damn right kiddo." The smith replied with grim satisfaction. "The guard's useless when the sword is in flight, so it's been done away with entirely to make the blade sturdier. A Flying Sword can't be fragile, since it's gonna crash into all sorts of stuff. On the other hand, not having a guard means it can't block as well; high risk, high reward."

A spinning Flying Sword, designed for offense and able to be thrown even if no qi was put in. On top of that, it could chop with power almost equal to an axe, while still allowing for thrusting attacks. This was exactly the trump card Iskander needed. He smiled giddily, the dread of his current situation beginning to melt away. "Alright, how much for this one?"

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"Last time I was awake, I had a student who didn't cause trouble, worked diligently, and was smart with his money." Lai Bohai mused, not bothering to hide his annoyance. "Now I wake up and I have a student who starts fights, disobeys my orders, and spends years' worth of savings on fancy toys. Iskander, have I transmigrated to a different timeline, or did you hit your head and lose half your brain?"

Iskander endured the tongue-lashing because, to be honest, he basically deserved it, and tried instead to focus his mind on the task before him. He stood, bare chested and covered in sweat, beneath a large mulberry tree, leaves glistening with moisture. It had rained less than an hour ago, and droplets frequently fell from the branches above him. Each time one fell, he attempted to cut it with his sword.

Though it could be interpreted as a cooldown exercise of sorts, since the swordsman had endured hours of grueling exercise before walking under the tree, this training was every bit as difficult as the rest of it, if not moreso. It was a traditional training exercise for the Saint of War style; striking the droplets as they fell honed a practitioner's ability to put their blade precisely where it was needed at precisely the right time. Mastering it was the key to developing both a perfectly unflappable defense and an irresistible counterattack.

The Saint of War Style didn't require large blades, only fairly sharp ones, and in fact was best served by a single one handed sword and a free offhand. The purpose was, in a word, efficiency: defending against powerful attacks while putting in only a fraction of the qi the opponent did. By concentrating the qi coating into one spot at the moment of impact, then releasing it in an outward burst, the practitioner could parry aside just about anything. They would stride across the battlefield like a saint, performing martial miracles with an unearthly calm.

Though the style focused on defense, the fact that it allowed the practitioner to turn away any weapon with just a one-handed sword meant that speedy counterattacks could be launched immediately after defending, quickly turning the momentum of a battle in their favor. Finally, the need to rapidly move around the qi coating their sword meant that simply training in the style promoted good qi control.

In that sense, Iskander was well equipped to face an opponent stronger than him, so long as he could read said opponent's moves well enough to intercept his attacks. The Eighth Heavenstage was twice as strong as the Fifth(not to mention the obvious gap in baseline strength between Iskander and Alexios), but enough precision could remove such an advantage. Alexios wasn't even a combat specialist: he was a crafter and an alchemist! However small it was, Iskander had a chance.

Finally, a droplet fell, in front of Iskander and to the right. He reacted with a horizontal forehand slash that landed right on target and felt immensely satisfying. "It's not great, I know. But will you please give me some encouragement here, Senior? Or maybe a secret technique that can bail me out?" He asked contritely.

"Secret techniques? None you could learn in two weeks, boy." Lai Bohai laughed. "And speaking of two weeks, it seems I won't be awake to see the duel. I'll cram in all the advice I can think of today, then. But first: why?"

"Why'd I pick a fight with Alexios?" Iskander asked, missing a droplet by just a hair. Reacting immediately, he quickly crouched down to intercept it lower on its descent. This time, he successfully hit it, then returned to a neutral stance. "I didn't, he forced me into the duel. I couldn't run away with everybody staring at me like that."

Lai Bohai's tone seemed completely unimpressed with that answer. "Why couldn't you? He's in the Eighth Heavenstage; it wouldn't be like turning down a challenge by an equal. You would lose a little bit of face, but so would he, for challenging someone three small realms below him."

Iskander was about to answer the ghost's question, only to see another droplet falling. He cut off his train of thought, focusing his entire mind on delivering an ascending diagonal slash. It landed, and the swordsman allowed himself a momentary feeling of triumph. "Okay, I guess I didn't want to run away. I was mad, I wanted him to leave that guy alone, I…"

He stopped again to take aim at another droplet, but swung too early, causing it to land on his wrist. If that was an enemy's sword, Iskander would have lost his right hand. "I don't have any one reason, Senior, it just felt right to fight." He sighed glumly.

"I'm sure you understand the difference between the Fifth Heavenstage and Eighth Heavenstage in an academic sense, but the reality isn't something you're prepared for." The ghost noted grimly, losing any sort of amused tone he had previously. "He has twice as much strength as you; twice. Although given how you describe the man, it's likely a lot more than twice. If you could bench press one ton, in the Fifth Heavenstage, you could bench two tons in the Eighth, and this motherfucker can probably bench four tons. Do you know what kind of difference that makes in a fight? He's faster too, and has deeper qi reserves..."

"Shouldn't you be encouraging your pupil right now?" Iskander grumbled.

Lai Bohai let out a bark of bark of haughty, sarcastic laughter. "Strategy comes first, encouragement second. You need to fully understand that gap you're trying to cross. Do you?"

"Well, I'm hoping you can help with that." Iskander shrugged.

"Hmph, I suppose I ought to. Well, good news: the strength and speed disadvantage you'll be facing is oppressive, but not impossible to overcome." The ghost explained, and boy did that slight amount of reassurance put some warmth back in Iskander's chest. "The gap in experience is what I'm more worried about. You won't be able to overcome his greater strength with pure skill alone. You'll need wit too."

And then it was gone again. "Well, I did pick up something that might be useful. Like I told you, I bought a new sword; it's sturdier than a standard issue Legionnaire weapon - more like something a Decanus would use." The young swordsman rambled on, hoping he might somehow convince himself to not be so nervous. "So I know I'll be able to hurt him at least?"

"Yes, yes, the new sword. Soon enough you'll be another mediocre swordsman obsessed with getting the highest quality blade possible." Lai Bohai replied dismissively. "Negating his toughness is indeed an important advantage. What does the new sword do?"

Iskander gulped, then spoke hesitantly. "Well, you see, it's sort of a… an enhanced sword that can attack at different sorts of angles? It–"

"You bought a Flying Sword, didn't you?"

"Yeah."

"After I specifically told you not to."

"Yeah."

"Without consulting me."

"You see, if I had consulted you, you would have said no."

"Because Flying Swords are shit!" Lai Bohai shouted, suddenly breaking out of the calm he had maintained thus far. "They're shit weapons for shit swordsmen! It's not even swordplay, you're just moving some shit around from a mile away, it… gah, whatever! What's done is done. Just don't get too reliant on it."

"Can you please just give me some advice?" Iskander groaned, before turning to slash another droplet.

"I'm just glad I stopped you from picking one up when you were an Aspirant." Muttered Lai Bohai, who was decidedly not done rambling and not ready to get to the advice yet. "The Flying Sword isn't practical at all before the Fourth Heavenstage; you just don't have enough qi or qi control before then to make one worth using. An actual telekinesis specialist could perhaps make use of one at the Third, but those are very rare."

"You ever know one of those, Senior?" Iskander asked, trying to cut two nearly-simultaneous droplets one after the other and only managing to get one..

The ghost hemmed and hawed for a bit, fumbling around through millennia of memories as if his mind were a disorganized bag. "A few, I suppose. They were potent in the right circumstances, but never amounted to much. It's too narrow a field of focus. I want to avoid that sort of thing with your training. It's been an hour, by the way. Three minute break, then it's time for speed training."

Finally done with this latest drill, Iskander walked out from under the tree and tossed his sword into the air. To pass the time, he tried doing some tricks with the spinning weapon, making it move in an elaborate pattern. When that was done, he almost tried catching it without looking, but found that he didn't yet have the nerve to do so. Instead, he slowly brought the sword to a halt a few feet from him, then reached out and grabbed it. "But weren't you pretty focused on the sword, Senior? You said you were a specialist." He asked.

"Mm, I was, but the sword can do a lot of things. You'll be a sword specialist too, but less so than me." Said Lai Bohai.

Iskander stopped, sheathing his Flying Sword and picking up the Wailing Conqueror from where it sat on a nearby rock to look it right in the… well, to look right at it. "What do you mean exactly, Senior? You said you would make me a sword master. Are you saying I can't do it?"

"You will be a sword master, just not a 'pure' one. I wasn't only a swordsman either, you know. You're not an insect, you're a human." Lai Bohai scoffed. "A man ought to have lots of skills, a Cultivator moreso. Besides, when it comes to your inherent instinct for sword fighting, you don't measure up to me."

A pit opened up in Iskander's stomach, and he went silent. After a moment, he slumped over and sat against the trunk of the mulberry tree, looking down at his hands. They'd grown quite rough in recent years from all the time they spent gripping swords or weights; were these not the hands of a Sword Artist?

"Eh? What are you doing, kid? It's time to start the speed training!" Lai Bohai asked incredulously. "I feel like I'm putting my foot in my mouth here. Even after eight thousand years, there are some things I just never pick up."

"Nah, you're right." Iskander sighed. "You were a Nascent Soul, and I'm really not anything special. It's blasphemy to compare myself to you. I just hoped… I dunno, I was just hoping that with your help, I could become pretty cool too."

Iskander had nothing that made him actually special; he had never been under any illusions to the contrary. Lai Bohai had latched onto him as his last hope, and it was for that reason alone that he was the old ghost's student. Most likely, he wouldn't even make it to the Eleventh Heavenstage, let alone anything in Foundation building, because he ultimately just didn't stand out. Even so, despite these things being obvious, hearing the words directly had stung in a way that caught Iskander completely off guard.

Lai Bohai made the sort of conflicted noise that Iskander had only ever seen old men make. As far as he could tell, that particular grunt translated to 'this young person is saying nonsense, but it's probably meaningful to them.' "Oh, come off it, boy. No one is 'cool' in Qi Condensation, you're just throwing around tiny sparks of qi. Really, Qi Condensation Cultivators are just mortals who have the potential to become more; no kind of spiritual center yet."

Iskander shook his head vigorously. "No, it's not that. I mean that… well, you said it yourself, right?" He sighed. "I don't got the kind of raw talent you have, the kind that makes a Nascent Soul."

"When did I ever say you didn't have talent, you nimrod!?" Lai Bohai shouted, shocking Iskander out of his momentary despair. "Raw talent this, inborn trait that, natural genius this, heaven-defying ability that, nobody ever shuts the fuck up about so-called talent! It's not real!"

"Not… real?" Iskander cocked his head, baffled. "What do you mean talent isn't real? A person with eyes is more talented at seeing than a person without eyes, aren't they?"

"That's not talent, it's a biological advantage! 'Talent' covers a thousand different factors, most of which can be manipulated in your favor. Your brain isn't as hard-wired for sword fighting as mine, so you will put more focus on secondary skills than I did. You're bigger and stronger than I was, so you'll use more Body Arts. I had a strong affinity for Water and Metal, but your best elements are Fire and Wood, so your foundational techniques will only get more different than mine." As Lai Bohai ranted on, he got faster and faster, until Iskander could barely keep up. "All of these things must be accounted for, but all you wanna hear about is 'raw talent'. I fought prodigies who understood the sword better than I did plenty of times in my life, and you know what I did? I beat them because I was smarter, because I figured out their weaknesses, because I cheated, because I had more experience, and on and on! Is Alexios gonna put his foot up your ass because he's 'talented', or because he's got a foot, a hundred pounds and three Heavenstages on you?"

Iskander stood up, backing away from the sword hilt as if it were about to start smacking him upside the head. "Okay, okay, I'll stop talking about talent, I'm sorry!"

"Don't be sorry! It's not your fault; how could a child like you know any better, when that meaningless word is all anyone in this world wants to talk about?" Something in the air seemed to change as the ghost finally paused his rant for a moment, and though the Wailing Conqueror had no eyes, Iskander knew for sure that Lai Bohai was looking at him in a way he rarely ever did. "If you try to become a copy of me, you'll be an inferior version. If that means you're 'untalented', then the thing you're untalented at is 'being Lai Bohai'. I'm not here to make you a shitty version of Lai Bohai, I'm here to make you the best version of Iskander Pallikari. Work your ass off, follow my teachings, and never say the words 'raw talent' to me again, and you'll succeed in the end. Do you understand?"

Iskander felt a blazing determination spark in his chest. If someone as great as his teacher could believe in him that much, then he had nothing to fear at all. "Yes, Senior!" He shouted, getting back to his feet and slashing through another droplet without even turning to look.

—-

This was supposed to be a single chapter, but the length quickly got away from me and work got very, very busy. So, since I don't know when the rest of this is going to be ready to post, I decided to instead split the little story into two parts.

This… I guess it's a mini-arc, now, not a chapter. But either way, it technically serves two purposes. The first is to set up something down the line which previously was up to the whims of Iskander's fate roll. I've now laid enough narrative groundwork that I can transition into that plot more easily under most potential fates. The second was to try and solidify, both for myself and for the audience, how Iskander fights.

As I've stated before, Iskander is the opposite of Gaius in many ways, and one of those ways is that he himself is not inherently super gifted at anything. Gaius, on the other hand, is a character who can excel at most things because he is metaphysically cheating via a superhumanly strong, artificially enhanced will and an extremely deep connection to his Dao. Iskander's narrative is one that is far more skeptical of the idea of inherent gifts. As Lai Bohai states, the word "talent" covers so many different things that it is effectively useless.

Iskander is, in a sense, an underdog in a way that Gaius will never be. His style is one built on careful strategy, calculated risk-taking and unorthodox moves. If pure swordplay won't get him the win then he'll throw all sorts of random bullshit at you until something works. There is a sort of Joseph Joestar energy to him in that sense - the roguish hero who booby-traps the battlefield ahead of time and isn't afraid to look like a clown as long as it gets him the W.

Man, I sure keep stumbling into more things to write after running out of things I can write, don't I? Thank god for the Teaching Juniors bonus, if there was no indication that Iskander would even make it out of Junior Aspirant there'd be hardly anything at all to explore.
 
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