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Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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    • Garlak said:
    I don't think he's going to be using Blood Path -- if for no other reason than because the Blood Path didn't exist as a thing until the Soup Chef created it, so...
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    The Dead Turtle created the Blood Path, actually, when he consumed the vast majority of his children. Soup Chef just pried open the space that was already there.

    Pretty sure he'll be using his own cultivation techniques and lore, whatever that happens to entail. He's certainly not going to be cribbing off the notes of someone as low in Comprehension as Soup Chef. I don't know how fast he's going to be able to advance, but it won't be slow.

    Oh... and the Will Opposing now has a Spirit Severing cultivator supporting it. That's... likely to be significant all by itself.
     
    Well well The Golden Devil has awoken once more. To echo those that came before, we now have a Spirit Severing senior going on an enthusiastic walk. Heaven is going to have indigestion to nightmarish extents.
     
    I wonder what Manuel is going to say about all this next council meeting. He's probably gonna keep it secret for now honestly, especially with the new person on the council, but it would be very fun to see people's reactions to this whole sequence of events lol.
     
    Wiggy said:
    I wonder what Manuel is going to say about all this next council meeting. He's probably gonna keep it secret for now honestly, especially with the new person on the council, but it would be very fun to see people's reactions to this whole sequence of events lol.
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    Well the knowledge that we have a sprint severing ally that is due back within a hundred year would give us a certain amount of diplomatic leverage.
     
    fictionfan said:
    Well the knowledge that we have a sprint severing ally that is due back within a hundred year would give us a certain amount of diplomatic leverage.
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    Even if the other powers were to somehow find out what happened in this pocket dimension, and actually believe it* remember that a Spirit Severing in the third sea is doomed to a pretty quick and unpleasant death due to the lack of qi. Heaven definitely hasn't started sending enough down for them to support themselves.

    So no I doubt this will give us much diplomatic leverage. That said, Manuel is still getting all the "WAS THIS YOUR PLAN ALL ALONG" memes added to his rep, due to the Trials apparently doing nothing and us marching into Yuan.

    Incidentally this is the second time in a row that Golden Devils have basically ignored their traditional weakness of the trial period.

    *Nascent defeating Spirit Severing is basically classed as impossible to most. Plus no one in the third sea has ever seen a spirit severing cultivator.
     
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    Also its quite possible that the Heavenly ban on the historical visions Manuel experienced applies here and he may not be able to explain what happened in this pocket space.
     
    One big implications of this is that there is no point in preparing for a next hundred years trial. Either they are going to be cancelled due to the 5th sea no longer existing or irresistible because they invaders will be killing us not for karma, but to get rid of a terrible threat.

    No point in making just weak enough forts anymore.
     
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    Humbaba said:
    Even if the other powers were to somehow find out what happened in this pocket dimension, and actually believe it* remember that a Spirit Severing in the third sea is doomed to a pretty quick and unpleasant death due to the lack of qi. Heaven definitely hasn't started sending enough down for them to support themselves.
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    Yeah.

    While I bet Heraclius could find a way to work around that, what with his whole "I can do what you, Sage Bhrigu, do with a tiny fraction of the qi" schtick, nobody would know or believe that.

    Incidentally this is the second time in a row that Golden Devils have basically ignored their traditional weakness of the trial period.
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    True.

    Last time it was done by sheer force of asskicking on our part, which has probably happened before and is at least precedented in the Clan's history.

    But this time? Everyone's like "wait what the hell." :D

    fictionfan said:
    One big implications of this is that there is no point in preparing for a next hundred years trial. Either they are going to be cancelled due to the 5th sea no longer existing or irresistible because they invaders will be killing us not for karma, but to get rid of a terrible threat.
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    Hmm, I think we should postpone drawing that conclusion until we have more information. Much better to be prepared and not to need it than to be unprepared and wish we hadn't.
     
    fictionfan said:
    One big implications of this is that there is no point in preparing for a next hundred years trial. Either they are going to be cancelled due to the 5th sea no longer existing or irresistible because they invaders will be killing us not for karma, but to get rid of a terrible threat.

    No point in making just weak enough forts anymore.
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    Unlikely, Heraclius only has 2-300 more years in him as a will, but if he wants to do as much damage as possible he's going to slow roll that for maximum damage, likely at the 25th turn aka the last turn and tipping point.
     
    Thanks Heraclitus for one of the most backhanded "not bad kid" I have even seen.

    Anyway is he even capable of coming back back? Since the third sea is kind of shit for qi and i doubt his upkeep would be low.
     
    I would say as a note Heraclius is exceedingly strong but he's also a ghost, a set of memories from a long, long-dead man. He thought he was alive briefly, before coming to the realisation later on that he wasn't. He's unlikely to simply stop the Trials, if in part because we know there are other greater powers out there (Sages, World Fusion whales and Dao Protectors of the Turtle Children) who might smack him down. Expect him to have a plot impact, but he's following his own personal plan for what needs to be done, he's not operating on a 'for the good of the Clan!' basis.

    If every single member of the Clan died but he was able to seize the Qi Spring of the Turtle Emperor he'd consider that an exceedingly good trade.
     
    Robotninja said:
    Not really. Honestly, I would consider that worth it too. Stopping industrial scale usage of sentient beings as nothing but cattle in exchange for our lives is a worthy trade.
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    Ehh, stopping that is good, but at the cost of the deaths of all of its victims, instead of saving said victims is better probably? But still not really good. Seems it'd be worthwhile to try and find a way to handle it without causing that effect.

    Sidenote - guarantied reincarnation in a cultivator world is freaking terrifying. You get married to the love of your life, and the two of you settle down and have a child. The day finally comes that the child is born, but it doesn't cry out its first breaths, calmly reaching towards its mother and latching on to get nutrients as quickly as possible from this otherwise worthless being that bore it. The child you spend years trying for and months waiting anxiously but proudly for actually looks nothing like either of you. It "learns" quicker than it should. It doesn't act like a child. And eventually you attempt to tell it no, and with some strange magic beyond your understanding it freezes you in place and orders you to do whatever it wants. It effectively takes over your lives as this beautiful thing you had hoped to share with your partner becomes a nightmare. An ancient cultivator who cares not for such pathetic and puny mortals proceeds to eke out what small pittances of advantage it can out of you before moving on. Maybe leaving you alive, assuming you haven't pissed it off to much attempting to be a parent to an ancient monster. Just, no. that's creepy as hell.
     
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    Yeah, that'd be horrible.

    On the other hand, it's also extremely rare compared to the people who reincarnate in the normal sense, that is to say, not with the intact memories of some ancient sociopathic monster.

    The scenario you describe is horrible, but there are a lot of horrible things in the world (especially in a cultivation world), and I'm not thinking that "everyone is eaten like cattle upon the event of their death" is worth the price of ensuring that this never happens.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    On the other hand, it's also extremely rare compared to the people who reincarnate in the normal sense, that is to say, not with the intact memories of some ancient sociopathic monster.
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    As an interesting piece of information from Discord, I'd like to note that in the Imperator's World, you need to be minimum Foundation level before you die to be able to reincarnate because he only has so much energy to spare.

    Dude has a Qi Spring, but his output is finite.

    This means 99% of all reincarnators are going to be former Foundation level cultivators, who aren't exactly Ancient Old Monsters that are completely divorced from mortal life, especially considering cultivation is multiple times faster in the Imperator's World (and therefore the stage is easier to achieve.)

    Of that 1%, 99% are Core, and of that 1% of that 1%, 99% are Nascent, and so on and so forth. The usual ratio, basically.

    Occipitallobe — 12/22/2022 8:10 AM
    Realistically if you don't make it to Foundation Establishment you probably don't reincarnate in the Imperator's world.
    But the Imperator is very weak.

    A stronger Life Step has a higher output, and can set the bar for reincarnation lower as a consequence.

    So, if you go to a person who's stronger than the Imperator's world, you'd see everyone who reaches QC reincarnating, and so on and so forth.
     
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    jjffjhjf said:
    Ehh, stopping that is good, but at the cost of the deaths of all of its victims, instead of saving said victims is better probably? But still not really good. Seems it'd be worthwhile to try and find a way to handle it without causing that effect.

    Sidenote - guarantied reincarnation in a cultivator world is freaking terrifying. You get married to the love of your life, and the two of you settle down and have a child. The day finally comes that the child is born, but it doesn't cry out its first breaths, calmly reaching towards its mother and latching on to get nutrients as quickly as possible from this otherwise worthless being that bore it. The child you spend years trying for and months waiting anxiously but proudly for actually looks nothing like either of you. It "learns" quicker than it should. It doesn't act like a child. And eventually you attempt to tell it no, and with some strange magic beyond your understanding it freezes you in place and orders you to do whatever it wants. It effectively takes over your lives as this beautiful thing you had hoped to share with your partner becomes a nightmare. An ancient cultivator who cares not for such pathetic and puny mortals proceeds to eke out what small pittances of advantage it can out of you before moving on. Maybe leaving you alive, assuming you haven't pissed it off to much attempting to be a parent to an ancient monster. Just, no. that's creepy as hell.
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    Ah, so I guess we finally have Anthony Fremont's(The Twilight Zone: It's a Good Life) backstory.
     
    Simon_Jester said:
    Yeah, that'd be horrible.

    On the other hand, it's also extremely rare compared to the people who reincarnate in the normal sense, that is to say, not with the intact memories of some ancient sociopathic monster.

    The scenario you describe is horrible, but there are a lot of horrible things in the world (especially in a cultivation world), and I'm not thinking that "everyone is eaten like cattle upon the event of their death" is worth the price of ensuring that this never happens.
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    Sure, stopping that is important I agree. But also, infinite reincarnation is weird and squicky on its own because like... when would a new soul have a chance to happen? Populations grow over time in the right conditions but with cultivator battles going on regularly? I don't think the numbers would grow enough, and especially on the time-scales involved with cultivator stuff like this? There'd be way more dead folks waiting for their next chance to reincarnate than new souls being made and getting added to the cycle. Unless there was something regulating the ratios or something like that? But if such a thing existed, cultivators would try and kill/subvert it.
     
    jjffjhjf said:
    Sure, stopping that is important I agree. But also, infinite reincarnation is weird and squicky on its own because like... when would a new soul have a chance to happen? Populations grow over time in the right conditions but with cultivator battles going on regularly? I don't think the numbers would grow enough, and especially on the time-scales involved with cultivator stuff like this? There'd be way more dead folks waiting for their next chance to reincarnate than new souls being made and getting added to the cycle. Unless there was something regulating the ratios or something like that?
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    At all times, naturally.

    The expansion of the Qi output of the TFR means the expansion of the world itself, which gives more room for more people to be present.

    Reincarnation costs Qi to fuel, and as such, traditionally you need to reach a certain threshold of Dao insight within a lifetime in order to have the cost paid for you, hence why Heraclius mentioned that a reward for Manuel may be getting infinite retries on the Imperator's World.

    Everyone else who is born has to have a new soul.
     
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