Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Year ? - The Beginning
The Beginning -

Manuel felt himself drawn in. As he slept, his dreams were fitful, and when he awoke, he remembered.

He was Heraclius Sarantapechos, Threefold Lord of the Imperator. A servant and general, and one of the strongest men under his liege's command who aided him in the Beastwar. He commanded the massive iron vessel the Imperator had forged, containing endless cultivators and bearing massive armaments. At the centre of it all, he stood, watching them all scurry about as they prepared for combat.

The massive iron ship was better described as a sphere than a true vessel. It was larger than any world that Heraclius or any of his force contained within them, sufficient to contain invasion forces capable of taking over an entire world. It was absurd, able to retain its size even when oppressed by the world they were entering.

Heraclius was nervous. As they prepared to breach the entry into the Turtle Emperor's dantian, that which contained his world and all within it, he began to think.

They hurtled towards oblivion or victory, and Heraclius continued to think, creating tiny pearls of thought interwoven with what some of the men had named the Shadowed Heaven. It was not a Heaven, of course, merely an opposing will, capable of seizing the mind of the being they fought and rendering it subservient to his master.

Heraclius continued weaving his complex web of thoughts, condensing them down to where they were mere words containing no pathos, conveying no ethos. Even the logos that ruled his inner world was left wanting. They were just words, echoes of sound that even a mortal could comprehend.

Attempting to do so was difficult for him, but this small amount of time set aside would perhaps pay off.

If he were a more arrogant man, he would have said he predicted the future. As it was, he knew he was just using his mastery of his own time and Qi to predict possible timelines, to simulate the worlds and conflicts that could be, not those that certainly would. Seeing into your world's own future was possible and quite easy unless one involved a Dao Seeker or one who stood at Law Creation or above, and his own world was nearly empty.

After all, he possessed no Life Spring.

As he looked ahead, he spoke, each word sounding in the web of connections that made up the Will Opposing. The experience would be stored there, released only to the correct person.

"There are to my mind three possible futures. The first, and mostly likely is that we win in some sense - either we damage the beast sufficiently that it is easily killed and we are then able to take its Life Spring. The second is equally simple. We are slain, we are scattered, and the turtle Emperor then continues on much as he did before. The last of the most complex in the most concerning, we do not defeat the emperor yet he does not defeat us. In this case we would require some measure taken to perhaps guarantee us or at least aid us in victory. This is that measure."

Heraclius took a deep breath.

"You must know the truth of why we came here, what we seek to do, and what the consequences are for failure."

He gestured to the iron shell around him.

"Everything we have is given by the Imperator, for he possesses a Life Spring. The name is apt - all life flows from a Life Spring, except for the unnatural life of the Dao Lords. The very air we breathe - what the barbaroi call Qi and what we name Pneuma flows from such Springs. Without it we cannot exist. They are the only precious thing in a vast universe, and seizing a Life Spring will let us raise another of our number to the Life Step of the Threefold Revival Stage. In time a cultivator can increase the power and flows of their Life Spring, and eventually split it off to allow others to gain entry into the Life Step."

"This sits amidst the war that has torn the cosmos apart. It is named the Beastwar, and uncountable trillions of humans and Beasts have died already, as have those who live within their worlds."

He rubbed his hands together, thoughtful.

"We began the Beastwar, but we are not winning it. Our unthinkably clever strategy was turned against us in a sense, and what was once merely a hunt for Life Springs has led to the annihilation of uncountable worlds, uncountable cultivators. I am a proud servant of the Imperator, yet even the Imperator bows to a greater power. Yet even the Autokrator - the woman who stands at the very top of human existence - even she is losing."

He sighed.

A memory became real for a moment, and around Heraclius a peculiar set of images sprang up, each attempting to show something that was clearly a grand truth beyond human knowledge with mere image, sound, and floating seas of mathematical equations.

What was mere words became reality, as a massive wall of concepts embodied by fractal pieces of space, ever-descending, ever-repeating as hordes of creatures assaulted it, tens of thousands lost forever as they were shrunk into nothing, the impossible tangle of absurd unreality leading more beasts into an area they saw as accessible, massive lions flanked by equally huge beetles, crows flying above and fish swimming below - all this becoming smaller and smaller with each passing moment as they advanced, yet never truly moving forward.

After a moment that stretched into millions of years, the army of creatures stopped their advance, and began to assault the wall, the fractal thing beginning to warp and become less predictable under the strain of such an army, two-dimensional lines searing through nth-dimensional space and slicing men who were themselves worlds in two, killing thousands of defending human cultivators.

As the massive mathematical construct began to fail, and the logic of numbers themselves started to dissolve, a man amidst the army suddenly. He gestured grandly, and an array of clocks flew out across the battlefield, each spinning slower and slower until they stopped, locking the creatures within a moment of time, before that moment simply lost purchase on the rest of the universe and was gone forever.

A few surviving humans looked on in awe, thirty or forty from the very edges of their formation, the weakest among them. The man did not speak, but in a single moment he disappeared, and the wall that had been so badly damaged was rejuvenated to its prior state.

Heraclius spoke in a lecturing tone.

"The Imperator is one of the few remaining human cultivators defending this portion of existence. We were attacked by millions of Beasts, had Dao Lord Timeless not slain them the reality-wall we erected would've been overrun, and the defending force - myself included - would have been butchered. From there, the beginning of the end would have come rapidly enough."

"Amidst all this, a single Life Spring likely means little to you, but this is true preciousness. Whoever controls a Life Spring controls the world it springs from, and the myriad peoples who live upon it. Unlike the Beasts, we do not create humans to feed our ethos. We create them because we are human, and we seek to make others like us. We slew the Beasts for their Springs, so I suppose in a sense we are no better than them. But know that whether they or we are the worst, if we lose we will all be slaves, or dead. If we win we will likely continue to hunt them, but we are beyond peace now."

Heraclius looked, as the sphere neared an intangible barrier perhaps he alone on this vessel could detect.The barrier of the world to him looked like the massive eye of a turtle, eyelid blinking desperately downwards even as the sphere of iron flew even more quickly, aiming to dart up under the eyelid and into the eye itself.

A teardrop flew from the eye, aiming to entangle the sphere, but it flew to one side, dodging left and right around it, avoiding all the defenses that had been set before it. Heraclius breathed in, his will empowering the sphere, moving it more quickly. He spoke more quickly, now.

"Whatever monstrous things we do in this world, know that they are justified. Not one human here would seize life eternal, not one would even reincarnate, shackled as they are by their fearful slavemasters. Even we enter this world knowing we exit the cycle of reincarnation, sheltered as we were by the Imperator's gentle hand. If we die here, we die in truth, and forever. If we win, we seize a Life Spring - one more soldier for the armies of the Autokrator, the Vice-Gerent of Creation itself. One more chance to hold the line."

Heraclius took a measured breath.

"I tell you this not as justification but for understanding. If you are in the far future and weak, perhaps only Law Creation or merely Spirit Severing, perhaps you forgot our purpose as well. We are losing, descendants of the Army. The existence of human beings within this world proves my words to you - if we lose, the Beasts will never again permit us to be a threat to them. They will cage us within them and their understanding will continue to grow, defying logos and ethos themselves."

With that, the sphere struck the eye, and disappeared. It reappeared inside a world, a massive sea upon which floated ninety-nine baby turtles.

Heraclius was thrown out onto the battlefield of another world. The rawest manifestation of physical Laws struck at him, but they did not truly matter. He was above the Law of another, and so disregarded it. Spun from the firmament they denied his life, yet he lived. They denied his access to Qi, yet he took what he willed. They denied the space around it and consumed it into nothing, and he walked free from a tangle of space and time that would have obliterated a lesser cultivator.

This and more he wove into the skein of the Will Opposing, memories of techniques and fights and glories that even a Law Creation cultivator would be able to absorb, things that such a cultivator could use to rise above and fight against the world itself. Methods to break the time of a world, to ravage space. Even some lesser legacies for the Spirit Severing cultivators, methods to temper their souls and to begin stepping on the path of comprehending Law, to avoid the tiresome entanglements of Earth and Heaven that would prevent you from reaching the Law if you took one step in the wrong direction unknowingly, or took an incorrect one.

Another fraction of a second passed, and he considered lesser legacies before dismissing them as pointless. If they were reduced to nothing more than Nascent Souls the battle would simply be lost, such a future was not truly worth contemplating. A Threefold memory would likely scramble the mind of such a weak cultivator in any case.

"If we are losing but have not lost, it is because the Will Opposing is positioning itself to strike. Know that it is only a thing of Law and Qi. It obeys commands given to it, but cannot conceive of new ones itself, and to direct it correctly across the ages if it has failed is beyond me. The Heaven that opposes it will be directed by thoughts and commands, but the Will Opposing will function merely on the predictions I have made. They cannot last forever, and they will eventually fail."

Heraclius closed his eyes.

"If it has come to this, the fate of the Sea-Conquering Army and the Life Spring is now in your hands. You must find the Will Opposing, and command it yourself. With its power in hand, you may yet be able to destroy the Heaven of the Turtle Emperor, and seize the Life Spring. I cannot imagine what drives you in the far future, a mortal who lives with the span of a gnat. To connect with the Will Opposing you must comprehend my Dao, my ethos, and so you must be like me in some small way."

This was said emotionlessly, for Heraclius did not in truth believe any of this would come to pass. There would be no need for it, merely a potential hedge against failure.

"No matter what you fight for, it will be lost if you do not seize the Will Opposing. Find it, and unleash it once more. If you have survived, the world will be weak enough for it to work."

With that, his speech ended, and Heraclius awoke with a start. He felt at himself desperately, his body old, twisted, weak. His cultivation was gone! Why was he trapped in the body of some ancient Nascent Soul? His breath became terrified, and he shook as he remembered. Yes, he was Manuel. Yet his life as Manuel felt so much less real than his moments as Heraclius, as though Manuel had been the dream and Heraclius the man.

For many weeks beyond that his former name often drifted out of memory, Heraclius insistent where Manuel had been, the memory of being a Threefold Revival cultivator far more potent than the old, ailing memories made by the paper-thin recollections of a Nascent gnat. Even then, he simply lied, the brilliance of the man he truly was making it easy to pretend to be this cultivator in the eyes of his subordinates, deceiving them for months that soon turned into years.

It would be simple enough, surely. Simply cultivate back up to Threefold Revival, slaughter the natives who opposed him, seize the Will Opposing and finish what he had begun so many years ago.

He had almost finished planning this out when the bells of the Trials began to toll.

Manuel isn't dead.
 
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It seems like we part companies with the ancient Sea Conquering Army as far as Win Conditions go, since we "only" want to make a fair Heaven where evil is punished and justice rewarded (and to a lesser extent where all beings can coexist). Certainly don't wish to destroy (a) Heaven, no matter the prize at offer.

Thing is. If we lost the Beastwar, but succeeded in this objective, then we can at least preserve a remnant of humanity that is free? (We have no reason to believe this Life Spring will make or break things here)

Also. Dao Seekers. Unnatural life (and an escape from this limitation). Single Pillar. World collapsing.
So that's the end game of the Soup Chef.
But do we want people like Gaius (considering his instability) winning this particular prize?
(Especially the Single Pillar Path forging a certain type of person due to the sheer conflict and resolution required to finish it)
 
It seems like fun times are ahead of Heraclius-Manuel survives the Trials without having to heroically sacrifice himself. We could really be in a position to overturn the board in a way Heaven's Chosen can't counter.

If he can blaze the trail back to Threefold Revival then the Good Seeds can follow him.

It seems like we part companies with the ancient Sea Conquering Army as far as Win Conditions go, since we "only" want to make a fair Heaven where evil is punished and justice rewarded (and to a lesser extent where all beings can coexist). Certainly don't wish to destroy (a) Heaven, no matter the prize at offer.

Thing is. If we lost the Beastwar, but succeeded in this objective, then we can at least preserve a remnant of humanity that is free? (We have no reason to believe this Life Spring will make or break things here)

If we lose the Beastwar, why would the Beasts allow a Heaven that we've subverted to make 'fair' continue to exist. What stops the other Beasts from reformating it to keep all the humans within slaves? We'd all live at their whim, as they could deny us the benefits of the Lifespring at will. They wouldn't want a world with free humans who could rise to contend with them again to exist.

That also damns all the countless humans outside this one particular world to extinction or slavery. One Lifespring quite probably could make a difference between victory and defeat. We don't know what the margin of victory is.

Given that our current Heaven doesn't seem to be fully sapient, just another echo of an ancient Will, I don't see there being any problem with destroying it and seizing the Lifespring.
 
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This is why I like the direction I wound up going with Aretaphila and her [Heaven-Shaking Song]

If she would succeed, she might be able to overturn a lot of things should be manage to integrate the Heaven-Seizing with the nature of her own Dao.
 
It seems like we part companies with the ancient Sea Conquering Army as far as Win Conditions go, since we "only" want to make a fair Heaven where evil is punished and justice rewarded (and to a lesser extent where all beings can coexist). Certainly don't wish to destroy (a) Heaven, no matter the prize at offer.
If nothing else, apparently human souls are cast into oblivion instead of reincarnating while we're within the turle world, so, that's kinda unfortunate. But since getting someone to spirit severing ends the quest as I recall, what we do once we break free of the tyranny of Heaven is probably beyond the scope of anything but maybe an epilogue.
 
These interludes and the quest so far have succeeded IMO in establishing scale even better in what is a Cultivator World, and the rarer thing of making "the weakest of the weakest of the ..." believable and with stakes on every level of the chain, where the lower levels seemingly don't matter but yet they do.

And honestly the implications of this universe work just fine if the genre was horror, so good writing that

E: On a tangent:
Be tiny Nascent Soul - needs to think and put in effort to overwhelm those below them in cultivation

Be woke Threefold cultivator - just needs to think to set in motion a Law Creation+(+?) plan and give it the abilities to match
(And can also overwhelm Nascent Souls with just their memory, somehow)
 
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These interludes and the quest so far have succeeded IMO in establishing scale even better in what is a Cultivator World, and the rarer thing of making "the weakest of the weakest of the ..." believable and with stakes on every level of the chain, where the lower levels seemingly don't matter but yet they do.

And honestly the implications of this universe work just fine if the genre was horror, so good writing that
Manuel is one of the most cunning and powerful men in the entire region! ...which is a relatively small part of the extremely weakest of 99 continents in the *dantian* of a moderately powerful warrior in a war for all reality that is utterly incomprehensible for even the footsoldiers fighting on the front lines, let alone gnats like us. Yikes. Some perspective.
 
Manuel is one of the most cunning and powerful men in the entire region! ...which is a relatively small part of the extremely weakest of 99 continents in the *dantian* of a moderately powerful warrior in a war for all reality that is utterly incomprehensible for even the footsoldiers fighting on the front lines, let alone gnats like us. Yikes. Some perspective.
...and to those cultivators, the entire history of the Clan would be considered just the most recent phase of a single battle.
 
Possibly the worst thing here is that Heraclius didn't overwrite Manuel deliberately. He just neglected to build a legacy dumbed down enough that a Nascent Soul could comprehend it safely as he didn't think the remnants of the Army would survive if their leaders' strength fell that far.

If Manuel had somehow made it to Spirit Severing this would have just been an amazingly fortuitous opportunity.

Edit: also, if Manuel does somehow survive the Trials I wonder if his lecturing juniors action would be greatly improved.
 
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... It occurs to me that the young master from the other continent is about to try to murder Manuel in the Trial Duels... while Manuel is being piloted by a hilariously skilled and knowledgeable ancient cultivator. Sure, he's shackled to Manuel's limited constitution and lacking cultivation, but I half expect he's gonna swat this kid like a bug.
 
... wow.
This is ... Big.
Had we got the beginning at the time of the last cannibal war in the desert.... We might have agreed with AL's offer afterwards...

Now though?
I can't wait to see what Manuel, piloted by the remnants of Herakleius will do with what Manuel has on him... Not to mention the spear...
 
Ultimately, this changes nothing. The only thing that really changes is that we know the prize we win for beating the final boss. The Qi Spring of the Turtle Emperor is our final prize, and the final objective for the Optimatoi.

Heraclius' earlier words indicate that he's almost certainly True Dead, with no hope of reincarnation and restoration given that he died outside of the Imperator's World and so isn't bound by that cycle of reincarnation - he's bound by the cycle of the Turtle Emperor, which eats human souls for Dao Comprehension. While I'm sure there are fetters of him leftover - the current thing happening to Manuel, for instance - the First Archgetes is gone. However, with this he has given us the shape of victory and the shape of defeat.

We're on a time limit. Seize control of Heaven's Shadow before Heraclius' final instructions run their course, or we lose what protection we have left and become cogs in this dying machine. Either we seize the Qi Spring and break free of the Turtle Seas, returning to a War against Nature that we are not winning but we must fight anyways - or fail and clap shackles around our necks, allowing ourselves to become cattle for divine beasts to consume at their leisure, stealing our comprehension and our experiences to fuel their own Cultivation.

H y p e
 
Fantastic chapter Occiptiallobe!

"If we are losing but have not lost, it is because the Will Opposing is positioning itself to strike. Know that it is only a thing of Law and Qi. It obeys commands given to it, but cannot conceive of new ones itself, and to direct it correctly across the ages if it has failed is beyond me. The Heaven that opposes it will be directed by thoughts and commands, but the Will Opposing will function merely on the predictions I have made. They cannot last forever, and they will eventually fail."
Even beyond his belief that if we are reduced to Nascent souls alone death is inevitable, here I believe is another limit to Heraclius' vision. The turtle emperor too is dead. Perhaps if the will opposing was utterly wiped out heaven might eventually regather enough to put the turtle emperor back together, perhaps not.


If we lose the Beastwar, why would the Beasts allow a Heaven that we've subverted to make 'fair' continue to exist. What stops the other Beasts from reformating it to keep all the humans within slaves? We'd all live at their whim, as they could deny us the benefits of the Lifespring at will. They wouldn't want a world with free humans who could rise to contend with them again to exist.

That also damns all the countless humans outside this one particular world to extinction or slavery. One Lifespring quite probably could make a difference between victory and defeat. We don't know what the margin of victory is.

Given that our current Heaven doesn't seem to be fully sapient, just another echo of an ancient Will, I don't see there being any problem with destroying it and seizing the Lifespring.
We know that on the scale of the Beast War even the Imperator has as much impact as a single Qi Condensation on the clan scale. Hearclius was less than that, and I highly doubt he has the full picture.

It is possible he is entirely correct, but it is equally possible that his picture of the situation is extremely distorted and a product of propaganda. Certainly the Sea conquering army conducted many, many atrocities, and I highly doubt all of them were the only option. Ultimately even if Heraclius seems much like Altar Lord. He may ultimately have laudable goals, but there can be no doubt that the methods of the Sea Conquering Army were abhorrent to the people the clan is now.

I certainly wouldn't advocate for signing up with the "Vice-Gerent" sight unseen just because they claim to be fighting for humanity. Altar Lord makes the same claim after all, and no one is advocating the clan go full blood path. We have a very, very small picture of the beast war, I wouldn't take the idea that the situation is as black and white as this tries to paint as gospel.

Of course, all that is academic unless we survive to win in the first place.
 
Fantastic chapter Occiptiallobe!


Even beyond his belief that if we are reduced to Nascent souls alone death is inevitable, here I believe is another limit to Heraclius' vision. The turtle emperor too is dead. Perhaps if the will opposing was utterly wiped out heaven might eventually regather enough to put the turtle emperor back together, perhaps not.



We know that on the scale of the Beast War even the Imperator has as much impact as a single Qi Condensation on the clan scale. Hearclius was less than that, and I highly doubt he has the full picture.

It is possible he is entirely correct, but it is equally possible that his picture of the situation is extremely distorted and a product of propaganda. Certainly the Sea conquering army conducted many, many atrocities, and I highly doubt all of them were the only option. Ultimately even if Heraclius seems much like Altar Lord. He may ultimately have laudable goals, but there can be no doubt that the methods of the Sea Conquering Army were abhorrent to the people the clan is now.

I certainly wouldn't advocate for signing up with the "Vice-Gerent" sight unseen just because they claim to be fighting for humanity. Altar Lord makes the same claim after all, and no one is advocating the clan go full blood path. We have a very, very small picture of the beast war, I wouldn't take the idea that the situation is as black and white as this tries to paint as gospel.

Of course, all that is academic unless we survive to win in the first place.

Specifically.

The Turtle Emperor is Dead and reduced to a Will, but it's a Will with infinite Qi, so it can continue reacting to new stimuli, it just can't have any New Ideas. Do note though that even with all that, we were still Fucked, it's just the Soup Chef did a Thing and that ended up flipping the entire table again.

More importantly, this puts into context the refusal of the SCA's remnants to submit. Especially if the Shadow's been protecting our souls from being eaten. "We'll stop fighting, all you have to do is let us eat your souls when you die" is absolutely an unacceptable demand in that context.
 
'How' is the big problem. Unless having Heraclius' vestige will leave Manuel with some pointers about what to do, we're boned.
Heraclius' vestige already seems to have one advantage. It seems to have ways to self-correct and enter law creation even if you didn't go through 9th Pillar at FB.
Even some lesser legacies for the Spirit Severing cultivators, methods to temper their souls and to begin stepping on the path of comprehending Law, to avoid the tiresome entanglements of Earth and Heaven that would prevent you from reaching the Law if you took one step in the wrong direction unknowingly, or took an incorrect one.
This is good for Manuel and would be even better if we can get those recorded somewhere (which Heraclius' personality probably won't do but Manuel might if we can get him back in the driving seat and he can remember/comprehend them).
 
If you consider that the beasts eat human souls while they apparently would continue reincarnating without their intervention, the beasts are apparently continually perpetuating unspeakable atrocities, continually murdering the countless innocents who have the misfortune to live, die, and then be devoured and lose their eternal life in their domains.

From a cultivators' perspective, being eaten at the end of their first life means that most humans are eaten as infants, depending on whether some form of wisdom and enlightenment can be preserved across reincarnation.

The clan may consider some measures they would otherwise consider unacceptable atrocities when they're in the context of literally trying to save all humans' otherwise immortal souls from being consumed. In many ways, humans living inside a Beast are already condemned to have the lives of mayflies compared to what they should, so them dying very slightly earlier may not seem so bad when victory would mean them surviving for ever.
 
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Not gonna lie, seems like we're the bad guys from a 90s environmentalist cartoon. Might be a good time to make friends with the wildlife while the bulldozer gets overgrown by trees in the background.
 
Not gonna lie, seems like we're the bad guys from a 90s environmentalist cartoon. Might be a good time to make friends with the wildlife while the bulldozer gets overgrown by trees in the background.

Usually the wildlife isn't farming humans in order to devour their immortal souls.

It's like the pig trying to make friends with the farmer. It makes the farmer's life easier but doesn't stop the pig ending up in the pot.

Or, depending on how elder cultivators see humans who've lived out a merely mortal or sub-spirit severing life span, like making friends with the people who farm babies to eat them, while holding the babies hostage so that many of them die if you try to rescue them.
 
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Usually the wildlife isn't farming humans in order to devour their immortal souls.

It's like the pig trying to make friends with the farmer. It makes the farmer's life easier but doesn't stop the pig ending up in the pot.

Or, depending on how elder cultivators see humans who've lived out a merely mortal or sub-spirit severing life span, like making friends with the people who farm babies to eat them, while holding the babies hostage so that many of them die if you try to rescue them.
Clearly we need to find a way to veganize the beasts. Good luck with that though, not sure how exactly you could find an alternative for beasts, let alone convince them to do it.

Probably need the help of dragons, as I believe in Xianxia they sometimes work like beasts but with the wisdom of humans, so can be an intermediary.
 
So, kind of like I thought in a sense. This is indeed a war between Man and Beast. Some amount of this is a war over resources; just like the Jingshen and Golden Devil War. Competing priorities and enmities simply mean that one has to win and another has to lose. Some amount of this, however, is... more ideological than that. Because apparently the fate of human souls is involved here. Beasts feed off human Dao comprehension, and don't allow them to grow any stronger. Man hunt Beasts for their Beast Cores to cultivate off of. Though it's called a Life Spring now.

A lot of atrocities or giga-deaths happen to happen during the course of it but, well, that's war. And there are atrocities and there are atrocities. When you scale things up to the level of continents or worlds, a lot of people die, but it becomes somewhat like having to destroy an enemy fort or encampment, or kill a lot of an enemy army in order to get them to surrender. Except the humans in Beast-worlds probably can't surrender because they're tethers? Or perhaps wouldn't want to even if they could because it's still their house and they don't want to be evicted, even if a Cultivator 3 Realms higher than them could just wave their hands and move them elsewhere. I think where it becomes atrocious is when you do things that you don't have to, or when you fight a lower tier fight and then act like a total asshole; e.g. the sort of stuff Old Cannibal and Altar Lord do casually with tournaments that turn people Blood Path, starving people to make them go Blood Path, etc. Even if they do it to try to win and not because they're psychopaths, that's still fucking evil.

I feel like there's a difference between 'the evils of war' and 'the evils that Blood Path tend to get up to.' Like... killing everybody in an enemy fortress becomes killing everybody on a continent or world (or 9/10th of them) because they're enemy combatants or enemy tethers or would just not surrender or something. It's, well, awful but it's... psychologically it doesn't have the same feel to me as "I will deliberately try to figure out ways to break people's minds down in order to turn them to my path and way of doing things, the Blood Path, and encourage them to predate on humans because what is man but just another meal". It's one thing to kill, even kill a lot of people. It's another thing to do something... abnormal and creative.

And the humans living on Beast-worlds... they're being fed on for their Cultivation insight anyway. So it's an extra shitty deal for them. The ones who'd fight and resist. They die either way, but a lot of them probably don't even know they don't have a choice but to die because they don't have a choice to advance upwards and be free of Beasts. And some of them may not want to even; if they're raised in a culture that worships their god-world and says how the best thing is to live a full life and eventually give back your comprehension of the Dao to the world that birthed you and that this is a just and virtuous thing, well, how many people would even know otherwise? And if you don't know about the flow of souls being a thing, how could you know this?

And if you're attacking them, you probably pick up an attitude of "Well if they just didn't resist and simply died, this would all be over faster" because, well, one the one hand you feel that's true and on the other hand if you allowed yourself to acknowledge they were people and not just targets you'd feel really shitty and wouldn't be able to keep fighting the war. So it's better to just steel your mind, and steel your descendants minds, and fight a war even if brutally.

I've wondered whether some of the mind-affecting influences of the Bronze/Silver/Gold/whatever were not a form of mass mind control over people... but rather more like an attempt to protect a person's psyche against the horrors of the lower levels of the Beast War. "You're going to have to fight and kill a shit-ton of people who won't deserve it and won't really have a choice either, so better if you were hardened a bit." Hence a sort of 'Merciless to your enemies, but as gentle as a lamb to your kins-men' dichotomy. Higher-Realm folks don't really need anything like this, because they're on the level of "wave a hand and a continent or world empties of life"; they just need a lot of alcohol or other soldier coping methods. People down in the trenches are kind of psychologically in a shit state though. Also probably some amount of "There is a shit-ton of possible tricks that a high level Cultivator, or a world, can pull; so many illusions and mind-fucks and ways to fuck people over and turn them against each other and against their own army. Better try to instill a loyalty or obedience to a superior too... ... and make sure the commanders and officers get shit-tons of mental shielding against mind-fuckery too, because if we're going to put a lot of responsibility on them, we'd need to make sure they can't get mindjacked as easily." Again, circle back up to "the horrors of war" and "there are atrocities and then there are atrocities."


So, wait, if Beasts eat human souls in order to absorb their Dao comprehension...

... Was the Soup Chef's main discovery "how to make it so that humans can do that instead"? Possibly intending to feed on Beasts (because it's a better choice than preying on your fellow man in the long run for building and maintaining any good society) but needs must and you make an army of Alex Mercers when you have to win.

Because that's what the Blood Path does. It passes on experience and knowledge and understanding and even lets you jump up Realms. The Demonic Blood Path is, after all, an offshoot of the Beast Core Cultivation method.

And the Single Pillar path does that, except even more-so. Allowing you to seize and consume luck and qi and even the Dao or the Heavens. Perhaps a normal Blood Path cultivator would need to get up all the way to Law Construction or Heaven Construction in order to be able to seize Heavenly Laws -- it's probably much faster to just ("just") get a Single Pillar that went all the way instead.
It would be simple enough, surely. Simply cultivate back up to Threefold Revival, slaughter the natives who opposed him, seize the Will Opposing and finish what he had begun so many years ago.
Are you kidding me old man? "Just" cultivate back up to Threefold Revival? Do the Golden Devils have the time? If Heaven is repairing itself and you have to win before that time runs out, then you have to win before you hit TFR anyway.

... And can you even do that when you didn't hit 9th Pillar in Foundation Establishment?

... I kind of feel like this is just Heraclius's Lingering Will or something, because it's brilliant but dumb. Or maybe just massively massively trying to cope desperately. "I can do this, I can! I just... need to Cultivate all the way up to Threefold Revival again. I can totally do that."
 
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