Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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The biggest issue ultimately is, there's no way out without a Spirit Severing level Clan Master--but Spirit Severing can't beat World Fusion as best as we know--even if you can get to Spirit Severing in the Third Sea.

I don't think this is a problem resolved just by conquering the entire Third Sea.
 
The biggest issue ultimately is, there's no way out without a Spirit Severing level Clan Master--but Spirit Severing can't beat World Fusion as best as we know--even if you can get to Spirit Severing in the Third Sea.

I don't think this is a problem resolved just by conquering the entire Third Sea.
So part of the strategy has to be finding a way to get out of the current sea without immediately getting ganked by some World Fusion Old Master.

The first part of that is doing whatever we can to expend Heaven's Rage.

Based on the Geography and History informatioal threadmark, it is possible to hit Spirit Severing while in the Third Sea (for the moment) you just can't really stay that way. So at most, we'd have a single Spirit Severing elder there, unless we can somehow coordinate multiple people stepping into Spirit Severing at the same time. Regardless, the critical thing is not in having overwhelming power as we step into another sea... because we straight-up won't. There's no way to actually achieve that. The critical thing is in stepping into some part of another sea that is sufficiently sparse that we won't just get ganked for being there. Once we have any sort of a real footprint in another sea (preferably one with significant defensive advantages) we're in a much better position to power up our people. Of course, scouting out other seas isn't exactly trivial.
 
So part of the strategy has to be finding a way to get out of the current sea without immediately getting ganked by some World Fusion Old Master.

The first part of that is doing whatever we can to expend Heaven's Rage.

Based on the Geography and History informatioal threadmark, it is possible to hit Spirit Severing while in the Third Sea (for the moment) you just can't really stay that way. So at most, we'd have a single Spirit Severing elder there, unless we can somehow coordinate multiple people stepping into Spirit Severing at the same time. Regardless, the critical thing is not in having overwhelming power as we step into another sea... because we straight-up won't. There's no way to actually achieve that. The critical thing is in stepping into some part of another sea that is sufficiently sparse that we won't just get ganked for being there. Once we have any sort of a real footprint in another sea (preferably one with significant defensive advantages) we're in a much better position to power up our people. Of course, scouting out other seas isn't exactly trivial.

Honestly, there's two routes I can see as being potentially plausible--and one that's a long shot

1) Bug the fuck out of this universe, carve a passageway somewhere that isn't out to kill us.

2) Somehow isolate the Third Sea from Heaven's Attention while restoring the Qi Flow.

And the long shot.

3) Somehow finish the SCA's Work and change the nature of the Heavens here to something that can allow us to thrive.
 
Random tinfoil hat strategies (no need to tell me how wrong they are lol) :

1. How is the Qi below the seas? Because building underwater cities with our formation mastery would be kickass.

2. Zombie Turtle go BRRRR!

On a more serious tangent, I would have loved to go Casia and to go full diplomatic route. Being the protectors of other powers rather than a conqueror (although I'm sure there would be plenty of bloodshed this way too).
 
The Qi in the sea is more potent than the dead turtle I think, but there's also sea monsters up the wazoo in there that can nom us as an appetizer and still be hungry :V
 
Young Fish, Old Fish, Red Fish, Dead Fish
Gengxin scowled.

Mistress of the Seven Poisons, they called her.

Before the old bastard had come, they'd named her the Witch of Decay and it had been only a matter of time until the Devil Bees fell entirely into her hands.

Now, she was little better than a servant. Not even a concubine! Not that she hadn't offered, but the old bastard had just chuckled and told her to find someone else to kill. Xinyue had just laughed at her, as though she wouldn't have tried!

No, no. She calmed herself. Xinyue wouldn't have tried. She never saw the benefit of trying every possible end, even if it was likely to fail. Xinyue had been the sort of creature who commanded a legion of Devil Bees in her own right, using her pets to consume more and more of her rivals, rising rapidly through Core Formation and from there into Nascent Soul. A talent, a genius, a piece-of-shit whore she was going to kill one day.

Gengxin on the other hand had clawed her way up. She'd killed and fucked and fought, and done the most useful in each situation. Pleasure a man - or a woman, as distasteful as the thought had been a the time - for favor? She could always repay the humiliation once she stood above them, and she had done so. Thirty-two lovers, each dead now. Nobody who had thought to step on her still lived, each of them suffering a slow and gradual death, a cruel decline into nothingness. That was the price of seeing her weak, of exploiting her weakness.

It had not made her popular, of course, but who needed popularity when one could dose their subordinates with poisons and ply them with antidotes for loyalty? Only an idiot like Sun Diaxing trusted others. She relied on more certain means.

Now she feared, though. She had not truly feared Xinyue. The other woman was mighty and proud, but lacked her sense of subtlety, always feared her. After Xinyue had sent nearly a quarter of a million Devil Bees at her and seen them fall in a cloud of poison, there had been a peace between them. Xinyue sought allies, slowly encroaching on Gengxin's territory, subverting her people and stealing her bee-mounts. Gengxin poisoned Xinyue's people, ensuring they served her or died. She had controlled less territory, but more Core Formation underlings.

She had a plan, too. Poisons placed here and there, in a great array ready to face Xinyue with. It would have poisoned the other woman permanently, weakening her badly unless she found the antidote. Decades of planning gone, and Sun Diaxing came in, striding in like he hadn't just lost an entire Sect to the other old bastard across the mountains. She didn't know what he found so frightening about Konstantinos. Some old man who had a cleaver and a dagger and couldn't fight for shit? Even Gengxin would be able to kill him, to say nothing of the three of them together.

Still, she'd better focus on the present. She was sure Old Cannibal was going to kill her one day, but he wasn't going to kill her until she stopped being useful, and this... this would be useful.

"Five Soul Transformation Poison."

A vial of glimmering green at first, shifting to red, then blue, then yellow, and finally white. It shifted back to green, continuing the cycle.

She grinned. This was a masterwork. With this, surely she would gain an advantage over Xinyue. Then she'd step into Mid Nascent Soul, and then...

Well. Both of them had seen her weak, humiliated. She couldn't have that.

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Sun Diaxing sighed.

The two girls were unruly, the Devil Bees as bad as his own Cannibals had been, except that they could more easily fly off and hide to disobey orders.

Not that he needed more than a few. He had gathered a small group of mortals, and raised them in the last years. Given them the truth of the world, that there was only competition and consumption. That only bonds between those who consumed could truly oppose the cattle who brayed so loudly when they were slaughtered, else they would end up devouring themselves as well as others.

Perhaps one in ten would truly understand the lesson, but it was a difficult one to teach.

Bringing them all to Foundation Establishment had been the matter of simply killing a few Core Formation elders of each of the girls' side to bring them into line, and to raise a small cadre loyal to him.

Now, he brought them with him, flying behind on their Devil Bees, creatures under Xinyue's command. She was quite aware he would look dimly on the death of his new disciples.

Chuan Clan.

They had raided all around it to make it obvious the blow would fall there. They flew in confidently, openly, high above the cities and under the clouds, seeking to show that they had come to kill.

Why?

If the Verdant South united against them, he was confident in their escape. And that would tell them something incredibly valuable. But if they did not, this simple impudent tactic would go unexpected.

He smiled thinly.

Enemies who could not read your very heart were so much easier to deal with.

He still wasn't sure how Konstantinos had manipulated the last series of events, but the more he thought about it the more sense it made. Get the Saber Palace to incite a rebellion in his lands, forcing him to go hat-in-hand to Konstantinos to kill his own disciple. Push him to the brink, force him to war. Even the Light Qi he had taken as his sole prize from those peculiar, terrifying Caves had been foreseen and used against him, forcing him into a battle he was unable to win. Every single move had seem planned, forcing him into a series of bad choices from which there was no coming back.

From a certain point on the board, defeat was unstoppable no matter the moves you made. He should have simply made war when Alexios died, brought every Cannibal he could find across the border and begun a slaughter great enough to end the Devils and damn the consequences. But he had wanted to wait, to see the old Elder's death had been some noxious plot planned to lure him out and kill him. Inaction had killed him, but the fact that Konstantinos had been able to plot against him had killed him even more.

If he was ever still, he would fall. Only by growing sufficiently to simply crush his enemy would he ever be free of him.

This, he thought, was a good first step.

An old man rose out of the sky. Old, like Konstantinos.

"Old Fish."

Diaxing inclined his head respectfully.

"This Sun Diaxing greets you. May I know why you are impeding our travel?"

Scales shimmered over the body of the old man, and the whiskers of a catfish poked out from his cheeks. His whiskers twitched as he spoke.

"You will find no purchase here, Devil Bees. Return to your lands or else this old man will force you out. These people and these lands are under my protection."

Diaxing chuckled.

"I of course intend no harm to your people or lands. Please, we are merely surveying the lands about us in preparation for a diplomatic... exercise."

Below them stood the Noble Koi Palace, the mirror image of the Undersea Gold Palace. A fortress of mighty power, that once closed could only be opened by Old Fish himself.

Old Fish ignored his words, lashing out.

Silver scales dispersed from his flesh, flying into the air. Each one sharp and powerful, spinning towards him, ready to slice him in half.

Diaxing simply moved - his body no longer where it had been, and Xinyue moved in to intercept the scales. She parried them, using her pair of fans to do so again and again. Gengxin drank from a vial, spitting at the scales, each blob of spit dissolving a scale in the air where it was.

From the air, Diaxing drew his bow.

The Screaming Intestine Bow had been unpleasant to draw at first, but it was a marvelous weapon. Infinitely resizeable, a series of human heads making up what would ordinarily be wood, ropy intestines forming the bowstring. When he drew it the arrows formed naturally, a storage of human Qi unlike almost any other. It could be used as a reservoir to help one cultivate in the bad years as populations recovered, or, more importantly, it could form arrows fundamentally compatible with almost any Blood Art.

The arrows formed from bone, well-fletched and well-carved.

He drew it back, and the arrow flew out. It hunted after Old Fish as the scales hunted him, and arrow after arrow went into the air.

Old Fish parried one, and another, and another, as the two girls removed scale after scale.

Panting, Old Fish spoke.

"Are you convinced of my sincerity yet?"

Sun Diaxing - no, he was Old Cannibal right now - laughed.

"Fine. I'll send the two girls away. If you can take this one strike of mine, I'll naturally leave."

Old Fish drew his remaining scales back onto his body, preparing.

Old Cannibal chuckled, drawing the bow even further back. An arrow of majestic complexity began to fashion itself, more and more Qi pouring into as the bowstring stretched, the heads screaming louder and louder in a symphony of delightful agony as he did so.

He could see the intent of Old Fish. The Palace stood behind him, sealed. He would unseal it in an instant, dodge inside the Palace, weather the blow, and return outside to continue fighting. With such a fortress he could leap in and out, striking at Diaxing and his disciples with impunity, harrying them until they went away.

What a good plan.

What a pity, he thought. Konstantinos thought in plans inside plans, and he was used to plotting against so many such. Here, the Verdant South had forgotten the true cost of war. Not the cost it levied on them, but the cost others were willing to pay to wage it. They bickered like children, unwilling to give up a scrap of power, plotting in asinine matters even as the world burned around them. It was a pleasure to bring the world to them.

He drew the arrow further, and Old Fish began to cough.

"What..."

Old Cannibal chuckled.

"Gengxin, this is your triumph. Why don't you educate our friend?"

She smiled, dimples on her cheeks, seemingly delightfully. Diaxing's own smile thinned - she usually looked like that when she was going to try and kill someone.

"Old Fish, this junior apologise for her presumption, but the Five Soul Transformation Poison works by forcing those with transformation arts to transform into a single chosen form of the poison-brewer's choice. For you, I know your old catfish form is mighty, but also know that it cannot survive above the surface of the water for long. By infusing one of your scales with this poison it can force a transformation, even it could not poison you otherwise. Your scales are a part of your catfish form, and despite not being part of your human form in truth... well, it's a simple enough thing to draw an equivalence between the two provided the owner is a soul cultivator of sorts, no?"

The old man gasped, arms and legs turning into fins, face growing longer as he flew and flopped away, moving towards the ocean at all speed.

Diaxing smiled.

"Xinyue, how many Core Formation cultivators are inside the Palace?"

She frowned.

"Almost fifty. Perhaps half of the entire Chuan Clan's core strength."

"Good. I have no interest in winnowing them out just yet. They will be needed to head north. If we denude the lands around them, Old Fish will have nothing left to defend, beyond a palace we cannot hope to take. As such, he will head north, facing the Noble Devil Alliance, knowing we will not return for many decades to come. We need to keep all of our enemies off-balance, keep every side neatly balanced as we seek to form a side of our own. For now..."

He grinned.

"Consume. Consume every mortal you can find, every misbegotten Righteous Path cultivator trapped outside a formation. Kill them and eat them and eat your fill, for there will be no easy feasts like this again. Eat and know I am no liar, disciples mine. Know that when I promised you food, promised you power I made that promise in good faith. This is only the beginning, though. Follow me and we will rise ever-higher, until we challenge the Heavens themselves."

He licked his lips.

He had not been able to feast in so long.
 
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He still wasn't sure how Konstantinos had manipulated the last series of events, but the more he thought about it the more sense it made. Get the Saber Palace to incite a rebellion in his lands, forcing him to go hat-in-hand to Konstantinos to kill his own disciple. Push him to the brink, force him to war. Even the Light Qi he had taken as his sole prize from those peculiar, terrifying Caves had been foreseen and used against him, forcing him into a battle he was unable to win. Every single move had seem planned, forcing him into a series of bad choices from which there was no coming back.
He gives us a bit too much credit. I wish we could manipulate the Saber palace like that. Unfortunately because he has such a high regard for our scheming ability he is going to go pure brute force.
 
It is interesting how old monster nascents actions so often fall into a Nash equilibrium. Old Cannibal knew that Old Fish would flee to fight against the NDA and I assume that Old Fish knows that he knows that.

Same with Old Jingshen. We knew that he was going for a third nascent to crush us so therefore we had to attack him first and he knew the same thing.

Then again maybe these sort of Nash equilibriums are just more common with nascents used to hanging around Manual. They all just get used to knowing that they have no secrets and make their plans under the assumption that Manuel knows them.
 
Manuel's real advantage isn't that he's a master schemer who has plots so deep that you can't help but enter his Keikaku.

His real advantage is that he's a compulsive fucking gambler and he is literally fucking crazy even by Nascent Soul standards. Couple that with a Clan that can and will keep up with him, and you get something that seizes opportunities so fast and so aggressively that it looks to everyone else like he's operating some Death Note "I know you know that I know" megabrain shit when he's really just making it all up as he goes along but has such a loyal and competent power base that he can shoot from the hip and still expect to score a wound.

No fucking wonder Sun Diaxiang has a complex, Manuel Konstantinos is his natural enemy.
 
Little does Old Cannibal know that him rampaging through the Verdant South is just as planned for us to achieve Desert Hegemony.
Nah, he knows that Old Jingshen ain't shit.

He doesnt expect us to take very long to bring them to heel, which is why he made that offer in the first place.

If anything, I suspect that his true plan is to raise up his trust levels in the Devil Bees to the point that he can use them as a frontline to invade us, and willing to expend the resources necessary to do so.


Here, the Verdant South had forgotten the true cost of war. Not the cost it levied on them, but the cost others were willing to pay to wage it. They bickered like children, unwilling to give up a scrap of power, plotting in asinine matters even as the world burned around them. It was a pleasure to bring the world to them.

He knows hed never be able to take us on his own, so hes angling to set up a Demonic Coalition of his own to potentially come after us.

Its very exciting
 
Jesus the Strength Purity Sect has no idea the kind of shit they let lose on the north by letting Old Cannibal live, just goes to show you that anyone who cut his teeth fighting Old Gold should probably be feared.
 
Interestingly this actually strengthens the rightous paths efforts against the NDA. Now that Old Fish has nothing to protect he is likely to throw himself into the war effort to gain enough social capital to gather a collation against Old Cannibal.
 
Manuel's real advantage isn't that he's a master schemer who has plots so deep that you can't help but enter his Keikaku.

His real advantage is that he's a compulsive fucking gambler and he is literally fucking crazy even by Nascent Soul standards. Couple that with a Clan that can and will keep up with him, and you get something that seizes opportunities so fast and so aggressively that it looks to everyone else like he's operating some Death Note "I know you know that I know" megabrain shit when he's really just making it all up as he goes along but has such a loyal and competent power base that he can shoot from the hip and still expect to score a wound.

No fucking wonder Sun Diaxiang has a complex, Manuel Konstantinos is his natural enemy.
Right. He has an absurdly loyal and well trained powerbase. That is his true advantage.
 
Only by growing sufficiently to simply crush his enemy would he ever be free of him.
It's not a bad plan, but he's probably not grokking that without the Cannibals, the Golden Devils are also rapidly expanding. It makes sense, for as long as Diaxing has known them, they've been in one long terminal decline, only kept afloat through endless plotting and caution. And as it's made explicitly clear, he can't see behind the dashboard at how Konstantinos is actually thinking and acting - a crippling weakness. It's also this lack of understanding of "Old Gold's" true motivations that's lead to this tear over the Verdant South; he doesn't get that this is also according to plan.
 
It's not a bad plan, but he's probably not grokking that without the Cannibals, the Golden Devils are also rapidly expanding. It makes sense, for as long as Diaxing has known them, they've been in one long terminal decline, only kept afloat through endless plotting and caution. And as it's made explicitly clear, he can't see behind the dashboard at how Konstantinos is actually thinking and acting - a crippling weakness. It's also this lack of understanding of "Old Gold's" true motivations that's lead to this tear over the Verdant South; he doesn't get that this is also according to plan.
He didn't really have a choice. He had to have the Demon Bees attack someone to manage any sort of control over them.

We should have been able to predict it.
 
This could be good for us if Diaxing is going around pillaging everyone's home lands they might not want to send there Nascent Souls down our way to slap our ass's over the Jingshen.
 
... I wonder if Old Fish would be interested in any help Manuel and the Golden Devils would be willing to give, in order to get back at Old Cannibal.

Maybe we could reach out to him later on at some point?
Old Cannibal chuckled, drawing the bow even further back. An arrow of majestic complexity began to fashion itself, more and more Qi
Just cuts off here.

Also: ouch, poor Chuan clan. At least their Dao depository and core of their Clan in the form of Core Formation folks is alive?

Also, they're a Clan rather than a Sect, so the adage of "if a Sect starts going down, people jump ship. If a Clan is going down, they plot revenge" holds. Though, the Verdant Plains advantage Sects over Clans, so. It will take them a while to claw back enough power. And it'd require nobody pushing them down or taking advantage of them while that happened.
 
This could be good for us if Diaxing is going around pillaging everyone's home lands they might not want to send there Nascent Souls down our way to slap our ass's over the Jingshen.
It's the opposite actually.

He's forcing them to clean house North, which checks our own expansion ability by freeing up more forces to interrupt our dissection of Jingshen while countering Altar Lord--who is almost certainly a philosophical rival of his since Old Cannibal "Worships the Weapon" if you will.

Because he's not impacting their core strength, just making sure they have nothing to come back to and have to start from scratch. In the process of doing this though, he's also seizing new real estate to establish his new Sect--if he doesn't just completely take over the Devil Bees.

He's a brilliant schemer. The problem is that brilliant schemers lose to Crazed Lunatics like Manuel Konstantinos.
 
Would it be possible to take in the Chuan Clan remnants as vassals and give them a new home in the Desert, like we did for the Stork Clans?
The Chuan Clan could bounce back from this disaster in like, a century. Most of their Cores and their Nascent survived, all that died were their Qi Condensation and Foundation Establishment scrubs and the Mortals they ruled over.

And those are the easiest to replace.

It was a Painful wound but not a crippling one--as long as Old Fish has a way to heal himself at least (Which is pretty likely)
 
Would it be possible to take in the Chuan Clan remnants as vassals and give them a new home in the Desert, like we did for the Stork Clans?
I don't think so all there Core elders survived, this is just them getting all there wealth and juniors fucked up. They still have there fancy Palace and all there nice things so I doubt they want to leave.
 
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