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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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James D. Fawkes said:
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Fair enough, and yeah I don't really remember that throwaway line from Mash, though that is interesting. Still it'd probably be a relatively minor difference. The most major difference would probably be that the Greater Grail can initiate a Great Holy Grail War (which is what occurs in Apocrypha for those unaware) and these Grails can't. Regardless that's still a lot of power available.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
I'm trying to fit most of canon into a framework that doesn't just assume "it works," which is what makes Nasu's system softer in terms of fantasy than it really seems. To that end, the "shadow Servants" that we canonically use in-game are a function that isn't available to Chaldea — yet. I have a plan for it, but introducing those shadow Servants that Jalter called at the end of Orléans was a part of it.

As for "why don't they just summon nonstop until they have as full a roster as they can feasibly support?" That gets addressed in a sort of sideways manner during the briefing right before Septem starts.

There is a difference between the Grails Chaldea collects and Fuyuki's Greater Grail, though. There's a throwaway line Mash makes at one point about them not being of quite the same scale or nature, but it truly is just a throwaway line.
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The Grails Chaldea collects would be more equivalent to a Lesser Grail rather then the Greater Grail of Fuyuki. And are some sort of large storage/state of magical energy crystallized into a cup. So while it doesn't have the same capacity to enact wishes like in Apocrypha by itself. It's still fundamentally a large collection of magical energy to be utilized in eras that normally wouldn't have that much available on demand.
 
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Windborne said:
Not happening in this story according to James, nor does it ever make any sense to ever happen in a story like this one regardless since there's no available Catalysts to do so.
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Ha ... I forgot, ok

But She could use her knife or his own blood as a catalyst, his knife serves as a catalyst for Wever / Kheperi and his blood for all versions of him.
 
Stahor said:
In anime seiyuu who voiced Romani and Da Vinchi are actually married, and anime leaned into this somewhat.
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Deviox said:
It's more of a voice actor gag, since IRL Da Vinchi's and Roman's VA's are married.
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I was more referring to if Colin and Dragon ever argued like a married couples initially for the deja vu comment (however dysfunctional they'd be), but thanks for the little trivia on the VAs.

I probably worded my stuff weird or wrong :p not the first time.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
Enchant A. Conceptual endowment. The ability to add functions and effects to items, giving them strength in proportion to the magnitude of the deeds and powers he ascribed to it. The more unique the item and the feats attributed to it were, the greater the effect, up to the equivalent of a C-Rank Noble Phantasm.

"Oh."
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James D. Fawkes said:
"Whatever you're thinking of, it'll have to wait," said Romani, putting his metaphorical foot down firmly. "This isn't the place for experimenting or item crafting. This is the summoning chamber. Anything other than summoning, you do it elsewhere."
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That's quite close minded of you Romani. After all, a summoning chamber for heroes to save the world sounds like a valid target for Enchant.

Actually, a LOT of Chaldea's key infrastructure does
 
You know, I have to wonder how Shakespear will react to hearing Taylor's story. The girl who defeated a dragon, stabbed a god and then made it commit suicide before trying/having someone try to kill/lobotomize herself before she became that monster in turn.

Really, it's a Tradgedy and Comedy straight out of something he'd write. God, they are going to get along like a house on fire.
 
Ghost in a wall said:
stabbed a god and then made it commit suicide
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I thought it was the Fairy Queen that convinced Zion to do that?

Also have we ever discuss how Hans would roast Taylor? It'll probably happen in the far future (or near future depending on OP), but i'm rather curious on how Hans would lay into Taylor. I'm just curious because it just suddenly strikes me that if Shakespeares and Taylor would be like a house on fire, then Hans would probably really push all her buttons... or would he?
 
The nanothorn knife, from what I remember, was mainly used as a flying death knife in the Cauldron compound. Now, if she's able to make use of what she's done with a knife, she gets to include cutting out Lung's eyes and stabbing a Murder Rat clone to death, among other things.
 
GuyIncognito said:
Just a quick question, is Jalter going to be summoned at some point, or is that impossible due to the circumstances that happened?
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I mean, there's no way to take the sting out of this, but do you think I'm actually going to give you a straight answer on that one? The Khepri question I answered as I did because it was tied to a "thing that happened," instead of "a thing that hasn't happened yet." Telling you who all of the Servants are that will be making a major appearance is just spoiling things.

So the only answer I can actually give you is "you'll have to wait and see."
 
synnero said:
I thought it was the Fairy Queen that convinced Zion to do that?

Also have we ever discuss how Hans would roast Taylor? It'll probably happen in the far future (or near future depending on OP), but i'm rather curious on how Hans would lay into Taylor. I'm just curious because it just suddenly strikes me that if Shakespeares and Taylor would be like a house on fire, then Hans would probably really push all her buttons... or would he?
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Nah that was entirely taylor, she used what she saw at the cauldron facility of eden's corpse to make shakers make statues, golems and illusions of Eden, had changers become Eden etc. all to torment Scion, since she couldn't beat him physically she decided for a more mental approach and essentially bullied him into accepting death by being hit by a bolt enhanced by sting, followed by a tinker super weapon fired through the resultant portal where the bolt hit him, which destroyed his true body and killed him. The fairy queen had little to do with that beyond being one of many who made images of Eden.
Impstar said:
Taylor never stabbed Scion to the best of my knowledge. That knife has nothing to do with Scion, or his defeat.
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Taylor did cut him with it, but all it did was cause an immense amount of mist to sprout out as scion regenerated as fast as his body was turned to mist. Think it was like a slash she did at him.
 
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The-Chained-One said:
Taylor did cut him with it, but all it did was cause an immense amount of mist to sprout out as scion regenerated as fast as his body was turned to mist. Think it was like a slash she did at him.
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Do you have a cite for that? I want to believe you, but I don't remember that happening and I didn't find a mention of it in a quick search.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
One would think that wish granting devices would be used for something besides powering a facility.
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I mean both in FSN and in the Grand Order the 'cups' are mostly energy containers with some other abilities; the 'wish' part would need a greater grail connected.
In FGO the Holy Grail is a magical item that materializes the desires of humanity in a moment/location when they are particularly intense
There is even a line thrown at the end of the Enma-tei event that says:
Gordolf:
However…kukuku. "The compensation of our actions for the offering", and etc. from our great work wound up being so sufficient, that the magic from our labor transformed into a holy grail…
Fuhahaha.This is truly nothing but generous! Those oriental divine spirits sure weren't stingy!
So probably they are prime elements for the repairs made, but you can't simply make a wish to it
 
Evil Atlas said:
Do you have a cite for that? I want to believe you, but I don't remember that happening and I didn't find a mention of it in a quick search.
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"I held my ground, forming swarm-decoys. They hadn't worked last time, but-

Nothing. He walked past them.

I held my knife, waited as he closed the distance, standing in his way. I slashed at his throat, dragged the blade along his chest.

Smoke rose, billowing in quantities I couldn't have imagined.

He pushed me aside.

Walking towards the door."
- worm 29.7, near the bottom
 
The-Chained-One said:
"I held my ground, forming swarm-decoys. They hadn't worked last time, but-

Nothing. He walked past them.

I held my knife, waited as he closed the distance, standing in his way. I slashed at his throat, dragged the blade along his chest.

Smoke rose, billowing in quantities I couldn't have imagined.

He pushed me aside.

Walking towards the door."
- worm 29.7, near the bottom
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That...is actually a good indication of the idea that she held onto the nanothorn dagger to the end. I was mostly making an assumption in that regard, because it stops being "Defiant's knife" or "the nanothorn knife" about halfway through the Cauldron battle. I couldn't find a solid reference for her losing it, but I couldn't recall if she kept it for sure, either.
 
I'm interested in seeing how far Taylor will be able to go with knives that can work on Servants, since some of them can be pretty easily baited and look down on their opponents, though for a decent portion of those guys, C-rank still won't cut it.

As for Chaldeas, I think the solution to getting things running might be more Servants? Like more Casters to efficiently route the power from the grails or something like that? While things were always super hectic I feel like they got a handle on things to some extent.
 
I think it is worth pointing out that even before it got in Taylor's hands the knife already had enough of a story behind it to become something decently strong in its own right. Three heroes from around the world, each something of a legend in their own right gather together to create artifacts in order to allow ordinary people to fight against the supernaturally gifted who they would otherwise just be fodder against? That's the kind of background that is given of a heroes weapon which would probably get the knife a decent buff even before we get to the other parts.

James D. Fawkes said:
It didn't have much in the way of combat potential since it left the target essentially invulnerable to physical damage until it was all over
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While a bad idea in general this seems like the sort of thing that could be used as a last resort to save someone from death depending on just how powerful the invulnerability is, although the mental damage could be a problem.

KuroHGC said:
I'm looking forward to when any version of Taylor is invoked.
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Is that even possible? I was under the impression that to be summoned at least a version of you had to be dead, and by both nasuverse and worm rules Taylor should be the one and only with no alternate timeline versions available.
 
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