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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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buli-buli said:
The French were only guilty of not trying to rescue her. Or maybe of not giving her sufficient support before her final campaign if you stretch.
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Not that much of a stretch, historically, the new French king was in, excuse my Français, pretty deep shit. There were two factions diagonally opposed to each other other on the question of war, with Jeanne co-leading the faction that was proposing to attack Paris immediately, and lead negotiations with Burgundians only after it was taken.

There was a long shitshow about that with the army advancing in different directions, a couple murders in the court, one secret negotiation where Jeanne wasn't admitted, and, long story short, the siege of Paris was more of a joke than any serious effort to take the city.

I can see Jeanne feeling pretty resentful of the king and the noble court after that. But blaming the entire country is pretty much FGO!Giles' psychotic meltdown transferred to Jalter.
 
The only legit targets for such revenge are the English, the Burgundians, the Church, and at a very distant fourth maybe some french who didnt support her.

And thats without going into the tangle that Jeanne Alter was never burnt at the stake, though since she has all the memories, its iffy to say such feelings are not legitimate.
 
Raiseth said:
I wonder why Jalter decided to get summoned, actually. I mean, FGO Ritsuka has a Harem Protagonist EX skill or whatever, but aside from game mechanics, Jalter doesn't have a horse in saving humanity. As she's envisioned by Giles, her only desire is burning down France, so she should even slightly lean towards incineration.

Maybe she just wants to exist really, really hard?
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There's another possible explanation. Not sure how plausible it is, but perhaps regular Jeanne "gave up her place in line" to let Jalter be summoned. I can see her doing that in order to support Jalter's existence...we'll see what the author goes for, but whatever the case I'm excited to see how this affects Mash's growth!
 
It's worth remembering that it wasn't actually Jalter that decided to raze France and to kill the people - it was Gilles de Rais, who was not at all sane. Thus expecting her motivation to make sense when the person behind it was literally murdering children for fun makes just as much sense as blaming the French for something the English did.
 
The one thing I'm not quite happy about with this chapter is that no one has taken into consideration a Master's natural affinity affecting a Heroic Spirit summoning.

It's understandable, currently, because there are bigger questions like "How can a Heroic Spirit of someone who was never real nor was remembered by humanity possibly exist?", but I fully expect DaVinci, because she's the type to fully consider every possible angle, to broach the topic. Even if that doesn't cause a big reveal in and of itself, it should be something in the back of her head and in the mind of whoever she tells.
 
Btw, lol
My Beast Khepri as envisioned is almost word for word Beast I/L. I swear I didn't know when I was writing it up, and considering I was trying to be as weeb as possible, I feel pretty awkward about it.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
"Hang on," said Da Vinci, "you can't really mean to establish a contract with her! Not only is she an Avenger class Servant, she tried to burn down France!"
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Weirdly, Avenger Jeanne Alter seems less interested in burning France than Ruler Jeanne Alter.

…Partially because France was already incinerated. But still! Avenger Jeanne Alter is way more chill than her Ruler Alter variant.

Personally I blame Vanilla Ruler Jeanne. She's great and all but she's a bad influence on her sister. Did you know she was historically super into artillery? Just loved bombing the hell out of her enemies. No wonder Taylor didn't pull her; even after getting the ultimate ranged area denial power she still insisted on running into melee combat to hit people with her baton. Jeanne canonically never even used her sword. Nope, just artillery.
 
CrescentSickle said:
The one thing I'm not quite happy about with this chapter is that no one has taken into consideration a Master's natural affinity affecting a Heroic Spirit summoning.

It's understandable, currently, because there are bigger questions like "How can a Heroic Spirit of someone who was never real nor was remembered by humanity possibly exist?", but I fully expect DaVinci, because she's the type to fully consider every possible angle, to broach the topic. Even if that doesn't cause a big reveal in and of itself, it should be something in the back of her head and in the mind of whoever she tells.
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You have to also consider that the Throne exists outside of time ans records ALL legends, both Heroes and Villans. What would you call the stoy of saving the world from the Human Order Inceneration except Legend? Hell with Taylor doing the summoning I wonder if she might summon (para) Hero and (Para) Legend.
 
Annoying thing about the whole "Wait if you're thinking what I'm thinking" dialogue is that I don't think I'm thinking it.
Not entirely sure what the theories they came up with there are except for Passenger intervention which was Taylors internal monologue. And that recordings on the Chaldea computers might be why this was possible in the first place.
James D. Fawkes said:
"You… Are you saying what I think you're saying?" Marie asked incredulously. "Even in our wildest dreams, no one ever believed the FATE System could be used in such an…obtuse manner!"
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James D. Fawkes said:
"Hang on a minute. You don't think…"

"Do you have a better explanation?" I countered.

"Well, no, but…"

"Wait, wait." Marie's nose scrunched up, like she couldn't believe what she was hearing. "How would that even be possible?
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Incredibly unhelpful. I get that they're all trained mages, but I'm not, and I'm not even a Fate fan.
James D. Fawkes said:
"Fuck you!"

"Keep up the attitude, and it won't be anytime soon."

"What's that supposed to mean?"
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"It means you're not hot enough for your amount of crazy."
James D. Fawkes said:
while I was more than fine with planning a preemptive strike against someone I knew was going to screw me
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I think you meant screw Aife.
 
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My question is why they assume that Jeanne Alter is responsible for the inversion and not Ruler Jeanne. Giving her corrupted side a chance to do good and save humanity sounds like something she would do.

Which is more likley, an unknown Heroic Spirit forcibly hijacking the summoning of her much more established and powerful Ruler aspect, or the well known Ruler pulling in her unknown Avenger side to give humanity a record of her redemption.
 
AramilOniasha said:
My question is why they assume that Jeanne Alter is responsible for the inversion and not Ruler Jeanne. Giving her corrupted side a chance to do good and save humanity sounds like something she would do.

Which is more likley, an unknown Heroic Spirit forcibly hijacking the summoning of her much more established and powerful Ruler aspect, or the well known Ruler pulling in her unknown Avenger side to give humanity a record of her redemption.
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Jeanne is a good big sis type looking out for her little sister. Just watch out around summer time. Her heart'll be in the right place, but her head'll go wherever Astolfo and Flatt's normally dwell.
 
CrescentSickle said:
The one thing I'm not quite happy about with this chapter is that no one has taken into consideration a Master's natural affinity affecting a Heroic Spirit summoning.

It's understandable, currently, because there are bigger questions like "How can a Heroic Spirit of someone who was never real nor was remembered by humanity possibly exist?", but I fully expect DaVinci, because she's the type to fully consider every possible angle, to broach the topic. Even if that doesn't cause a big reveal in and of itself, it should be something in the back of her head and in the mind of whoever she tells.
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I suspect that's probably something Da Vinci would quietly discuss with Romani rather than bring up in front of Taylor (the obvious suspect for an affinity-based summon) and Olga Marie (who's currently using Taylor as an emotional crutch and was hiding everything about Taylor's prior history from Romani and Da Vinci before the Singularities started).
 
Taylor never does revenge, she stops threats. She killed Alexandria to stop her from killing people she cared about, even if she was faking it.

After all Alexandria knew Skitter was Taylor Hebert, what was gonna stop her from killing Danny?

Unless Jalter is QA compatibility summon?

QA definitely wanted revenge on "daddy" Zion.
 
Actually, a thought.

Jalter's biggest thing is who she is in comparison to Jeanne. She acts haughty, but is actually horrifically insecure. That insecurity can manifest in a number of ways, namely imposter syndrome.

Now, instead of canon with one Ritsuka, we have two - and all the way in this fic, they are ultimately overshadowed by Taylor. It's entirely possible that Jalter was their compatibility summon because Senpai is awesome so why are they there?

Yes it's not by intent on any side but Taylor's experience shows in every conflict they get into, and even with their training the twins are always one step behind minimum. Now it hasn't reached LB1 Kadoc levels of imposter syndrome but this is very much the Taylor Show and both Fujimarus are side characters rather than tritagonists at this point.

Admittedly this is a lot of guesswork because we've spent comparatively less time in their heads because again, this fic is The Taylor Show by default. But 'funny girl who might be closet-depressed' and 'soft-spoken big brother' have to have some kind of comparable depth to them, and I'm leaning in that direction.

Also given Worm never really resolved the bulk of Taylor's insecurities and she locked them under key during, y'know, Apocalypse Now... yeah, it might be a three-way clusterfuck with Jalter as the herald. They're definitely still there, only duller because of a world-ending amount of emotional scarring and burnout.

And with Fou aka Cath Palug aka Beast IV being Comparison, that would set off another shitstorm come Judgement Day, with even Mash hard-pressed to provide proof that humanity isn't asking for a Primate Murder Smite.

Just some speculation.
 
captain_belgica said:
Five years.

She'd probably have something like 'Information Erasure' after how Wildbow treated her in Ward
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I was thinking, how would Gilgamesh treat Taylor? On one hand, her shard is filthy parasitic non-human trash. On the other, Taylor's achievements outright eclipse almost all heroes, despite having weak-ass base abilities compared to everyone else and willingly did the equivalent of setting her body, mind, and soul on fire for the sake of humanity. So, he definitely might see her as an extremely rare human with high worth, at least in his eyes, especially since she's from the modern era. It's not like much can be hidden from his Sha Naqba Imuru either.

I mean, the whole reason he felt Artoria was beautiful was because of her ideals and stubbornness in opposing him. While Taylor still lost much of her ideals, she certainly has the stubbornness and bravery down, and her determination to do the right thing. Still, I think Taylor herself would hate him vehemently, at least his Archer self, for pretty obvious reasons.
 
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Just a prediction, but I have a weird feeling that there will be a Worm singularity at some point, perhaps right before the Temple of Time. I mean, killing Zion seems pretty damn critical to the survival of the Human Order, since it's a multiversal threat, and merely preventing, say, Taylor's birth would cause the entire setting to spiral out of control. Hell, just by preventing Khepri from being executed by Contessa, she could easily become a threat to humanity like she feared, after all Taylor is an obvious as fuck Beast candidate, for multiple roles at that.
 
Cookiesndip said:
Just a prediction, but I have a weird feeling that there will be a Worm singularity at some point, perhaps right before the Temple of Time. I mean, killing Zion seems pretty damn critical to the survival of the Human Order, since it's a multiversal threat, and merely preventing, say, Taylor's birth would cause the entire setting to spiral out of control. Hell, just by preventing Khepri from being executed by Contessa, she could easily become a threat to humanity like she feared, after all Taylor is an obvious as fuck Beast candidate, for multiple roles at that.
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I think it would make a better interlude chapter than main singularity. Like the Musashi dream one.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
sort of pale imitation of the original's soul.

Unless…
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James D. Fawkes said:
"Hang on a minute. You don't think…"

"Do you have a better explanation?" I countered.

"Well, no, but…"
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So I might be dumb here, but what are they thinking?

Also I forgot I quoted this:
James D. Fawkes said:
I almost missed the subtext in all of that. It was a very shrewd way of telling me without telling me.
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What was this about?
 
James D. Fawkes said:
Next — Chapter LXXXI: Oceanic Mystery
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WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
EARLY IN THE MORNIN

I am so freaking hyped!!! Call it nostalgia but Okeanos is one of my favorite singularities.

Though I won't lie I can't wait for a part of Taylor's soul to die alongside Atalante seeing Artemis being a boyfriend obsessed ditz while Orion is a freaking teddy bear that flirts with everyone.
 
Parks_98 said:
WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
WAY HAY UP SHE RISES
EARLY IN THE MORNIN

I am so freaking hyped!!! Call it nostalgia but Okeanos is one of my favorite singularities.

Though I won't lie I can't wait for a part of Taylor's soul to die alongside Atalante seeing Artemis being a boyfriend obsessed ditz while Orion is a freaking teddy bear that flirts with everyone.
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Man, you have good taste in shanties. I mean, that's the only one I have downloaded.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyPuey-1Jw
 
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