Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

I also don't know if Taylor could qualify for a Beast, because she doesn't... really love humanity at all? She loves certain people, and she feels a sense of responsibility to step up and fight evil (or do evil, depending on the day), but it's never been because she's particularly compassionate or empathetic (or because she's so self-centred she thinks she's the only real person in the world, though that's closer to how she's behaved at certain points).
i mean, loving animals is enough to count as beast, cause humans are a type of animal, taylor loving brian would count, taylor loving the undersiders would count, loving her dad counts etc. being a beast has very vague qualifiers and it means taylor can almost certainly get in on a technicality at worst, and just be a straight-up fit at best.
 
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i mean, loving animals is enough to count as beast, cause humans are a type of animal, taylor loving brian would count, taylor loving the undersiders would count, loving her dad counts etc. being a beast has very vague qualifiers and it means taylor can almost certainly get in on a technicality at worst, and just be a straight-up fit at best.

I'm pretty sure it's 'love for humanity' as a whole as opposed to just love for specific members (Kiara excepted, and even then she loves humanity as a whole, she just doesn't perceive anyone but Kiara as a human), no? Even the whole 'loves animals' thing is about loving animals as a whole and humanity being included under that as we are, in fact, animals.
 
This spiel is out of character pretty badly I think. While her mom was a professor, this is a shockingly ignorant attitude for someone with her life experiences. The people that legitimately believe this understand exactly nothing about skilled trades, and this attitude mostly comes from incompetent public school teachers that live the "those that can't do, teach" slogan. This attitude has actually caused a massive problem in some developed countries where skilled trade costs are skyrocketing because people think "hurr dumb labor work is for peasants" and don't go into them. And dockworkers would likely be far more than just laborers.

I hope this is genuinely just a mistake of character and not author bleedthrough, because Taylor doesn't seem like the type to go off on "wage slave" ranting, let alone conflate corporate drone shit with blue collar work, when they're very different. That kind of ignorance typically comes from the spoiled upper class "savior of the working class" that has never lifted a hammer for an honest days' work in their life, and she comes from a poorer background than that.
"Boring, menial labor" should be exactly what it sounds like: unskilled labor. Anything that can't be automated but doesn't require much brain power. It very much is the sort of thing people always tell their kids they need to escape by getting an education, and there definitely are people who do that work anyways because they find it fulfilling and worth doing. You can bet the dockworkers she grew up around definitely had people like that among them, and those people especially would have had a harder time finding legitimate work when the shipping jobs dried up and the ferry shut down.

But you're also right that skilled labor also tends to be looked down upon by white collar folks and upper middle class. While not all trades will have skills applicable outside of the shipping industry, however, a plumber can be a plumber just about anywhere, and so can an electrician. I think that, given how much the DWU is indicated to be struggling with finding legitimate work, to the point where the members are starting to sign up as henchmen for the local supervillains, it's far more likely that these are mostly people who are generally considered unskilled laborers. Even if they're certified to operate a crane or a forklift or what have you, that's really not a skill that translates to work outside of the docks and the shipping industry.

I didn't want to get into particularly biting social commentary, however, so —
Yeah, the other thing that seemed off was Taylor's whole thing around slavery and so on; she's both fully and personally aware that slavery was literally still practised in the modern day of her world (including by people she worked for against people she cared about *cough*Coil*cough*) and was raised by a professor who was an extremist feminist activist and a Union guy. She's more likely to start spouting Marx as interpreted through second-and-third-wave feminism at people than downplay the wage slave thing.

I get why she's not rocking the boat as she's literally in the past and is in no position to fight against or change things, but that bit did feel very 'upper middle class kid who's literally never been exposed to anything about reality' as opposed to 'young woman who's been involved in law enforcement or supervillainy for most of her adult life'. Taylor knows full well that there are slaves in every country in the world, still, today. She's almost certainly busted people who traffic them. Hell, Mash is one.

She wouldn't be going in on weaksauce 'ooh wage slavery' when she'd have a solid education in actual communist/socialist/whatever and feminist theory from her parents, full knowledge of modern slavery, and when she literally works with someone that is functionally enslaved by Chaldea.
That section goes the way it does for a couple of reasons. One of them was that I didn't want to get too far off into a tangent about that stuff, but I did want her to throw in some narrative commentary about how even the world the twins live in, modern as it is, isn't as rosy as they think it is. Another is that I didn't want to get too political, so I tried to keep it down to something most of the readership could definitely agree on.

You're absolutely right that Taylor is about as far left as she can get. The editing team and I actually talked about that. But Wildbow tends to steer away from politics in his works, with the most biting commentary being about how systems created by men are inherently prone to corruption. Again, though, I didn't want to start a big political debate in the comments, so I tried not to touch too deeply on it. If the section suffered for it, well, I could try to fix it, but I'm not willing to touch it if I can't find a way to straddle that line without getting a citation for bringing in politics.
 
If the section suffered for it, well, I could try to fix it, but I'm not willing to touch it if I can't find a way to straddle that line without getting a citation for bringing in politics.

Sorry, maybe I didn't read the guidelines well, but does this mean we can't write deeply about politics in the story section of the site? Or is this about the readership you target in general?

That segment did seem a bit weird to me. Taylor's certainly on the leftist side of the spectrum, and I never read her as a girl who built a firm ideology for herself(I doubt she knows much about her mother's lectures, and her father is very down-to-earth) so it's fine she isn't dissecting Marx and co., but she always relates stuff to what happened to her and what she learned and saw, so maybe reminiscing about the ABB's farms, the Teeth's human trafficking, heck maybe how the CUI treated capes would have felt slightly more in character.

I did like that the twins have to confront that they can't right the wrongs in front of them. That seems something the game glosses too much over, besides Columbus, but he almost feels out of place with the other Evil Servants.

Honestly, what perplexed me the most was how Rome sanitary condition was treated. They had public latrines: "They (the upperclass) constructed them for the poor and the enslaved—but not because they took pity on the lower classes. They built these public toilets so they wouldn't have to walk knee-deep in excrement on the streets."

They weren't up to modern standards (ie the latrines stunk a lot and weren't cleaned often enough), but it was an effective service, connected to their sewer system, the Cloaca Massima, which threw all the waste in the Tiber so it was even worse, but the city shouldn't smell as much of shit, that's more Middle Ages stuff.

And yes, women wouldn't use those latrines and had their pots, but there were rules for that as well. The Romans had a strong government, like the fricking communists they are, with their red robes for their Emperor and their fascists fasci littori.
 
Hopefully they keep the slaves out of sight of Spartacus.

They... they really can't? Rome was a slave economy. Everything was slaves. Everything. Nero probably has hundreds of slaves just running her house. Julius Caesar enslaved half a million Gauls and Rome wanted more. Like, you can't really imagine just how many fucking slaves there were in Rome.
 
yeah we know, we're saying after amy made taylor a new lower body, she also fixed all the scars and such
it did feel a little strange to have that one big scar when most of the other ones I'd earned during my career had been erased when Panacea healed me after Scion cut me in half.
"Most". I would think difference in the rest can be noticeable for more observant people in the room - Alfie, for example.
 
They... they really can't? Rome was a slave economy. Everything was slaves. Everything. Nero probably has hundreds of slaves just running her house. Julius Caesar enslaved half a million Gauls and Rome wanted more. Like, you can't really imagine just how many fucking slaves there were in Rome.
Not to mention that he already saw the slave that greeted them when they arrived.
 
Fou's interactions with Taylor actually have me a little worried. Chaldea probably isn't ready to deal with IV, and I'm not sure the good influence from Mash and the Fujimaru twins is going to outweigh the bad influence from Taylor.

I also don't know if Taylor could qualify for a Beast, because she doesn't... really love humanity at all? She loves certain people, and she feels a sense of responsibility to step up and fight evil (or do evil, depending on the day), but it's never been because she's particularly compassionate or empathetic (or because she's so self-centred she thinks she's the only real person in the world, though that's closer to how she's behaved at certain points).

For me, it's a bit...split? She might be a Beast Candidate, because while we can't pin a conventional Love for Humanity for her, the qualification of Love for Humanity isn't actual love. The way it's laid out in the lore, each Beast wants to protect and guide Humanity to a future that the individual Beast views or perceives as the 'Best' future for Humanity. The reason they are threats is because each Beast has a twisted world view, and the future they believe is the one that suits Humanity the best is ultimately destructive and dangerous to Humanity and the planet as a whole.

That is the Love of Humanity that qualifies one to become a Beast Candidate. Which Taylor/Khepri fits into perfectly, because to protect and guide humanity, nothing was too much, no sacrifice too great, no line left uncrossed. Khepri metaphorically ripped God from Heaven and killed him on an Alter forged of Misery and Despair for the sake of humanity. If that isn't Beast Candidate I don't know what is.

That said, I think current Taylor isn't a Beast Candidate. Her mindset and motivations have changed. But if she started to drift back to the mindset that created Khepri, she might start becoming a Beast Candidate for real.

That all aside, as a Servant, I'm imagining Taylor has a real nice spot in the Anti-Hero part of the Throne of Heros. Probably near the top or even at the top of the Anti-Hero Pantheon.
 
"Most". I would think difference in the rest can be noticeable for more observant people in the room - Alfie, for example.
Despite her lifestyle, Taylor should actually have relatively few scars. I checked through for injuries that would actually leave scars a while back, and this was the list I ended up with:
  • Dog bite on arm from Bitch's dogs
  • Partially torn ear by Sophia
  • Wavy scar on cheek from where Sophia dug her fingernails in
  • Crossbow bolt to shoulder from Foil
  • Cut under right breast by Tohu
  • Scratch across her lips while Khepri (though there's no way to know if this scarred)
  • Arm burned off by Lung (with the note that Panacea did heal it, so I doubt it actually scarred)
  • Gunshots to head from Contessa
She may have picked more up during the timeskip, but if so, they weren't mentioned. And there's no way to be sure any of the early ones mentioned above have lasted. The combination of slashproof armor and good healing access served her well.

It's actually something she comments on during Crushed. Thanks to healers, capes are frequently restored to near-pristine condition after what would be crippling or horribly disfiguring injuries, and it encourages the sort of recklessness that sees them pushing those boundaries until they cross the thin line from "fixable" to "dead".
 
and this was the list I ended up with:
From top of my head: she also had burned legs
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I'd been wearing waterproof tights under my costume, and I cringed to think of the fact that I'd been wading in filthy water with the injuries exposed. I got the first aid kit I'd brought down from my room and found a pair of tweezers. Tatters of melted plastic from the leggings clung to the creases and edges of the burn. Slowly, carefully, I worked my way down, removing the black fragments, digging in where necessary. Every area I cleaned, I disinfected. The largest burn covered my right heel, the top of my foot, and half of my calf, but the toes were okay. The other marked the left ankle, heel and a patch small enough to cover with my hand on the shin. There was less damage, but there was more melted spandex crusting it. If I had second degree burns, it would be there.

To be fair, it's different set of legs.
 
From top of my head: she also had burned legs
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I'd been wearing waterproof tights under my costume, and I cringed to think of the fact that I'd been wading in filthy water with the injuries exposed. I got the first aid kit I'd brought down from my room and found a pair of tweezers. Tatters of melted plastic from the leggings clung to the creases and edges of the burn. Slowly, carefully, I worked my way down, removing the black fragments, digging in where necessary. Every area I cleaned, I disinfected. The largest burn covered my right heel, the top of my foot, and half of my calf, but the toes were okay. The other marked the left ankle, heel and a patch small enough to cover with my hand on the shin. There was less damage, but there was more melted spandex crusting it. If I had second degree burns, it would be there.

To be fair, it's different set of legs.
Oh, yes, I believe the list excluded everything that was explicitly healed or removed by the end. She may have had more scars (such as the burns) at intermediate points in the story.
 
"Oh," said Rika, sounding only faintly surprised but not scandalized. "So Rome does that kind of bathing."

"Bu… wha…"

My mouth refused to work properly.
*Points*
Ha! Ha!

This is absolute gold. Granted I'm kind of ignoring how Tay never seem to get rid of her negative body image stuff (I think)
"And even if they weren't, I have nothing to be ashamed of," Aífe said, and she really didn't. "This body is the body I earned through my own effort. Let them look on with envy at the results of my dedication."
I love that level of confidence and work to reach it myself
"Man, I really needed this. God, this is good."
Ya know I gotta wonder if Nero is ever going to ask "Wait.....are you Christians?"
Wait is Rock Lee in this!?
 
Hereafter Material: Connla [Heroic Spirit]
Connla [Heroic Spirit]
Son of Tragedy


The only son of the Irish hero Cúchulainn and the woman warrior Aífe, born of a promise made as tribute for a life spared. Before his conception, Cúchulainn bound his son with three geasa: that he cannot turn back after beginning his journey, that he cannot turn down any challenge, and that he cannot reveal his name to anyone.

As a result of these three restrictions, when father and son next met, the father slew the son in battle. Only as Connla lay dying did Cúchulainn recognize who it was he had slain.

Connla seldom appears in the Ulster Cycle of Celtic mythology. In fact, "Aided Óenfhir Aífe" (The Tragic Death of Aífe's Only Son) is the sole depiction of his life and his singular adventure as a hero. Naturally, this would mean that there is little for a Servant to be based upon and almost nothing which would qualify as a Noble Phantasm.

Because there is so little, the ill-fitting Assassin class is where Connla is inevitably summoned. Owing to the thumb ring that conceals his identity, his class, and his true skills and parameters, it is virtually impossible for him to manifest as any other kind of Servant, and this direct, frontline fighter must make do with a Saint Graph optimized for stealth.

Tragically, Connla died before he could truly make a name for himself. Both the life and legend of this seven-year-old boy were cut short.
 
Hereafter Material: Beast Taming [Skill]
Beast Taming [Skill]

A skill related to but distinct from Riding. The ability to take control of and command beasts that do not possess a human language.

Although there is no dialogue, somehow, understanding is reached, and one's will can be imposed upon even willful creatures that would not accept orders from a human.

Through various methods and means, the user of this skill can bring to heel beasts of all sorts, subordinating them to his commands. They will follow his orders as surely and completely as any human army. At the higher levels of this skill, even powerful magical beasts can be tamed, and commands will be obeyed even after he has died.

The relationship can change from method to method. With some methods, a bond of camaraderie is formed, creating a kind of friendship or kinship, and loyalty is all the more assured. With other methods, it becomes a matter of discipline and hierarchy, and the relationship is more akin to pack leader and subordinate, as is the case among numerous animal groups in the natural world. In its own way, a relationship solidified by dominance is all the stronger for it.

In the case of Lucius Tiberius, who brought under his banner "all the magical beasts of the continent," possessing this skill at the rank of EX naturally means that it is possible for him to tame any kind of beast he desires. It should even be possible for him to wrangle Divine Beasts that are not ordinarily tameable, although the level of effort required and the time needed would be far too costly during the course of an ordinary Grail War.

Incidentally, the one exception to this skill is the Dragon Kind. As dragons are an entirely different kind of beast than other phantasmals, a different kind of skill is necessary to tame them, and this skill is ineffectual.
 
These two were a bit overdue, so they're not exactly related to this chapter, but better now than to let them sit for who knows how long.
 
im just going to assume that the prostetic is enchanted to work on water and not have any problems from that
What do you mean? It's a Touko prosthetic. Once it's attached, it's indistinguishable from real human flesh. This is the woman who made backup puppet bodies so close to her real body that the World itself autoloads her into her next backup when her current one dies, just because it literally can't tell the difference.

When Taylor talks about her port aching, it's all psychosomatic. Just in her head.
 
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