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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Windborne said:
Very fun chapter, and it went down pretty much exactly how I figured it would, excepting that I thought we'd at least begin the fight against EMIYA, but ending here isn't bad either as it wasn't as bad a cliffhanger. Still really wish I could hibernate the week away with a flick of a mental switch though.

Question for you @James D. Fawkes, will Taylor be summoning her permanent Servant once they return to Chaldea after this Singularity or are you planning on doing it sometime else? Feel free to "RAFO" me if you feel you must, I'm merely curious.



2 years actually. She's 20. GM started late June 2013, just after she turned 18. The Grand Order started July 30th, 2015. So she's only 20, so still not legal to drink in the US. Not that she'd care about such things as petty as a law if she wanted to drink. Though she wouldn't drink if it was a bad time like when she was on a mission, and possibly never if her mother died to a drunk diver.
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I won't answer completely here, but I will say that I'm going to have some focus on the logistics of the situation Chaldea is in as we go. We're not going to be waiting until chapter fifty or whatever to get her long term Servant, but Chaldea has to think about their power consumption, so they won't just start summoning Servants as soon as Singularity F is done and dusted, and they won't be willing or able to support a large cabal of Servants immediately.

I will say that I'm about 10 chapters ahead of the public release, counting the first interlude (which will drop after the final chapter of Fuyuki), and the summoning has already happened. Fuyuki goes up to...Chapter 9, I do believe. Yes. 8 is "Sangraal" and 9 is "Grand Order." After that is Interlude OMA, and you'll get a peek at just why Taylor and Olga have the relationship they do.
 
The narrative convention that conveyed the uncertainty behind Taylor's thought process towards Caster's "illusion" was clever. One only realized what she had realized when she called it as such.
 
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Fair enough, and that's a good enough answer for me. Can't imagine it'll be long though, given that they'll be able to start stockpiling resources fairly quickly once they get to Orleans. Fuyuki sadly is a burning mess so no supplies there.

From what I can tell the big singularities don't go completely away after all is said and done, Chaldea can and does use them for tons of stuff afterwards from gathering stuff like food to the various Servant interludes and sometimes an event "Cough" Nero Fest "Cough". From my understanding they just aren't affecting Proper Human History after they're cleared, the events occurred (if you want to know more about that particular rabbit hole check out one of my later posts in March or April in the Essence thread), but they aren't anchored to the world texture anymore so they end up as some little pocket dimension or something like it. Able to be reached and devoid of most human life, but not all life. Plants, animals, and monsters still roam the singularities after it's been resolved so it's not pointless to go there. I don't remember if some of the early interludes had random humans in them, I think I remember some in Orleans like Medea's and Medusa's first ones, but I'm not 100% certain.


Edit: Here's the relevant part of the post I mentioned above for those interested in it, but too lazy to search through the Essence thread.

Windborne said:
Gilgamesh Caster informs the returning Mash and Ritsuka that they don't really understand what fixing the Singularities does for History.
Gil pretty much smashes the theory that Ritsuka and Mash had been operating on up to this point, which is that fixing a Singularity is a magical cure-all that restores people who died during it back to life.
In Reality that is absolutely not the case, the people who died in the singularities are still very much dead even after they fixed it (like the village in the mountains in Camelot or the crews on the ships in Okeanos). The only difference is that when every singularity is fixed that the memories of what caused those deaths will match events to fit people's normal, so no massive War in America between Lion-headed Inventors and Celts for example they'll have just died in the War of Independence. Needless to say that Mash and Ritsuka are horrified and nearly become despondent at that point before Gil says that even here in Bablyonia where thousands have already died and will stay dead they have made a massive difference just with their presence. He had predicted (with his Clairvoyance EX) that only 10 or so (some really small number) people would survive the end of the singularity, but now it's up to around 300 or so survivors and that is solely due to their efforts.
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My headcanon is that Ritsuka is secretly Ranma Saotome's child. They inherited their dad's curse, but in them it stabilized into an innate talent, activating at will instead of by the external water trigger. It also changes their clothes to be appropriate to their form.
 
Prester Fred said:
My headcanon is that Ritsuka is secretly Ranma Saotome's child. They inherited their dad's curse, but in them it stabilized into an innate talent, activating at will instead of by the external water trigger. It also changes their clothes to be appropriate to their form.
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As amusing as that would be, if Ritsuka was Ranma's kid they'd be a lot more badass and entirely capable of holding their own against lesser monsters like Wyverns or Chimeras. Ranma is the most skilled martial artist that I know of in all of Fiction, there's no chance in hell he wouldn't raise his kid to be as big a badass as he is. Everyone else is just not as skilled technically as Ranma. Though some might be vastly more powerful "Cough" Goku "Cough", they aren't as capable of adapting and creating martial arts and various techniques into a single cohesive style. He learned the Hiryu Shoten Ha after just seeing it performed a single time, the guy is a freaking monster when it comes to learning.

Fun idea though.
 
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Speaking of fun ideas given how well Taylor and Cu have hit it off I think Taylor summing her own pack of Cu's instead of a singular servant would be a pretty fun read.
 
Everyone's talking about Gilgamesh's reaction to Taylor... But what about the more imminent EMIYA reaction? Across his countless deployments, you mean to tell me that he's never seen a Taylor killing Scion? Sure, the event would be somewhat rare for him, but I highly doubt that he'd forget the birth of both a Beast (in this fic) and a Grand Servant (More a possibility, but highly likely.)
 
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Because it's most likely going to be completely unremarkable in this story. If Bet or any of it's connected alternatives while the Entities were alive in that particular multiversal tree had a connection to the Nasuverse there absolutely wouldn't have been an age of Parahumans. The Counter Force would've sent agents to prevent it. Yes in a true representation of multiversal mechanics EMIYA probably would have met a version of Taylor, in fact it definitely has occurred given the Fic Archer, but for the purposes of this story I doubt that's occurred. EMIYA doesn't have Clairvoyance EX like Solomon, Merlin or Gilgamesh nor does he have Sha Naqba Imuru like Gilgamesh. EMIYA is a highly versatile Servant, but he's an incredibly weak one when it comes to his legend. Gilgamesh calls him Faker for good reason.
 
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James D. Fawkes said:
"You're a little too young for me, Little Missy, don't worry. You're safe from this horny old guard dog."
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How old are they supposed to be? Because at least one version of his legend has Cu dying at seventeen and he did not live that long regardless.

Deviox said:
Everyone's talking about Gilgamesh's reaction to Taylor... But what about the more imminent EMIYA reaction? Across his countless deployments, you mean to tell me that he's never seen a Taylor killing Scion? Sure, the event would be somewhat rare for him, but I highly doubt that he'd forget the birth of both a Beast (in this fic) and a Grand Servant (More a possibility, but highly likely.)
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Based on how scion and the shards work even in a fate fusion there should really only be one of him and as Khepri Taylor was a step away from omniscience. If there was servants showing up after QA had her limiters broken they would have been noticed and depending on power interactions controlled.
 
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James D. Fawkes said:
In other words, he sounded a lot like me. Leveraging whatever advantage you had, attacking weak points, using tricks and traps to catch the enemy off guard — that was the sort of thing I had done, back when I had my powers. Harder to do now.
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Huh. Yeah in retrospect it's entirely possible that the reason that Taylor's earlier attempt at summoning a servant failed was not because she would be summoning herself, but because she would be summoning EMIYA and he's already in this singularity. Their early backstories are scarily similar, the major difference being how they ended up. One killing a godling and the other ultimately failing his life goal. Although even then they both ended up regretting the path the ultimately chose and would probably undo or do it differently given the chance.
 
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Cheaf Min said:
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I mean that's possible, but I think it's entirely unlikely and absolutely not what happened. Taylor was trying to summon via the FATE System (Chaldea) not the Greater Grail's System (Fuyuki). It shouldn't matter that EMIYA was in the singularity as it wouldn't bother checking a completely different system to make sure it didn't summon the same Servant. It's like having a brand new Mac and an older PC next to each other but not connected in any way and assuming that the new Mac would check the PC to make sure Firefox wasn't already installed when it tried to install it. Why would it care or even do that?
 
Nitramy said:
Honestly, I think the best fit for Taylor's Servant is Avenger Oda Nobunaga / Kippoushi / Demon King Nobunaga. They share many interesting parallels, and personality-wise also complement each other.
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Yeah, that could work, relationship-wise, but DK Nobu will implode Taylor like Herakles with a juice box the moment they are summoned, without Chaldea's reactors playing backup. Plus, DK Nobu is op, plz nerf.
 
Windborne said:
I mean that's possible, but I think it's entirely unlikely and absolutely not what happened. Taylor was trying to summon via the FATE System (Chaldea) not the Greater Grail's System (Fuyuki). It shouldn't matter that EMIYA was in the singularity as it wouldn't bother checking a completely different system to make sure it didn't summon the same Servant. It's like having a brand new Mac and an older PC next to each other but not connected in any way and assuming that the new Mac would check the PC to make sure Firefox wasn't already installed when it tried to install it. Why would it care or even do that?
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Well to use the same analogy, I thought it was more like both the Mac and the PC were tying to use the same IP address. Mostly I based that off the whole deal about whether a particular servant came from chaldea or not (particularly the china punch monk guy) from the latest eng GUDAGUDA event.

Although I guess it is GUDAGUDA, so it's a bit suspect, but that scene was taking itself simi-seriously.
 
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Fair enough, though if you're equating the Throne of Heroes to an online Database I'm still not sure that'd matter. I sadly have yet to read the latest GUDAGUDA event so I'm unfamiliar with what you're talking about. I need to catch up on past events still because of that damn text bug that persisted for months after LB2 released. Made reading the story a major pain in the ass. But yeah GUDAGUDA is not something to be taken super, super seriously.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
GSSR and King Hassan Rolls

Come watch me suffer.
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I suffered. Badly. Got Gramps without much trouble, but the GSSR gave me a third Raikou instead of anything I wanted (this, after the NY GSSR gave me NP3 Proto Arthur). Have been doing a bit better lately, so I spent a little on Ridervinci, then tossed the super generous Google Play gift card I got recently that I was thinking of saving for Summer 4 and Summer Musashi...

It was just like my Enkidu rolls. Did the math, 1133 SQ, no SSR Servants in there anywhere, and I got spooked by just about every SR Rider in the game. Plus Astraea, who dropped super casually after she gave me so much trouble during the Case Files banner.

So I decided, fuck it, I'm abandoning everything else, I'm gonna forget about Summer 3 Rerun, Summer 4, and every other banner between now and October. NP5 Spishtar is going to be my future proofing for Castoria.

That out of the way...

My uncle tried to pop a wheelie on one of his dirtbikes yesterday and apparently broke three vertebrae in the attempt. Because he thought he was a much younger man than he is, I guess. Fuck if I know.

I hope all the other Americans in the thread had a better Independence Day weekend than I did.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
I hope all the other Americans in the thread had a better Independence Day weekend than I did.
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I got a new job at GM.
I run a hydraulic hoist all day flipping and mounting tailgates on pickup truck bodies.
That's the extent of my good news, everything else was kinda shit. Including my truck blowing a brake line or two, almost putting me in the path of a speeding car (70mph in a 45. What a jackass. I don't care how late he was for work. We all live on a rural/residential road, and there are people, wild life, and farm equipment on our street) as I pulled out to head to work, and making me late for my first week because I had to call my entire Contacts list before my uncle was able to pick me up and get me to work. My mom borrowed 1100 dollars I'm probably never gonna get back. And the Code Enforcer has some strange 1-sided grudge with us and won't stop finding the most asinine reasons to write us citations.
Eh, at least we're all in the shit together. God bless 'Murika!
Edit: and the internet keeps going out!
 
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James D. Fawkes said:
I suffered. Badly. Got Gramps without much trouble, but the GSSR gave me a third Raikou instead of anything I wanted (this, after the NY GSSR gave me NP3 Proto Arthur). Have been doing a bit better lately, so I spent a little on Ridervinci, then tossed the super generous Google Play gift card I got recently that I was thinking of saving for Summer 4 and Summer Musashi...

It was just like my Enkidu rolls. Did the math, 1133 SQ, no SSR Servants in there anywhere, and I got spooked by just about every SR Rider in the game. Plus Astraea, who dropped super casually after she gave me so much trouble during the Case Files banner.

So I decided, fuck it, I'm abandoning everything else, I'm gonna forget about Summer 3 Rerun, Summer 4, and every other banner between now and October. NP5 Spishtar is going to be my future proofing for Castoria.

That out of the way...

My uncle tried to pop a wheelie on one of his dirtbikes yesterday and apparently broke three vertebrae in the attempt. Because he thought he was a much younger man than he is, I guess. Fuck if I know.

I hope all the other Americans in the thread had a better Independence Day weekend than I did.
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My condolences on your bad GSSR and extended roll luck. I somehow managed to get two copies of MHX on GSSR when I was hoping for...probably anything else TBH. And I threw 120 quartz at the Da Vinci banner under the rationale of, "sure I'll throw a roll her way, why not," and paid dearly for my hubris when I started hate pulling. The moral of the story is don't pull when you're getting pissed that your rolls are bad, because it just gets worse :V

The only really noteworthy and positive thing for all of this were a Zerklante spook and being one step closer to a MLB black grail.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
I suffered. Badly. Got Gramps without much trouble, but the GSSR gave me a third Raikou instead of anything I wanted (this, after the NY GSSR gave me NP3 Proto Arthur). Have been doing a bit better lately, so I spent a little on Ridervinci, then tossed the super generous Google Play gift card I got recently that I was thinking of saving for Summer 4 and Summer Musashi...
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FunkyEntropy said:
My condolences on your bad GSSR and extended roll luck. I somehow managed to get two copies of MHX on GSSR when I was hoping for...probably anything else TBH. And I threw 120 quartz at the Da Vinci banner under the rationale of, "sure I'll throw a roll her way, why not," and paid dearly for my hubris when I started hate pulling. The moral of the story is don't pull when you're getting pissed that your rolls are bad, because it just gets worse :V

The only really noteworthy and positive thing for all of this were a Zerklante spook and being one step closer to a MLB black grail.
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Managed my GSSR roll slightly better, but that may have just been because I had no real expectations going into it. Sure, I wouldn't have minded getting Beni-emma or Sigurd, but honestly a second Hokusai -- after, what? A year and a half stuck on NP1, and thus at the mercy of NP-draining enemies? -- isn't half-bad for a consolation prize.

Same shit luck for Da Vinci Lily, though. Got a shitton of SQ from the new Free Quest counter; not a single SSR rolled. About the only upside was that the 3 4-stars I did roll, netted me enough FPs by selling them to get a good start on NP5-ing the new 1/2-stars.
 
My GSSR roll was ugh. I got NP2 Eresh, who I've barely touched since the dawn of Skadi and my NP5 Parvati. Also got NP2 Gorgon which wasn't much better. Thanks roll.
 
I got a second arjuna alter turning it up to np2 with the gssr roll, then decided spend the rest on trying to get Gramps, didn't get him, but Got circe to np2, siegfried to np2, yang qin and then xiang yu, oh and got gorgon twice, up to np3, just in time for rank up, it was wack, i'm not used to getting this many.
 
Hope your uncle recovers fine.

i've been trying to think up what a Brockton bay singularity would be like and how much of a nightmarish fever dream it'd be for Taylor.

Or on the more cracky side of things; just imagine if Taylor summons Alexandria… or god forbid summons jack slash at some point.
 
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