Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

The way time and space are actually given a modicum of respect and you can actually take the rogue servants back with you are some of my favorite parts of this story because it's an attempt to make F/GO's lax worldbuilding actually make sense.

...But yeah, Septum will be an interesting one, we'll see if Nero still manages to get her Servant-self's character development beamed into her head (since that's the only way I can rationalize how that went).
 
Small question, does Taylor actually have access to her powers outside of a singular? or is it something that she can only use when rayshifting because it does weird things with the persons body/soul/spirit thingy.
Is it QA or just an emulated thing that acts like Taylors old powers?
Questions so many more......

Would QA be jealous of Taylors ravens?
 
I forget if it's been mentioned before, but yeah Emiya gets one look at that knife and is going to go WTF. He's going to at least know who made it and I'll bet the entities show through as well. Depending on what stories she told Shakespeare, those would also be in there.

So yeah, a Counter Guardian on the same side as with someone who is linked to an alien supercomputer.

Also, I fully expect servants ND the rest of Chaldea to be just a bit surprised when a human pulls out a C ranked noble phantasm. You know anyone who can do that is almost certainly someone who can be summoned!
 
Also, I fully expect servants ND the rest of Chaldea to be just a bit surprised when a human pulls out a C ranked noble phantasm. You know anyone who can do that is almost certainly someone who can be summoned!

Not quite Chaldea knows about it already cause they were there when it was asked of Shakespeare. In canon Apocrypha he made a sword a C rank np for Shiro though it only worked because the sword had been owned and used as a favoured sword by someone famous. In the knife's case the fame probably got substituted with being told the tales and feats done with it but considering they are going through history its nothing special really since they'll encounter a ton of stuff or have their own stuff go through so much they can also reach that level which may even make a good boost to the bikes.
 
I forget if it's been mentioned before, but yeah Emiya gets one look at that knife and is going to go WTF. He's going to at least know who made it and I'll bet the entities show through as well. Depending on what stories she told Shakespeare, those would also be in there.

So yeah, a Counter Guardian on the same side as with someone who is linked to an alien supercomputer.

Also, I fully expect servants ND the rest of Chaldea to be just a bit surprised when a human pulls out a C ranked noble phantasm. You know anyone who can do that is almost certainly someone who can be summoned!
That's very unlikely; closest Nasu equivalent would be like saying that if Emiya saw Gáe Bolg he would see the entire life of the Curruid, and then perhaps somehow saw the Earth's by proxy. It would be more likely that he would see the death of the Beast and the subsequent crafting of it followed by Cu's use of it perhaps, but not much else.

Not to forget that the Shard is merely a part of the processes used to create it. So the History of the Shard; even if we do assume that a singular Shard has the entire backstory of their Race saved rather then relevant fragments to it's purpose; would be irrelevant to the the Knife's own history. If anything I'd suspect it would be an oddity solely for it's technological difference compared to the norms of the time; but beyond that there's little reason to think there's anything more exotic ongoing to the Knife itself.
 
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Small question, does Taylor actually have access to her powers outside of a singular? or is it something that she can only use when rayshifting because it does weird things with the persons body/soul/spirit thingy.
Is it QA or just an emulated thing that acts like Taylors old powers?
Questions so many more......

Would QA be jealous of Taylors ravens?

Yes, but No.

Yes, Taylor still has her connection to QA even in Chaldea.

No, there are literally no bugs in Chaldea for QA to form even a single instance of multitasking, because Antarctica.

Yes, the training simulator is a deep dive video game, which simulates bugs that counts-as real enough for QA to control and reactivate Taylor's multitasking power.

No, the video game has to be turned off in order for Taylor to interact with the real world, deleting the bugs and disabling Taylor's power.

Yes, this singularity has an objective to teleport bug colonies back to Chaldea so that Taylor can have her powers back full-time, as well as provide biomass for healing Director Olga Marie Animusphere.
 
Not to forget that the Shard is merely a part of the processes used to create it. So the History of the Shard; even if we do assume that a singular Shard has the entire backstory of their Race saved rather then relevant fragments to it's purpose; would be irrelevant to the the Knife's own history.

I would figure he would at least get the history and processes used to create the thing, and then enhance it. Mybe not the details, but tinkertech alone is a big deal just because it's not magic. Combine that with at least the highlight of stories told. I figured it won't just be "enhanced based on stories," but would rather be enhanced from stories about Taylor doing X with it.

Even just Taylor having one is enough for him to know that she's destined for the throne of heroes. I mean his whole thing is to be able to re-create and use other's Noble Phantasms.

The hilarious part to me is that comment he made about Sigfired being lucky for being Taylor's servant. At least a bit he sees jut how alike they are. Which is a turnaround for the Harem protagonist! 😀

Speaking of, do we know what the special ability of this one is yet? Really sharp just doesn't seem to be enough. Even though all Taylor was after was enough to let her stab a servant personally.
 
I would figure he would at least get the history and processes used to create the thing, and then enhance it. Mybe not the details, but tinkertech alone is a big deal just because it's not magic. Combine that with at least the highlight of stories told. I figured it won't just be "enhanced based on stories," but would rather be enhanced from stories about Taylor doing X with it.

Even just Taylor having one is enough for him to know that she's destined for the throne of heroes. I mean his whole thing is to be able to re-create and use other's Noble Phantasms.

The hilarious part to me is that comment he made about Sigfired being lucky for being Taylor's servant. At least a bit he sees jut how alike they are. Which is a turnaround for the Harem protagonist! 😀

Speaking of, do we know what the special ability of this one is yet? Really sharp just doesn't seem to be enough. Even though all Taylor was after was enough to let her stab a servant personally.
Yeah that's a lot more reasonable; although I do disagree with the statement of her having a Noble Phantasm (even if an artificial one) with a story attached means she is bound for the Throne. At least in the capacity of "If we didn't know that Khepri (aka the final stage of Talyor's Parahuman life) is a Heroic Spirit", because the Knife isn't at all a guarantee of that. Hell it doesn't even have to be this Taylor, seeing as a Heroic Spirit could arise from countless other permutations of the same individual. But that still doesn't mean that 'you' (aka Taylor) that exists now in Chaldea is bound to the Throne as a result.

As it's entirely possible that Khepri alongside countless other Parahumans could be Phantoms; existences enough to be notable but for whatever reason not picked up by the Throne. After all while it is known that an untold number of Parahumans fell under Khepri's sway that doesn't mean many know it is Talyor, why they were suddenly controlled in the first place, and it certainly doesn't help that in Ward the trauma of that experience was enough for them to effectively deny her existence. So it could certainly be used as justification as to why she can't be established as a proper Heroic Spirit. Which isn't accounting for any shenanigans Shard-side in regard to recording|subsuming Talyor and how that might affect the process. Though considering the Moon Cell has it's own copy of the Throne...it's unlikely for a Shard to cause issues there of that nature, and more on the process of summoning.
 
I remember reading a few fics where certain family heirlooms (mostly weapons really) can become low level Nobel Phantasms over time. Was that at all canon?
 
Where the heck did you get that she required bugs to use the multitasking? I am legitimately curious as this is the first I remember ever seeing that.
The multitasking secondary power only applies to controlling and sensing through the swarm. Even then, it's imperfect: She explicitly has trouble parsing multiple conversations at once through her bugs during Cell, since she has to think about each with her human brain to figure out what was said.

She may have superior human multitasking just from long practice trying to focus on lots of things at once, but it's nothing supernatural.
 
I remember reading a few fics where certain family heirlooms (mostly weapons really) can become low level Nobel Phantasms over time. Was that at all canon?
Not...really? I mean, maybe, over a long enough time. That was Doctor Heartless' plan, after all. Worship from a single individual over the course of eons would be enough for a Heroic Spirit to be born — Ryuugi talks about this in his Gold thread. So family lore over the course of enough generations might be enough to create a "Noble Phantasm." On the other hand, canonically, any artifact old enough will gather significant mystery on its own, up until it breaks. That's some really old lore, though, because it's from KnK.
 
Yeah that's a lot more reasonable; although I do disagree with the statement of her having a Noble Phantasm (even if an artificial one) with a story attached means she is bound for the Throne. At least in the capacity of "If we didn't know that Khepri (aka the final stage of Talyor's Parahuman life) is a Heroic Spirit", because the Knife isn't at all a guarantee of that. Hell it doesn't even have to be this Taylor, seeing as a Heroic Spirit could arise from countless other permutations of the same individual. But that still doesn't mean that 'you' (aka Taylor) that exists now in Chaldea is bound to the Throne as a result.

As it's entirely possible that Khepri alongside countless other Parahumans could be Phantoms; existences enough to be notable but for whatever reason not picked up by the Throne. After all while it is known that an untold number of Parahumans fell under Khepri's sway that doesn't mean many know it is Talyor, why they were suddenly controlled in the first place, and it certainly doesn't help that in Ward the trauma of that experience was enough for them to effectively deny her existence. So it could certainly be used as justification as to why she can't be established as a proper Heroic Spirit. Which isn't accounting for any shenanigans Shard-side in regard to recording|subsuming Talyor and how that might affect the process. Though considering the Moon Cell has it's own copy of the Throne...it's unlikely for a Shard to cause issues there of that nature, and more on the process of summoning.

Based on how things work there should not be any alternates of Taylor. Additionally even if we take that bit of stupidity of Ward into account it would not actually matter. During the behemoth battle even if we overlook everything else that happened Taylor very publicly saved the lives of about a billion people, which is more than enough to qualify her for the throne. Also in regards to shards subsuming her I would guess it depends on a number of factors including the fact that with Scions death the Shards all effectively became mortal. The big question is just how long the shards can last once they run out of energy and have to hibernate, and whether there would be outside interference such as the human order trying to take them out or subsume them once they can no longer really defend themselves.

Speaking of, do we know what the special ability of this one is yet? Really sharp just doesn't seem to be enough. Even though all Taylor was after was enough to let her stab a servant personally.
There was the anti-dragon properties along with the mystery increase(although I think James is overestimating how powerful mystery is in and of itself). That being said given that this is a fate crossover I will be disappointed if by the end it can't shoot off a sword beam.


Also a thought but if they are going to be printing out bodies already it might make sense to see if they can do something similar for the servants. While it might not work and likely would not let them fight in them it would still be worthwhile in order to keep mana costs down in Chaldea.
 
Based on how things work there should not be any alternates of Taylor. Additionally even if we take that bit of stupidity of Ward into account it would not actually matter. During the behemoth battle even if we overlook everything else that happened Taylor very publicly saved the lives of about a billion people, which is more than enough to qualify her for the throne. Also in regards to shards subsuming her I would guess it depends on a number of factors including the fact that with Scions death the Shards all effectively became mortal. The big question is just how long the shards can last once they run out of energy and have to hibernate, and whether there would be outside interference such as the human order trying to take them out or subsume them once they can no longer really defend themselves.


There was the anti-dragon properties along with the mystery increase(although I think James is overestimating how powerful mystery is in and of itself). That being said given that this is a fate crossover I will be disappointed if by the end it can't shoot off a sword beam.


Also a thought but if they are going to be printing out bodies already it might make sense to see if they can do something similar for the servants. While it might not work and likely would not let them fight in them it would still be worthwhile in order to keep mana costs down in Chaldea.
In both Fate and Parahumans there are acknowledged alternate version of characters; one interlude in Ward does this from the POV of one Character; and the former has it as the concept of the Tree of Time which contains all variants of Human History; disregarding those that are culled due to the Timelocks. So yes, there are alternate versions of characters; including things like all the bad endings in Fate Stay/Night, or even multiple Servants are, and all the times Chaldea could be defeated (before Solomon) are indeed real somewhere. They are all valid possibilities and Heroic Spirits are explicitly every possible version of themselves, whereas a Servant is a very limited expression of that greater Record of X.

Shards were always mortal but I do get the point; considering they'd have generally about 300-ish years to operate on rather then a shared distribution. Though I'd suspect that the Human Order is currently still dealing with whatever protections the Space-Whales set up regarding the Cycle, and Shards aren't really defenseless creature in of themselves either...So not really an easy feat I'd imagine most likely akin to trying to blow up a mountain or small city. Though I meant subsumption in the sense of like a Foreigner, or perhaps alike to Artemis and Apollo, taking up a portion of the Saint Graph. Which is especially relevant in the case of Khepri.

And by publicly saved do you mean like given especially attention to in the eye of the public, or more that she participated in an event that saved countless people's lives? Granted I haven't read the entirety of Worm in some time, and know most of my information second hand, but another thing to consider (just as with guns made modern HS's rarer) would be how is a Parahuman treated? Is it rendered harder to become notable in a world where Parahumans are the norm? To be specific, is there any notable reason as to why Taylor, and Taylor specifically as an individual rather then Khepri, would be known in the public consciousness?

A thousand images of himself, viewed in a thousand different realities. Each self had made its own decisions, faced its own consequences, and found its own unique perspectives. One thing was near unanimous, however, and that was that when those versions of William Giles had their power, it was this power, and they fucking hated it.
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The shape of their reality, for one thing. As the golden man had made his descent, he had sorted out the universe, taking something infinitely branching and viewing it through a lens. The Bet reality, which had been William's before he'd left it for Gimel, was the point at the peak of the lens, the most 'forward', for lack of a better word. In the eighties, the golden man had arrived. Bet had cleaved off from Aleph.

'Bet' was, within the umbrella of the lens, a collection of realities, all of the derivative realities flowing from that point of cleaving, with the more far-flung being further away from 'his', harder to reach and see. Accessible, despite common opinion, but only for power interactions, not for actual travel. The golden man had been careful to limit that. Careful enough that even after his death and the ruin of his insane designs, that separation was inviolable.

When William used his power, he made use of the 'lens' and its construction. Earth Bet was a pool of William Gileses thirty years deep.

As a side effect, it made him just a little bit better at noticing other dimensional manipulation. A shockwave through existence, almost upsetting his hold he had on the broken ribs.

....whole universes of ruin- great golden beams that had cut through the lens, through the Earth Bet he knew and into the seemingly infinite Earths that were included in that package, that were used for predictions and simulations, for templates and data. It was too vast to comprehend, so people didn't bother comprehending. Nothing meaningful had changed since that point.
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He was aware of all of the faces of alternate William Gileses. The successes, the failures, the broken, the fearful, the triumphant. He couldn't really see their faces or make out details, any more than he could know the nuance of grains of sand on a beach… but he knew how diverse they were.

Otherwise, I don't think the Knife will be doing any Sword-beaming anytime soon. As I doubt Talyor has the mana stores to pull stuff like what Saber (aka King Arthur) could do. Which is in addition to the Knife not really being meant to project energy like that at all. And Mystery is a powerful factor to keep in mind, especially when you dealing with beings as old up to Babylonia. Granted those are very young demonic beasts rather then thousands upon thousands of years old, but it does definitely build up over the long term. Though I'll admit Mystery in of itself, if it is simply just Mystery, is not useful rather then Mystery of XYZ; meaning that it is reinforced against younger Mysteries, and that whatever properties it had before are gradually enhancing.
 
In both Fate and Parahumans there are acknowledged alternate version of characters; one interlude in Ward does this from the POV of one Character; and the former has it as the concept of the Tree of Time which contains all variants of Human History; disregarding those that are culled due to the Timelocks. So yes, there are alternate versions of characters; including things like all the bad endings in Fate Stay/Night, or even multiple Servants are, and all the times Chaldea could be defeated (before Solomon) are indeed real somewhere. They are all valid possibilities and Heroic Spirits are explicitly every possible version of themselves, whereas a Servant is a very limited expression of that greater Record of X.

Shards were always mortal but I do get the point; considering they'd have generally about 300-ish years to operate on rather then a shared distribution. Though I'd suspect that the Human Order is currently still dealing with whatever protections the Space-Whales set up regarding the Cycle, and Shards aren't really defenseless creature in of themselves either...So not really an easy feat I'd imagine most likely akin to trying to blow up a mountain or small city. Though I meant subsumption in the sense of like a Foreigner, or perhaps alike to Artemis and Apollo, taking up a portion of the Saint Graph. Which is especially relevant in the case of Khepri.

And by publicly saved do you mean like given especially attention to in the eye of the public, or more that she participated in an event that saved countless people's lives? Granted I haven't read the entirety of Worm in some time, and know most of my information second hand, but another thing to consider (just as with guns made modern HS's rarer) would be how is a Parahuman treated? Is it rendered harder to become notable in a world where Parahumans are the norm? To be specific, is there any notable reason as to why Taylor, and Taylor specifically as an individual rather then Khepri, would be known in the public consciousness?



I read that interlude but am kind of assuming that this is one of the cases of a shard spoofing things or things at least not being what they appear due to it not really matching up with everything else we know about parallel worlds in worm. After all even if we ignore that this goes against there being a finite number of universes there is only one Scion and a number of these worlds are not possible without scion being present among other issues. In regards to fate there is a wog that seems to indicate that not all of the fate timelines are true simultaneously in any case too.

By publicly saved I mean she is the only reason Phir Se did not vaporize India with his time bomb, and that whole battle was filmed from Taylor's perspective and later released.

Also do we have any real reason to believe that guns are really making heroic spirits rarer besides biased in universe sources? Because the whole thing about skill is just as valid with regards to spears and they have a whole class to themselves.
 
Also do we have any real reason to believe that guns are really making heroic spirits rarer besides biased in universe sources? Because the whole thing about skill is just as valid with regards to spears and they have a whole class to themselves.
Nasu stated it. His logic, iirc, It that guns made it much easier for your average person to do things that would previously have been considered extraordinary or impossible (i.e., felling many combatants on one's own).
 
Nasu stated it. His logic, iirc, It that guns made it much easier for your average person to do things that would previously have been considered extraordinary or impossible (i.e., felling many combatants on one's own).
In or out of universe? Because while it could be that he is just misinformed about things, unless you count machine guns or artillery if anything the opposite is the case with cavalry being capable of killing many more people far more easily than someone with a gun can.
 
In or out of universe? Because while it could be that he is just misinformed about things, unless you count machine guns or artillery if anything the opposite is the case with cavalry being capable of killing many more people far more easily than someone with a gun can.
If by Out Of Universe you mean what Nasu said as the author and not as a character in the story, then out of universe. To quote the answer that Nasu gave specifically in a material book:
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Q: If there are Heroic Spirits like Archer, who was summoned independent of time axis, is it possible for warriors from the future, who are loaded with modern weapons, to be summoned as Servants?

A: Although modern weapons are powerful, it is difficult for the users of modern weapons to be classified as Heroic Spirits. The advantage of modern weapons is "anyone can use them as long as they were trained", thus it is difficult for the user to become a Heroic Spirit, whose definition is "the one and only". The users of modern weapons are faceless heroes. If there are indeed heroes who are loaded with modern weapons, the users will not become Heroic Spirits, as they are merely "experts anyone can achieve through sufficient training". The actual Heroic Spirits being worshiped will be the "greatest weapon of that era". However, for the weapon to become a Heroic Spirit in this case, it must harbour a soul.
 
It's partly why I think that if Parahumans have become an wide-spread feature of a select branch of time. Then it does pose the question how and where does a Parahuman qualify as a Heroic Spirit? I could see a lot of the more streetlevel capes becoming localized temporary Phantoms or Wraiths, but I'd rank the Triumvirate as the ultimate candidates for the Throne. Though the hard part is determining how their assimilation as a Mystery; which may or may not be distinct from what a Parahuman is, into the Foundation of Humanity affects the process and the Throne by extension.
 
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It's partly why I think that if Parahumans have become an wide-spread feature of a select branch of time. Then it does pose the question how and where does a Parahuman qualify as a Heroic Spirit? I could see a lot of the more streetlevel capes becoming localized temporary Phantoms or Wraiths, but I'd rank the Triumvirate as the ultimate candidates for the Throne. Though the hard part is determining how their assimilation as a Mystery; which may or may not be distinct from what a Parahuman is, into the Foundation of Humanity affects the process and the Throne by extension.
I could also see the slaughter house nine being anti-hero heroric spirit candidates. I can also see the Undersiders being possible heroic spirits but like finding an actual catalyst to summon some of them might be impossible.....
 
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