I have already explained this quest is taking an XCOM like approach to the fight against the Pirates. I've explained that power armour helps bring characters who'd normally be picked off by snipers be brought up to par. I've had characters prove instrumental in fighting against enemies through unique means. Even when they're brought down against enemies that prove incredibly beyond most foes those foes are unique and explicitly the result of godlike aliens.

I do not appreciate this passive aggressive disruption, the fact you must make things up or badly misinterpret how things go. Nor do I appreciate how any legitimate criticism is overshadowed by the inconsistent arguments how even giving them equipment to fight on par isn't good enough. How they must slaughter every foe as they are, just like a verses debate said they should.

So I'm saying, no making a definitive statement as the GM:

Cut this disruption out. Now.
If that is how you see and desire it, I shall hold my peace.
One of the most important lessons a Writer and / or GM need to learn is the ability to tell fan's,readers, and players to go fuck off.

Good to see that here.
... And I absolutely disagree with that. Because that is being rude, disrespectful, and absolutely nothing like what IB just stated. You have no sense of manners, sir.
 
Serenity to accept honest criticism, courage to beat down the shitposters and flamers, and the wisdom to know the difference.

That old saying works for everything.
 
Taylor leads with forretress using the terrain trapping moves and explosion. Then she makes clever use of a ninjask named Escalation, vulcarona with whirlwind, a mega-heracross named Atlas, a vespiquen named BEEEEEES, and shuckle.
a vespiquen named BEEEEEES, and shuckle.
 
Vote Tally : Crossover - Sci-Fi - Hatchling Quest (Worm/Metroid) | Page 357 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X] Plan LIGHTNING CRAB Listen to the GM edition
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X]Shoot the Svarogs with charged Wave Beams.
--[X]Everyone else should do what they did before, but they should probably try to run if the Svarogs get too close and look like they can pass through the shield.
No. of Votes: 13
Plan: ◈LIGHTNING CRAB Listen to the GM edition

Captain Hunt
jgalue1
Mandabar
Massgamer
Night_stalker
nixter
russellmopar
slicedtoad
TriggerBlaze345
tyaty1
tygerbright
universalperson
Xero Key
[X] Plan LIGHTNING CRAB 2.5
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X]Shoot the Svarogs with charged Wave Beams.
---[X] Miss Militia, Armsmaster, Dragon: Do you have any EMP weapons?
No. of Votes: 5
Plan: ◈LIGHTNING CRAB 2.5

LokiTheDarkGod
SwiftRosenthal
The Stormbringer
wingnut2292
wolfzoid
[X] Plan LIGHTNING CRAB 2.0
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X]Shoot the Svarogs with charged Wave Beams.
No. of Votes: 3
Plan: ◈LIGHTNING CRAB 2.0

Always Late
LightMage
TheEyes
[X] Take a quick view of the battlefield with the Thermal Visor. If there are no invisible enemies, start with charged Wave Beam shots on the Svarogs' life support systems (using whichever visor those systems are easier to target with). Once they're all dead, open up on the mob of Wretches with your Spazer Beam, and use Seeker Missiles on Dazgbogs when your ammo is nearing full capacity. If ordered to not kill these creatures due to them not being pirates, spam CF missiles on the Dazgbogs and clusters of Wretches (if ordered to let the Svarogs live too, explain to this non-scan-data-access-having person that they are too tough to use the Paralyzer on and too short-lived to survive any other way).
[X] If you win this skirmish before reinforcements arrive, raise your concerns with Armsmaster over a private channel about all that not killing pirates the parahumans were doing.
No. of Votes: 1
Winged One
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X]Shoot the Svarogs with charged Wave Beams.
No. of Votes: 1
Manic Dogma
[X] Plan LIGHTNING CRAB 2.5
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X]Shoot the Svarogs with charged Wave Beams.
---[X] Miss Militia, Armsmaster, Dragon: Do you have any EMP weapons?
- [x] Loki Adjustments
-- [x] Make sure that Armsmaster and Dragon install something EMP in the next batch of power suits. Seriously.
No. of Votes: 1
Oubliette
[X] Plan LIGHTNING CRAB
-[X] Have Taylor use her crabs to beat up the mob of weaklings
--[X] Have Dauntless use his lightning bolt to hit the Svarogs to deactivate their life support before they can get close enough to us.
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈LIGHTNING CRAB

Total No. of Voters: 24

 
Of course the Metroidverse is currently overpowering the Wormverse - it's got Kardashev III tech and Worm has Kardashev 0.7 or 0.8. This is like a modern tank battalion with infinite supplies going up against the Babylonian Empire. Of course the primitive civilization gets stomped.

We've already seen what happens when that tech disparity is levelled out somewhat; Armsmaster is a fucking beast, comparable to Samus, now that he's got equivalent to Federation standard gear, and he's just a well trained adult male. Imagine what Vista and her space warping could do with a Federation suit.

Yeah, Bet is kind of fucked as things stand, but Bet was fucked anyway. At least if they survive the next year or so they should be able to recover.
 
You might want to delete that. IB didn't like it when people question the underlying logic behind the direction he's taking the quest, and got very emotional before declaring that that kind of 'versus debate' 'disruption' was no longer allowed.
As I've already politely asked, please stop with the passive aggressive sniping, and do not tell other players what they can and cannot post.
Didn't see that post. Scrolled back to find it.
Not sure if what I wrote would have fallen under that or not.
Deleting just to be safe.
Don't listen to him, post what you will.
 
As I've already politely asked, please stop with the passive aggressive sniping, and do not tell other players what they can and cannot post.
... so this:
lets take one enemy we've seen in the quest, and match it up against the Brockton Bay capes. It mostly comes down to one singular thing: Working together.
Quest enemy: Svarog.
Against Purity, she can handle it solo: Staying out of its pyrokinetic range while blasting away until it expires.
E88: Kaiser keeps spawning in domes and barriers of metal as the beast keeps attacking, making it get bogged down in molten metal and eventually suffocate, while Rune keeps Kaiser and any other E88 capes out of range. Fog, Fenja/Menja, Hookwolf, they're on mook duty.
For the Brockton Bay Protecotrate and Wards, to demonstrate the teamwork in a larger group: Vista warps space to keep the beast from coming closer and its heat away. Miss Militia hits the beast with containment/fire-suppressant* foam grenades/mortars. Colin's tweaked his Halberd to have some durability in the extreme heat and have an electrical charge, so Vista makes his swings connect at long range. Kind Win has made an electrical/Tesla gun that's more or less the same quality as his laser pistol, or breaks out his giant cannon.
Svarog: Beaten.

Taylor is on Command/Control with her bugs, keeping people appraised of the larger battlefield situation.
Aegis, Gallant, A&B, and others are attacking the mooks like Dazhog and Wretches.
is 'inconsistent', 'because versus debate says so' or whatever you didn't like about it and this not allowed, but his thing on the exact same topic and idea I presented above is allowed?

If you've got a problem with what I'm saying, just tell me why what I'm saying is wrong, what your problem is. Hell, I'd even take something as simple as pointing at whoever's apparently got it right via a requote.
If you've really got a personal problem with me, take it to a mod and let them sort out who's right and wrong, rather than get emotional over things.
I've got no beef with you, I've never had any issue with you before now, so I have no idea where you get this impression of me personally sniping you. I was being actually polite in warning him not to bring up a subject you said was no longer up for discussion and expressed great emotional frustration over it being a thing. You must not have seen his post, otherwise you wouldn't be taking this stance.
Look, there's no need for hostility and shutting down people's voices in any of this, lets discuss things civilly and work to understand each other here. OK?
 
is 'inconsistent', 'because versus debate says so' or whatever you didn't like about it and this not allowed, but his thing on the exact same topic and idea I presented above is allowed?
I didn't say your post was disallowed. As I said, it was misinterpreting what would happen due to a variety of factors I already established. The Verses debate comment was in response for people to take things from the grossly inaccurate Worm feat thread which is based on misconceptions and insanity and declare it canon.

If his post was so horrifically tearing into my portrayal of how I have everythings scale and the heroes needing power armour I would have responded to it on my own. Even if I would have to go "Get the fuck out of my thread."

If you've got a problem with what I'm saying, just tell me why what I'm saying is wrong, what your problem is. Hell, I'd even take something as simple as pointing at whoever's apparently got it right via a requote.
I had a problem with how you were describing that I got emotional and took it to mean something very negative. That's it. Nothing personal, just thought it was a snipe with how you described my reaction and the comments previously on how you thought I was portraying the heroes poorly. Because I have experience with people ordering the GM how they want the quest to run and assumed you were doing something like that unintentionally and wanted to stamp down on it.
If you've really got a personal problem with me, take it to a mod and let them sort out who's right and wrong, rather than get emotional over things.
I am not getting emotional, I think there's a bit of a miscommunication. I do not have a personal beef with someone unless they take the time to deliberately insult my work and my person. Apologies if it came across that way.
I've got no beef with you, I've never had any issue with you before now, so I have no idea where you get this impression of me personally sniping you. I was being actually polite in warning him not to bring up a subject you said was no longer up for discussion and expressed great emotional frustration over it being a thing. You must not have seen his post, otherwise you wouldn't be taking this stance.
Like I said, just let me handle it. Don't worry about it.
Look, there's no need for hostility and shutting down people's voices in any of this, lets discuss things civilly and work to understand each other here. OK?
I'm not shutting down anyone's voices, you can express whatever you want.

The only thing I get frustrated at is people making me repeat what I've had to explain before. But let me clear stuff up:

Do not listen to the stuff that's brought up by the Worm Feat thread crew. Half of it is blatantly misinterpreting feats from the very text they're quoting, the rest is well... blatantly people trying to overstate demonstrated abilities as impressive impossible feats or Wildbow's own rather inconsistent view of how things work, see literally everything to do with the E88 and their business model.

I know some people are unhappy with how the heroes need Metroid power armour to survive but they're just bog standard humans.

A Svarog? They can survive in molten magma or the vacuum of space, they don't even breathe. They can move fast enough that they could cross the distance between here and the warehouse that without armour the heroes would be flash-incinerated. Space Pirates are blurs, armored Goliaths that can backhand a man so hard they vanish into a cloud of red mist.


I don't understand why people have problems with armour that enhances the heroes abilities to let them compare, I really don't. I don't understand when I've explained the heroes need to train a bit to use the armour properly, and that I'm taking an XCOM like "Underdogs beat off an invasion" approach to the story. I don't understand people's issues when this has been the first fight, and so often the heroes have proven to be such an important help alongside Samus. From Samus's first encounter with the Svarog, to Taylor single handily saving the city to now when Mouse and Armsmaster fought off three Space Pirates each at once, even when neither of them have dealt with foes like Space Pirates before and were caught unawares.

If you have a problem that the heroes need power armour to match well, I ask you to remember how many of the heroes are actually bulletproof.

Look, I want the heroes to remain relevant. To fight alongside Samus against the Pirate hordes. But I'm not going to nerf everyone rather than putting in the effort to figure out how they can contribute. Even if it ultimately comes down to them needing armour to survive.

Especially when the Pirates decide to pull out the Preed's and Bombu.
 
I didn't say your post was disallowed.
Considering your post quoting me back then ended with you saying that 'disruption' indeed was disallowed, and included a very broad and non-engaging lamenting of things that lined up alot with what I'd previously said between the post you quoted and your post, can you understand why I thought you were responding to me... without engaging me?
As I said, it was misinterpreting what would happen due to a variety of factors I already established. The Verses debate comment was in response for people to take things from the grossly inaccurate Worm feat thread which is based on misconceptions and insanity and declare it canon.
Where is this Versus thread business coming from? I never mentioned it. I don't remember anyone else mentioning it, but I could be wrong.:confused:
I had a problem with how you were describing that I got emotional and took it to mean something very negative. That's it. Nothing personal, just thought it was a snipe with how you described my reaction and the comments previously on how you thought I was portraying the heroes poorly. Because I have experience with people ordering the GM how they want the quest to run and assumed you were doing something like that unintentionally and wanted to stamp down on it.
You say you were, and still are, 'frustrated'. It is, by definition, an emotion. Thus your posts made within the context of this whole... thing the two of us seem to have
I am not getting emotional, I think there's a bit of a miscommunication.
There seems to be alot of that between the two of us, unfortunately.
I do not have a personal beef with someone unless they take the time to deliberately insult my work and my person. Apologies if it came across that way.
*sigh* I'm sorry too. Sorry we had to go through all this. Well, hopefully we've gotten to the same page now, and we can put this spot of ugliness behind us.

The only thing I get frustrated at is people making me repeat what I've had to explain before.
How do you think Wildbow feels about Worm? :V
I know some people are unhappy with how the heroes need Metroid power armour to survive but they're just bog standard humans.
That was never my issue. There's a difference between, to overly simplify, attack and defense. Survivability and offensiveness. The heroes clearly need the armor to not die against the Metroid-universe's weaponry. But I feel that the heroes can, with their base powers, can still be effective against the opposition with some clever thinking and teamwork. You've done the former part most notably with Taylor and the Metroid wildlife, as I've said before. I merely wished to extend that to the other heroes. But if you think the heroes powers need boosting to remain relevant in the face of Metroid/Space Pirate weaponry, then that's the end of the Watsonian discussion. If people want to make Doylist arguments, that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish. One I'd rather not tackle right now, at 4:30 AM.
They can move fast enough that they could cross the distance between here and the warehouse that without armour the heroes would be flash-incinerated. Space Pirates are blurs, armored Goliaths that can backhand a man so hard they vanish into a cloud of red mist.
So that's a 'no, Vista can't just warp space so the Svarog's perpetually kept at a safe distance while the others plink away'?
Seriously, on the thing of 'misinterpreting things due to stuff I've already said', if I don't explicitly and exactly know what you're referring to, I, and the others in the thread, can't learn from that. We're not encyclopedias, we can't read your mind. We don't exactly have the best memory or attention spans. We don't know both the Worm and Metroid material, and how they interact for the purposes of this quest, like you do. Re-quoting what you or someone else has said is a low-effort way to point people back at the appropriate material. Maybe a WOG/Q&A compilation post would help, but its by no means 100% effective.
As a fellow QM, I understand your frustration. But reminders and explanations are simply something that comes with the Questing business. There'll always be That One Guy/Girl who misses something or everything.
I don't understand why people have problems with armour that enhances the heroes abilities to let them compare, I really don't.
See my above comments on not dying vs. taking SP's down.
Look, I want the heroes to remain relevant. To fight alongside Samus against the Pirate hordes. But I'm not going to nerf everyone rather than putting in the effort to figure out how they can contribute.
Same here, especially the 'figure out how they can contribute' part.
Even if it ultimately comes down to them needing armour to survive.

Especially when the Pirates decide to pull out the Preed's and Bombu.
... I got a long night of researching ahead of me, don't I?
Eh, I've got the college student's panacea: caffeine. :V
 
... I got a long night of researching ahead of me, don't I?
Eh, I've got the college student's panacea: caffeine. :V


This is a Preed, it releases a deadly gas that if Samus is caught in it it does damage equal to her being submerged in Lava. Admittedly, the gas doesn't get too far from the Preed.

However, unless the area has proper ventilation the Gas will fill the area and kill everything that enters the room.

Here, they're flying bioweapons, capable of gassing entire towns if used in large enough numbers.



This is a Bombu, an energy being. There are many variations of it. Some are invisible. Some shoot out lightning. Some just drop powerful explosives that can knock down your health fast.

They are extremely tough, taking incredibly powerful weaponry to destroy.

The common theme between a Preed and Bombu? They're simple Pirate pest control that they often fill hallways with.

Sure, both are easy to get around in game. But against normal people they'd be a nightmare, and the Pirates have no issues with using them in tremendous numbers.
 
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