Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

All one really needs to do, is question amd bring to light what happened in Harry's second year, and why NO ONE told their parents about it. There was something definitely going on to have not one scared child send a letter to their parents about what's happening.
 
Anytime you put Warlord Skitter in a tale not hers, canon rails just do the right thing; they go to Worm canon; because if Skitter is here, then there is a safer place to be.

Yes, even with Endbringers and Scion. They didn't kill Skitter, after all.
 
That of course, is offset by people actually accepting (coughFudgecough) that Lucius was under it for years without anyone knowing.
I'll be honest, I always read that whole thing as everyone was fully well aware that Lucius and co were lying when they claimed to be under the Imperius, but no-one could prove they were lying in a court of law and they were throwing enough bribes around that nobody really wanted to prove that they were lying anyway.

Like the whole way that situation is presented is as the Imperius claim being a blatantly obvious excuse, no-one ever implies that they actually believe it afaik.
 
"Will you, Severus, watch over my son, Draco, as he attempts to fulfill the Dark Lord's wishes?"

"I will," said Snape. A thin tongue of brilliant flame issued from the wand and wound its way around their hands like a red-hot wire.

"And will you, to the best of your ability, protect him from harm?"

"I will," said Snape. A second tongue of flame shot from the wand and interlinked with the first, making a fine, glowing chain.

"And, should it prove necessary . . . if it seems Draco will fail . . ." whispered Narcissa (Snape's hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away), "will you carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?"

Quoted direct from the book. Snape is bound by the vow to do what he can for Draco and kill Dumbles should it seem Draco is not up to the task.

The only real questions are how the vow and snape will react to various degrees of force directed at Draco and how he and Dumbledore will react to having their truly idiotic plot derailed.

Thanks. It's the last one that is really the issue. The previous ones are pretty easy to get around. As some others have said, there might be some wiggle room depending on Voldemort's orders, but its a lot more restrictive. Honestly I think Snape was an idiot to agree to the last one, the first two really covered what Narcissa needed, they should have just stopped there.
 
Depending on your interpretation of the binding promise magic, it could technically be her killing him anyway if he broke the oath…
 
Depending on your interpretation of the binding promise magic, it could technically be her killing him anyway if he broke the oath…

Probably still preferable to being killed by Bellatrix in person. Cause she sure as hell won't let you get off with a killing curse, she'd more likely ensure you either wish you were dead, before she finally allows you. Or that you can join the Longbottoms
 
Oh I'm going to love that, say how close is the spider nest to the castle? If her trigger is pushed hard enough could they fall into her range?
Taylor's greatest recorded range was like half a mile, maybe less. The edge of the forest may or may not be in range from the castle, but the spider nest is much further. Uncomfortably close for everyone not Taylor, but she would still have to hike a good way into the forest to find them.
 
Taylor's greatest recorded range was like half a mile, maybe less. The edge of the forest may or may not be in range from the castle, but the spider nest is much further. Uncomfortably close for everyone not Taylor, but she would still have to hike a good way into the forest to find them.
Hmm. Amy made Relay Bugs for Skitter (massively increased her control range) - maybe Hagrid could breed them for Taylor? :)
 
I mean, it's definitely both. We have plenty of evidence of both the former (why didn't the time turners ever come up again besides "neville knocked all of time travel off a shelf") and the later, (just for starters, the house elf thing, but if you need more, the casual vacancy is pretty vile, ideologically speaking)
Is 'casual vacancy' a typo (and if so, for what)? If not, I'm rather confused by what you mean.
 
Is 'casual vacancy' a typo (and if so, for what)? If not, I'm rather confused by what you mean.
Apparently. 'The Casual Vacancy', a JKR novel I'd never heard of. Spoiler: contains no obvious fantasy elements.

I'm... not clear why it's relevant to this story? Contains no Potter-verse. Also, assuming the views of characters in a story (particularly in another genre) are those of the author... may not be the wisest approach. Antagonists do tend to be required for many stories...

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And, the 'hero'/PoV, may be carefully chosen to show a viewpoint that isn't the author's. As always, YMMV.

(I'll leave others to speculate on why an author might do that...)
 
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Apparently. 'The Casual Vacancy', a JKR novel I'd never heard of. Spoiler: contains no obvious fantasy elements.

I'm... not clear why it's relevant to this story? Contains no Potter-verse. Also, assuming the views of characters in a story (particularly in another genre) are those of the author... may not be the wisest approach. Antagonists do tend to be required for many stories...
Yeah, skimming the wiki article and not having read the novel, I also can't figure out what it's supposed to say about JKR, but I'm not assuming that it's the antagonist that @sunsunsunsunsun is referring to.
 
Or just ask them under Veritaserum:
  1. Yes or no, have you used the Unforgivables?
  2. Yes or no, have you ever done so while not under the Imperius?
  3. Yes or no, would you still have done them if not under the Imperius?
This would absolutely work. If the goal was Truth and Justice.

If.

Hint: Truth and Justice was absolutely not the goal.
Like the whole way that situation is presented is as the Imperius claim being a blatantly obvious excuse, no-one ever implies that they actually believe it afaik.
Problem is, the Wizarding World seems to be slowly but surely sliding towards becoming a hive of scum and villainy. And the one good chance they had at doing something about it (the end of the last war), they decided that 'naaah, we like bribes too much, and a lot of us are actually sympathisers anyway'.

That's not even getting into the sheeple thing.
 
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This would absolutely work. If the goal was Truth and Justice.

If.

Hint: Truth and Justice was absolutely not the goal.
I'm... afraid I'd see it differently.

The Potter-verse is a fantasy setting, albeit one that is hidden in an IRL 1980s/1990s (etc.) world. What's one of the most common bits about fantasy? "There was a golden age." Frequently when all the best magic, spells and items, was created. The modern day is (just) using crumbs of 'ancient knowledge'.

An interesting bit about the Potter-verse? People may act as if the above is true, rely on 'ancient works of knowledge', but, there's people... doing new stuff, research. And the mundane world, which the traditionalists would love to ignore? Can't be, as that's where new magicals keep getting found.

The Potter-verse is a fantasy world of wonder, having a collision with the rapidly changing world of 20thC mundane Britain.

Humans, mundane or magical, don't like unexpected change. Even the innovators, they want a 'stable place to stand', while they make change. So, conservatism, "I want the stable world of my youth" (which, BTW, never existed - memory is funny like that).

So, "Don't rock the boat", "Things aren't perfect, but they could be a lot worse". The magical world isn't, particularly, corrupt, it's doing the "bury head in sand" bit, while hoping things aren't falling apart. Pity, they've been 'falling apart' for a century or three now...

Not a matter of 'Light' vs. 'Dark'. More Future Shock...

For, extra, extra, super, fun? This mess just got Skitter'd.
 
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I'm... afraid I'd see it differently.

The Potter-verse is a fantasy setting, albeit one that is hidden in an IRL 1980s/1990s (etc.) world. What's one of the most common bits about fantasy? "There was a golden age." Frequently when all the best magic, spells and items, was created. The modern day is (just) using crumbs of 'ancient knowledge'.

An interesting bit about the Potter-verse? People may act as if the above is true, rely on 'ancient works of knowledge', but, there's people... doing new stuff, research. And the mundane world, which the traditionalists would love to ignore? Can't be, as that's where new magicals keep getting found.

The Potter-verse is a fantasy world of wonder, having a collision with the rapidly changing world of 20thC mundane Britain.

Humans, mundane or magical, don't like unexpected change. Even the innovators, they want a 'stable place to stand', while they make change. So, conservatism, "I want the stable world of my youth" (which, BTW, never existed - memory is funny like that).

So, "Don't rock the boat", "Things aren't perfect, but they could be a lot worse". The magical world isn't, particularly, corrupt, it's doing the "bury head in sand" bit, while hoping things aren't falling apart. Pity, they've been 'falling apart' for a century or three now...

Not a matter of 'Light' vs. 'Dark'. More Future Shock...

For, extra, extra, super, fun? This mess just got Skitter'd.
Fair.

But it does indeed mean that "Truth and Justice" was not the goal of the Wizarding World. Stability was. But they failed even that. Because that "stability place" they remembered was actually a case of "everything falling slowly apart", as it "always had been".

The wizarding world absolutely does give "banana republic" vibes. People are sentenced to death on the spot, with no court nor judge involved whatsoever. Okay, soul death. That does not make it better. Mindwiping inconvenient witnesses is standard procedure. Lots of people are not protected by what little remains of the law. (Truebloods are... mostly... Halfbloods only sometimes... anyone else, human or not? Hah! As if. Minor slap on the wrist for "Muggle baiting" at most.)
 
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Fair.

But it does indeed mean that "Truth and Justice" was not the goal of the Wizarding World. Stability was. But they failed even that. Because that "stability place" they remembered was actually a case of "everything falling slowly apart", as it "always had been".
I could be wrong, but I'm inclined to believe the original Potter-verse was pretty 'simple', with very few physical locations, and little to no attention to the detail of magical society. Intended to be a 'place of wonder', with magical threats, that even 11-yr-old school kids, with no real adult assistance, could struggle against, and defeat.

This would fit the pattern of development of many works of fantasy, no 'grand design', no years of iterating over the story, finding the problems, seeing how they impacted the story universe, at best small-scale polishing. (*cough* Tolkein *cough*)

But, keep on writing in this story-verse? Obviously the author follows the bits that interest them, has far less concern for the annoying 'fiddly bits'. Hopes the momentum of the story caries the readers forward, that it all works well enough for them.

Also, tricky issues start appearing. How does the alt-history work? How does IRL history mostly fit with it? How old is magic, back to caveman times? (Yeah, plains-living likely shaped humans more.) So... Many... More...

The magical/mundane world collision is interesting. Both are powerful in different ways (done to death by fanfics). And, a thorough collision looks inevitable, RSN, so a 'children of the characters' story, not very credible. It's... not at all clear how magical society can survive. Leave the world? That's just a different 'death'.

Why? CCTV in Britain started in the 1960s, really got serious in the 1990s, then got mixed into the Internet, 2000s onwards. I'm pretty sure Obliviation doesn't mix well with this. Also, GCHQ, certainly after WW2 - if the (mundane) UK government doesn't have a careful watch on Magical Britain it'd be beyond surprising. And, given the IRA issues, The Troubles overlapping the Potter-verse time-line, we can suspect security forces were ready to use deadly force on 'magical terrorists'.

All of the above? Yes, the Worm-verse is 'circling the plughole'. But the Potter-verse is on the delicate edge of total collapse, and a massive change, RSN, looks pretty inevitable.

Taylor's going to find a way to live in this world? Help make it somewhere she's happy to get older in? She's going to need to bring all the Escalation she's reputed to have, to bear...
 
"I want the stable world of my youth" (which, BTW, never existed - memory is funny like that).
My youth was the 90's and 00's. :lol: Stable the world was not. Mentally scanning the past three hundred years, one decade at a time... "We didn't start the fire; it was always burning since the world was turning".

Also, GCHQ, certainly after WW2 - if the (mundane) UK government doesn't have a careful watch on Magical Britain it'd be beyond surprising.
Doubly so given that one scene where we learn that the Ministry of Magic privately informs incoming Prime Ministers that they exist, but it's magic (which is known to not exist) and you don't have any proof, no one will ever believe you. Yeah, no, the intelligence ministries got told to find and monitor these people a long time ago, independent of any accidental discovery or muggleborns working for the government.

Incidentally, the iPhone debuted in 2008, and within a couple of years there were a billion of the things. So that puts a hard maximum on the Masquerade's longevity.
 
Camera phones predated those by years BTW. Initially as plug-in upgrades they were fully integrated into most handsets by '05 and you almost couldn't find one without a camera by the time the iPhone launched. A classmate at university had a camera that plugged into her Motorola back in 2002 if I remember correctly.
 
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I've always been something of a weirdo, I think. I was born in 1964, and all my memories of 'halcyon days' involve PEOPLE, not settings. People like my late best friend, whose 60th birthday would have been yesterday (2/6, for those reading in the future), the girls I knew that I was friends with (had an unusually large number of female friends), and the groups i hung out with. The world itself? I could see the turmoil going on, and for some reason had an unusually adult POV regarding events of the 1960s and early 1970s. i listened to songs like The Pina Colada Song and knew - at 12 - that it was a doomed relationship.

I strongly suspect that I'd be a major outlier within the Rowling Wizarding World.
 
I'll be honest, I always read that whole thing as everyone was fully well aware that Lucius and co were lying when they claimed to be under the Imperius, but no-one could prove they were lying in a court of law and they were throwing enough bribes around that nobody really wanted to prove that they were lying anyway.

Like the whole way that situation is presented is as the Imperius claim being a blatantly obvious excuse, no-one ever implies that they actually believe it afaik.

I agree with the above.

However...

It also assumes people care about truth, look at what Lucius and company are claiming, and consider it an untruth.

There are lots and lots of examples both in Canon (Umbridge's attacks on Harry because he's contradicted Fudge) and real-world ( U.S. Congresswoman Elise Stefanik referring to people convicted of attacking the U.S. Capitol as "hostages") where people do not care about true or false. They care about what someone powerful is saying and support it because the powerful person said it. You can have someone in power lie more often than they speak truth and their supporters will happily embrace the lies and repeat them, because it demonstrates their loyalty.

Umbridge, in particular, is something I think Rowling got entirely right.
 
Incidentally, the iPhone debuted in 2008, and within a couple of years there were a billion of the things. So that puts a hard maximum on the Masquerade's longevity.
Bit offtopic, but people here are very level headed compared to most places: are there any "next generation" fics that deal advancement of digital age in muggle world and increasing cultural gap in Hogwarts (Bros, i can't chat with you over net, i go to a boarding school)?

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I wonder if you can use Vanishing cabinet to lay cables make internet cafe just outside of Hog's Mead? I bet first muggleborn to think of it would make major bank.
 
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Bit offtopic, but people here are very level headed compared to most places: are there any "next generation" fics that deal advancement of digital age in muggle world and increasing cultural gap in Hogwarts (Bros, i can't chat with you over net, i go to a boarding school)?
The very end of Annals of Arithmancy has an arc on the (global) Wizarding world preparing to take down the statue of secrecy after it is demonstrated that it's not possible to maintain, but it cuts off at the reveal, and I honestly can't recommend slogging through the entire trilogy just for that. Some of the later year stuff is pretty decent, but it takes a *lot* of basically canon rehash to get there. As much as I appreciate White Squirrel as a writer, they are far too prone to "event happened exactly as canon, and then a couple paragraphs of characters who weren't there originally reacting without interfering at all."
 
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