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I have this hilarious image of Snape trying to protect Draco from Emotional Harm.
Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse
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I have this hilarious image of Snape trying to protect Draco from Emotional Harm.
What if it actually is subtle, but Ron is just so completely unable to be subtle as a person that's actually how he would act? XD
And I could see Fred and George making deliberately unsubtle potions as a prank. Then you get to prank both parties!
(Note, this isn't actually a serious argument, this is joking)
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That could just be a sampling bias. As in no one found out about the subtle love potions. Perhaps all you need is a weaker one that encourages things without making you obsessive.
I think the important thing here is likely for both charms/curses and potions both powerful and subtle effects are possible. But teenage students(or near squibs) are unlikely to be able to do them.
Although the worldbuilding is a bit wierd here as it treats killing extremely seriously. More serious than real life I think. But magic that messes with the mind such as removing memories or love potions are treated as not even crimes. Likely J K Rowling not thinking things through I am guessing or she just has a very weird sense of ethics.
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I've always figured that it was either teenage stupidity and lack of consideration of the true consequences of their actions (because teenagers), or the 'love potions' just made people act as if there was a veela around -- AKA like Ron and Fleur in 4th year (my preferred interpretation).
Hmm, this wording I think is the only way out and depends on Voldemort's exact wording in his order to Draco, if there's any other orders he gave to Draco that could be interpreted this order in the vow instead, what the expiration date/deadline on the vow is (if there even is one), and if the magic of the Vow allows for technical loopholes like these or if the intent is more important than the wording.
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Stahor
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Consider that Hogwarts puts 16-17-18 year olds of both genders in proximity for extended period of time.
Shall we say, logical conclusions, of that arrangement are not shown, due to genre of the book(s). Even if we take state of the England at that period in consideration.
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I like to think Skitter will stop Snape mid-way through killing Dumbledore with a swarm of hornets and will be extremely frustrated when both Snape and Dumbledore die shortly after.
"THEY COULD HAVE TOLD ME NOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE! HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE OBVIOUS TRAITOR WAS ACTUALLY A TRIPLE AGENT?"
Honestly, I'm surprised that Fred and George even put those up for sale. After all, I can think of a fair few ways that Love Potion could be used to steal a Family's wealth/Inheritance, and logically that sort of thing would be heavily controlled, if not outright illegal.
I find this kind of 'logic' exasperating. "Let's assemble elaborate models of the world based on fractions of the text, and when they conflict with the rest of the text conclude that the problem is the text, not the model."
We know that Vela being around and love potions are not heavily controlled or (at least substantively) illegal. We can make inferences from that. We don't know that the Wizarding World has a huge complex about fortifying the walls of "Family" rights and properties.
Okay maybe I'm also exasperated by the whole pure blood inheritance and power fanon cluster a bit. I mean, it's perfectly fine for storybuilding if that's where an author wants to go. But it's not something that everyone using or discussing the HP setting needs to treat as fact.
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Which is why Amortentia is considered a dangerous substance and is studied by the Unspeakables in the Love room at the Ministry.
Normal ones last 24 hours-ish though.
And there are such things as Hate potions that they're used to counter act. Though a Hate potion apparently isn't the usual antidote to a Love potion.
There's also different types. The ones Ron ate made him dreamy and dopey. Pining after Romelda and asking to be introduced. It didn't set him off like some beast.
Different levels of potions to spice up a relationship. Wizards are weird af. Besides, Polyjuice is a literal thing and waaaaay more dangerous than Love potions for stealing from another family.
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I mean, it's definitely both. We have plenty of evidence of both the former (why didn't the time turners ever come up again besides "neville knocked all of time travel off a shelf") and the later, (just for starters, the house elf thing, but if you need more, the casual vacancy is pretty vile, ideologically speaking)
Inheritance has nothing to do with purebloods; it has to do with something important to the family in question, lands or money being the most common.
If X family has substantial holding of any kind, they take precautions to insure that those holdings stay in the family. My own Great grandfather made it a requirement in his will that whoever got the family ranch A. Could only sell it to a non family member after every member of the family had refused it and B. Whomever had the ranch had to have the same two clauses in their will.
In the wizard world, I'd assume they have similar things, and have to take precautions against inheritance theft.
If X family has substantial holding of any kind, they take precautions to insure that those holdings stay in the family. My own Great grandfather made it a requirement in his will that whoever got the family ranch A. Could only sell it to a non family member after every member of the family had refused it and B. Whomever had the ranch had to have the same two clauses in their will.
In the wizard world, I'd assume they have similar things, and have to take precautions against inheritance theft.
Similar things to legal entailments like that? Probably, yeah, though one could question whether Sirius Black would even have inherited in that case.
But that's not what was claimed at all.
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I'd like to point out Love Potions get stronger if left to mature, and this is one Harry decided to go, "No, fuck that shit," and being dosed with it and then forgot about it. So it could have been more subtle if it hadn't strengthened with age.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that your great-grandfather's requirement B is illegal in most every state in the union these days, Ravenwood240 - it feels a bit off, and my wife used to work for a contract lawyer - specifically wills and divorce cases. Not sure it's illegal, but I think it is.
And as an aside - Fencer hasn't said anything about it yet, but this conversation is starting to feel a little bit like a derail. Just sayin' ...
And as an aside - Fencer hasn't said anything about it yet, but this conversation is starting to feel a little bit like a derail. Just sayin' ...
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Regarding why Voldemort doesn't just Imperious-chain everyone, I really think it's silly to present that as a flaw, as there are a million reasons why, some of which are even in the books! We see people on it aren't entirely lucid--and whatever else the Unforgivables are tricky bits of magic, and it requires pretty consistent maintenance (Crouch in Book 4), so who knows how well trying to do it to multiple people constantly would work out.
Like in general, I'm wary of "I spent 10 seconds thinking and found an obvious hack that lets me TAKE OVER THE WORLD," being played straight since that way lies really shitty Isekai protags with their braindead cheats that apparently no one ever in existence ever came up with.
Like in general, I'm wary of "I spent 10 seconds thinking and found an obvious hack that lets me TAKE OVER THE WORLD," being played straight since that way lies really shitty Isekai protags with their braindead cheats that apparently no one ever in existence ever came up with.
The biggest problem with that curse for me, comes from Harry seeing Viktor under it in the maze, and being able to tell he was bespelled; I don't recall without checking the wording if he knew what spell, but he knew by looking at him that something was wrong. I believe it was something in his eyes.
They barely knew each other, had few interactions, but Harry could still tell.
So, long term use seems like a way to get caught quickly, as your family and co workers should know you well enough to tell something is wrong.
That of course, is offset by people actually accepting (coughFudgecough) that Lucius was under it for years without anyone knowing.
Insufficient data that is Canon to determine the truth.
They barely knew each other, had few interactions, but Harry could still tell.
So, long term use seems like a way to get caught quickly, as your family and co workers should know you well enough to tell something is wrong.
That of course, is offset by people actually accepting (coughFudgecough) that Lucius was under it for years without anyone knowing.
Insufficient data that is Canon to determine the truth.
@mp3.1415player has a few of these as one or two chapter crack-fics and they are hilarious. Like Harry being a parcelmouth so they use his ability to deliver nail bombs to all the known death eaters.
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Oh I'm going to love that, say how close is the spider nest to the castle? If her trigger is pushed hard enough could they fall into her range?
The problem is that too many of a rather small population had actually been cursed with it, otherwise common sense would have it to let all those claiming Imperius be declared mentally unfit for any position in government (granted, I think practically everyone in magical Britain was susceptible).
Or just ask them under Veritaserum:
- Yes or no, have you used the Unforgivables?
- Yes or no, have you ever done so while not under the Imperius?
- Yes or no, would you still have done them if not under the Imperius?
| Question 1 | Question 2 | Question 3 | Result |
| Yes | Yes | Not asked, given that they already answered they did so while not under the Imperius | Chuck 'em through the Veil for being lying liars who lie |
| Yes | No | No | Same questions about the specific crimes they were accused off |
| Yes | No | Yes | Chuck 'em in Azkaban for life |
| No | Not asked, given that obviously this is also a no | Not asked in this case | Same questions about the specific crimes they were accused off |
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Supplemental note on the family privilege thing: in this particular Potterverse, we know for a fact that an important heir can be drunkenly pressured into a magically binding Vegas wedding. I can imagine loopholes (normally, after all, the heir wouldn't be the head of their house and a minor and all that) but that's not exactly a sign that everything is tightly nailed down to ensure no sketchy games with affections and inheritances.
Presumably this part could be fulfilled by Snape carrying out any deed Draco can't manage that Voldy ordered him to do. Like fixing that Vanishing Cabinet. If Draco couldn't do that, Snape could fix it and 'carry out the deed that the Dark Lord ordered Draco to perform' which was 'find a way to let my Death Eaters into the castle'. Granted, I'm not sure Magic would be happy with a literal wording reading like that considering that it seemingly runs on conceptual BS a lot of the time, but it COULD potentially work like that.
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I think ya'll are missing the forest for the trees here. Snape is dead because he's compelled to help Draco compromise Hogwarts, which (aside from the endangerment of students) will not earn him any favors from Taylor. Her range will probably cover the entire castle (if only due to space-warping shenanigans) so hiding this from her won't be in the cards. Anyone that Taylor ID's as being a potential threat is going to be watched, anyone who actually becomes a threat will probably just disappear without a trace. This is late-game Warlord Skitter, she's got a bodycount and she earned it to protect a child - she'll earn a higher one to protect an entire schools worth of kids too.
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Might Taylor decide... to get political? She learned a bit about this in the Bay... Bypassing Dumbledore, maybe setting the Aurors to ask.... questions about the school that Dumbledore doesn't want outside-school magicals looking into? Dumbledore looks to be on his last strike with Taylor, and if she decides he's no utility, and that things need a major shake-up...
Rails? This plot-train hasn't seen any rails for the last hundred miles!
Rails? This plot-train hasn't seen any rails for the last hundred miles!